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Can you debate gun control using only logical arguments...

Fearandloathing said:
My question is what is it about the Great USA that makes people so frightened of each other?

The only people who insist on having murder weapons at hand at all times. That's kind of sick when you think about it.
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I think it's the response to the civil rights movement mostly. They're just so scared of the idea of the lower classes rising up that they feel they need to own firearms to keep themselves safe.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The 2A rights don’t include the right to shoot (or shoot at) another person, thus (sufficient) “gun control” laws already exist.
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So what I said, is correct.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Hand guns serve one purpose and one purpose only: to kill another human being.
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Strage. I have owned a handgun most of my adult life and have never killed another human being.
Fearandloathing said:
The logic therefore is that Americans plan to kill other Americans.
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That is a very silly claim considering only a tiny fraction of 1% of handguns owned in the US are used to kill other human beings.
Fearandloathing said:
If the only reason to have one is to kill another human and it is against the law to kill another human being then is not logical to insist on owning a hand gun. is not involved Every reason I have heard of keeping a kill machine made no ****ing sense whatsoever.
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However nearly 100% of owned handguns are for self defense or target practice. Your attempt at logic is not logical.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
I think it's the response to the civil rights movement mostly. They're just so scared of the idea of the lower classes rising up that they feel they need to own firearms to keep themselves safe.
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The civil rights movement explains Americans being armed in the 1800’s or earlier.

You are so funny.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
The civil rights movement explains Americans being armed in the 1800’s or earlier.

You are so funny.
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FearandLoathing was talking about more recently. As for you, as I understand gun ownership, it was tied to colonialism. Someone has to steal the natives' land, or keep slaves in line.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK. Since that activity is already illegal then why do we need more “gun control” laws?
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That's not the OP. The point is simple. Whether gun control is needed. Anything more than that is not needed.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
That's not the OP. The point is simple. Whether gun control is needed. Anything more than that is not needed.
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I agree, yet many folks are constantly calling for more “gun control” laws.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I agree, yet many folks are constantly calling for more “gun control” laws.
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In other threads yes. Not this one. One premise, until I'm told otherwise by the OP.
 
DaveJ said:
...I would have said using only logical arguments and your brain, but that would have been redundant.

RULES:
Rule 1 - no resorting to personal attacks or character attacks on either poster or politicians. We are debating only the concept of whether gun control itself makes sense as a rule.
Rule 2 - no using websites or articles as evidence. You can use any information you get from them as evidence, but it has to be your interpretation. In other words, no posting links, saying "I'm right because the writer of this article agrees with me."
Rule 3 - this one will be difficult so I may have to make it optional... try not to post more than 1 argument per post. It makes no sense, and is nearly impossible, to reply to 3-4 different arguments in a single post. Including multiple arguments in one post doesn't make your point more correct. Also when multiple arguments are happening at one time people just choose the easiest point to respond to and then the opposing side thinks they've won. Make one argument and make it count.

If no one posts here I will know no one is interested.
Also... I don't know if I'm allowed to make rules like this but... Oh well I'm trying anyways
-Dave
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Yes. People with guns are killing innocent people with or without guns. Something needs to be done to stop that.
Logically, gun owners need to take some responsibility for their use of firearms. In the same manner that we accept regulations on other products that harm the population.

Gun owners encompass all gun owners. Just as car opperaters convers all drivers. It is the responsibility of all users of a product to use it safely. It is apparent through evidence that firearms in the US are a problem. Doing nothing never fixes a problem. Neither does over regulating.

Banning firearms outright would just mean no regulations on illegal firearms. Our experiment with alcohol prohibition proved that banning firearms would never work in a free society. It would only work in an authoritarian type of government. Even then, sometimes not.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
Listen I haven't gotten any actual responses to the sources I cited. It's just "well firearm owners won't be violent with them because there are so many of them". That's not a response to my sources.
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That's not true. Read your own thread.
 
Mycroft said:

Can you debate gun control using only logical arguments...​


Sure.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?​
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This twisted English interpolation again ?

Good God.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Guns are used defensively 500,000 to 3 million times per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes.

CDC study, 2013.
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Yeah the same CDC that the right treats as gospel when it comes to gun, but derides and ridicules what it says about COVID.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
I think it's the response to the civil rights movement mostly. They're just so scared of the idea of the lower classes rising up that they feel they need to own firearms to keep themselves safe.
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BULL


SHIT

I was living in Amerika Long Long before the civil rights movement was even an idea. Guns were MORE of a problem then. There was no real "national coverage"
 
Fearandloathing said:
BULL


SHIT

I was living in Amerika Long Long before the civil rights movement was even an idea. Guns were MORE of a problem then. There was no real "national coverage"
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How would you say so?
 
Noodlegawd said:
No, sorry, I'm not relitigating your other thread in this one. Go read it.
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I'm not wasting my time scrolling through a thread trying to piece together your thought process. Cite a post.
 
Scatty Kitty said:
I'm not wasting my time scrolling through a thread trying to piece together your thought process. Cite a post.
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Wow, it's your damn thread! Way to admit that you didn't bother to read it after claiming that nobody said whatever you were looking for. It's even worse for the fact that you responded to, and totally dodged, my comments, which explicitly referenced information in the article.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yeah the same CDC that the right treats as gospel when it comes to gun, but derides and ridicules what it says about COVID.
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Good on guns, bad on COVID are not mutually exclusive.
 
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