Can you love the United States America but hate the Trump administration and its policies? (2 Viewers)

[Juin]

On another forum years ago one of the mods was adamamt we were tribes, defined by geography. I swear this was his bible:

https://a.co/d/2ArJHc4

Lol. Well, there is merits to the argument. E pluribus unum does appear to concede some to that viewpoint

 

[jaypatriot]

It is so funny that @Gardener , @Mycroft and @jaypatriot all confused "hate Trump" and "hate the Trump administration" and then refused to vote.

I refused to vote because the choices were too constricting.

 

[jaypatriot]

So did you vote?

NO. The choices were too constricting.
Not worth voting on.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Lol. Well, there is merits to the argument. E pluribus unum does appear to concede some to that viewpoint

I know when I've gone to the Deep South it feels like a different nation than home. Some of it for the good, like Southern manners and hospiality. A much more polite society in my experience, at least one on one.

 

[Juin]

NO. The choices were too constricting.
Not worth voting on.

I didn't vote as well because my love is not conditional in the first place. But I do not see how that should be an issue. It's not like I did not vote in the de facto sense of the word. I voted not to vote. It was a deliberate, conscious choice

 

[Hatuey]

I have a license to bitch about anything on this cite.
I comes with my membership.
I don't know what a "bad time" means when it comes to wanting to see more logical choice in a poll.

I refused to vote because the choices were too constricting.

NO. The choices were too constricting.
Not worth voting on.

Didn't I tell you this would be a hard question for you to answer and thus it would make you uncomfortable? I am pretty sure I did. Yep, I sure did :

Hatuey here with another hard hitting question to make some people uncomfortable enough to show up just to tell me they don't like the question.

The bitching doesn't make you less predictable.

 

[noonereal]

One loves it as it is. The good is indivisible from the bad

If you have cancer you cut it.
It is very divisible.

 

[jaypatriot]

The philosophy of conservatism ante-Trump was based on a BS romance novelists theories of worshiping money? Trumpists have embraced superiority of celebrity and the usefulness of divisiveness. It is part and parcel of the Trump movement. Trying state otherwise is just non-sensical. Trump openly admits this.

So you're saying he's an egotist and narcissist who enjoys being a billionaire. What else is new?
He also enjoys, like so many other politicians, knowing how to go after certain classes and demographics in order to win elections. When has that never been the case?

 

[jaypatriot]

Didn't I tell you this would be a hard question for you to answer and thus it would make you uncomfortable? I am pretty sure I did. Yep, I sure did :



The bitching doesn't make you less predictable.

It's OK that I am predictable. If I was mercurial and capricious like Trump there would be more people avoiding me than there already are.
And I still believe the poll was limiting in its choices.
It's a good thing my political future does not depend on answering leading questions.

 

[Hatuey]

It's OK that I am predictable. If I was mercurial and capricious like Trump there would be more people avoiding me than there already are.
And I still believe the poll was limiting in its choices.
It's a good thing my political future does not depend on answering leading questions.

You have no political future man, you are a guy who was made uncomfortable by a question and decided to bitch about it, as expected.

 

[Gardener]

Which begs the question: is America a whole or tribes?

I would like to pretend it is still a whole.

Identity politics has regressed us back to tribes.

 

[noonereal]

They are people to “be loved and won over.”

They can't be won. They have given away their free will for the words of the cult leader.

I have posted many times the neuroscience of this so if you have interest do a search.

Point is, these people can't be won.

 

[Juin]

I would like to pretend it is still a whole.

Identity politics has regressed us back to tribes.

I definetely love the whole: warts and all

 

[smb3802]

So you're saying he's an egotist and narcissist who enjoys being a billionaire. What else is new?
He also enjoys, like so many other politicians, knowing how to go after certain classes and demographics in order to win elections. When has that never been the case?

To suggest that is smart to inflame hatred in order to get elected…no wonder you are Trumpist.
To suggest that is ok for a person to use their celebrity and money to get away with things that others are head accountable…no wonder you are Trumpist.
If you suggest that him being able troll certain people is a positive form of leadership…no wonder you are a Trumpist.

You have summed up the pathetic nature of the Trumpist movement. Good self-own.

 

[noonereal]

It's OK that I am predictable. If I was mercurial and capricious like Trump there would be more people avoiding me than there already are.
And I still believe the poll was limiting in its choices.
It's a good thing my political future does not depend on answering leading questions.

Ask any question at all of the American people and Trump, ever with his negative numbers beats people or Congress as to who has the answers.

 

[Juin]

If you have cancer you cut it.
It is very divisible.

And who is the cancer in this case? What we have here is everyone declaring it is the other the cancer

 

[noonereal]

And who is the cancer in this case? What we have here is everyone declaring it is the other the cancer

Critical thinking makes clear where the cancer lies.

 

[jaypatriot]

Ask any question at all of the American people and Trump, ever with his negative numbers beats people or Congress as to who has the answers.

I read your post three time and still don't understand it.
Maybe I should take a remedial reading course for those trying to interpret Leftist arguments.

 

[noonereal]

I read your post three time and still don't understand it.
Maybe I should take a remedial reading course for those trying to interpret Leftist arguments.

Most polls ask do you think Trump is doing well. These all show Trump tanking.
When you ask the same people if they favor Trump or the Dems on specific issues, Trump always wins. By a lot

 

[jaypatriot]

To suggest that is smart to inflame hatred in order to get elected…no wonder you are Trumpist.
To suggest that is ok for a person to use their celebrity and money to get away with things that others are head accountable…no wonder you are Trumpist.
If you suggest that him being able troll certain people is a positive form of leadership…no wonder you are a Trumpist.

You have summed up the pathetic nature of the Trumpist movement. Good self-own.

I see how you can attack Trump's personality flaws in order to suggest he is going to fail. And if he succeeds then what will you write? That he didn't do things the way you wanted him to do?
No wonder you vilify people like Trump and Musk. They "get away with things that others are held accountable."
Maybe like OJ Simpson getting away with killing two innocent people because he was a celebrity and had some of the best lawyers?

 

[jaypatriot]

Most polls ask do you think Trump is doing well. These all show Trump tanking.
When you ask the same people if they favor Trump or the Dems on specific issues, Trump always wins. By a lot

And your point is? Are the right questions being asked?
Or are the wrong people being polled?

 

[jaypatriot]

You have no political future man, you are a guy who was made uncomfortable by a question and decided to bitch about it, as expected.

I am so glad I never got into politics and had to please people I truly disliked. Some of whom are visible in this thread.

 

[Hatuey]

I am so glad I never got into politics and had to please people I truly disliked. Some of whom are visible in this thread.

Nobody here asked you to please them.

 

[Gardener]

They can't be won. They have given away their free will for the words of the cult leader.

I have posted many times the neuroscience of this so if you have interest do a search.

Point is, these people can't be won.

It's so of cute watching people whip up imaginary cults while being the very posters absolutely obsessed with the man

I read your post three time and still don't understand it.
Maybe I should take a remedial reading course for those trying to interpret Leftist arguments.

He has learned orange Man bad, but nothing else about the world

 

[smb3802]

I see how you can attack Trump's personality flaws in order to suggest he is going to fail. And if he succeeds then what will you write? That he didn't do things the way you wanted him to do?
No wonder you vilify people like Trump and Musk. They "get away with things that others are held accountable."
Maybe like OJ Simpson getting away with killing two innocent people because he was a celebrity and had some of the best lawyers?

I am not attacking Trumps personality flaws. You must have some reading comprehension issues. I am attacking Trump supporters for supporting in the face of those obvious personality flaws that have led to you and others like you to support him in his obvious and adjudicated illegal acts and defiance of Constitutional law and complete disregard for laws.

As for Musk he is typical of the failed philosophy founded by a bad romance novelist that suggests because he made a lot of money he can do whatever the eff he wants.

You mistake hating the person with hating their actions and the consequences of their actions. To you the two seem inseparable. That is your issue to deal with.