Can We Stop?

[The Mark]

In this scenario, safety and freedom are syonymous.

Safety is almost always opposed to freedoms.

Because to be safer, we must restrict something that is happening.

Now, in some cases the "freedom" is one that is not and should not be protected by the constitution, like the freedom to profit at the expense of others.
In those cases, "safety" would be a no-brainer in any sane world, where we protect the citizens by laws which punish those behaviors.

OTOH, in some cases "freedom" must be protected even if it infringes on the "safety" of some - for example when the 1st amendment hurts people's feelings, they can go sulk, but little else will be done in any system I accept.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The bottom line is that people should not be taking the law into their own hands just to act out their emotional impulse of the moment.

Conservatives are the law-abiding ones, while the impulsive Lefties are the ones who prefer to disregard laws they don't like. Lefties find national borders inconvenient, so they disregard them. They find laws of private property and theft inconvenient, so they disregard them. They find equality and meritocracy inconvenient, so they disregard them. They find election results and election laws inconvenient, so they disregard them.

Conservatives were more than fine with depriving men of their constitutional rights if women came after them at University.

They also were fine with the corruption of the courts by politics.

They were also fine with the vast corruption of Washington.

The leaders of the Right also were fine with constant lies.

At election time they said whatever, "who cares"

Kindly dont blow smoke up my skirt.

tyvm

:2wave:

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Didn't he marry an immigrant?

Yeah, but she’s white so it’s okay.

 

[Manc Skipper]

This obsessing over safety is what idiots and often too chumps who are being manipulated by their betters do.

It for damn sure is not what heroes do.

Or psychotics.

 

[Blue Dog]

Back to the OP. We should stop, but too many people would rather dig their heels in and claim it’s the other sides fault. That’s the problem when being “right” is more important than moving forward and coming together as a nation.

 

[Carleen]

Oh puleeeze... Everyone is at fault here on both sides of the aisle for the nonsense, but mostly the media who makes their living creating partisan division.

Yes, I agree, it is up to Trump to put a stop to this nonsense. The media is reporting the news and Trump makes negative news everyday. How can anyone condone the behavior of this president?

 

[Carleen]

He is not the leader of the left. He is not in charge of law enforcement in cities.

Do you want him to be? I'm sure he is quite capable of stopping violence if you give him that power.

I don't want to give him that power. I'd rather the leftists in power in those cities take responsibility instead of blaming Trump for something he cannot do.

That my friend is a very weak argument. He should put a stop to this nonsense by condemning it. Instead he stokes division and hatred. That is not what a president should be doing. This is not a left or right thing. It is an attack on our democracy just as it was when Scalise was shot. And dems and Republicans BOTH condemned that. Trump should be condemning bomb threats against anyone regardless of party.

 

[Carleen]

Isn't that what I just said in my above post?

:doh

No, you blamed the press. They are reporting what has happened which is what they should be doing.

 

[Carleen]

I do believe that Trump did call for exactly that earlier today in the press conference. Melania was there too echoing the same.

I guess that means it's Hillary's turn, and Maxine Waters turn, and Hodler's turn to do the same. Wonder if they will.

And then Trump went to a rally and said “see how nice I can be?” Really? In other words this is all a joke.

 

[Carleen]

Trump can't "make" anyone follow him. He can't make anyone agree with him. And he certainly can't control the actions of those who are against him.

But you're right about not condemning and displaying hatred. Perhaps you should talk about how the leftist leaders do that sort of thing. Perhaps you should talk about the multimedia echo chamber doing that 24/7 for more than 3 years.

Let's face fact, eh? Those people started it the day Trump came down his escalator.

Trump started it when he chose to run for president and everyone ignored his behavior except those who found it unacceptable to the office of the presidency. Since he has been elected he has done nothing to unite, but constantly divide. He has rallies and spews hate and fuels anger against anyone who criticizes him. Now someone is acting out against people he considers enemies. He is a leader for those who hate and it is appalling.

 

[Blue Dog]

Yes, I agree, it is up to Trump to put a stop to this nonsense. The media is reporting the news and Trump makes negative news everyday. How can anyone condone the behavior of this president?

Agreed in principle. As the President he should absolutely lead by example. There is NO excuse for his bombastic jeremiads. However, there is blame to go around. HRC and Sen Biden added their own gasoline to the tribal fire with the “deplorables” and “dregs” rhetoric.

Just an observation

 

[Carleen]

Agreed in principle. As the President he should absolutely lead by example. There is NO excuse for his bombastic jeremiads. However, there is blame to go around. HRC and Sen Biden added their own gasoline to the tribal fire with the “deplorables” and “dregs” rhetoric.

Just an observation

I agree, but it is up to Trump to call for an end to all of this not keep fueling anger on both sides of the aisle. That is the point I am trying to make, but it seems he has no intention of doing that.

 

[markjs]

This is a Jetboogieman PSA:

Can we stop please.

Can we stop trying to say:

"The Left are violent"

Or

"The Right are violent".

Can we agree people are violent in general and commit illegal violent acts for all sorts of reasons, but that no one side has a monopoly on violence, or harassment, or any other deplorable form of attack on people, physical or non-physical.

There are terrible right wing trolls and left wing trolls on the internet that do all sorts of horrible things to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

No side of the political aisle doesn't have these bad actors that do these bad things and neither should the entire "right" or the entire "left" have to take responsibility for an individuals actions.

Yes there are some circumstances in which a political figure who has directly encouraged certain actions should bear some level of blame certainly, but there's alot of those accusations being thrown around without much evidence to back it up.

Anyway, please stop this bull****, it's really, really, really dumb.

People are violent, left or right. People making political hay of this are fools and counterproductive. LIke trolls, it's best to ignore them much as possible.

 

[WCH]

That my friend is a very weak argument. He should put a stop to this nonsense by condemning it. Instead he stokes division and hatred. That is not what a president should be doing. This is not a left or right thing. It is an attack on our democracy just as it was when Scalise was shot. And dems and Republicans BOTH condemned that. Trump should be condemning bomb threats against anyone regardless of party.

Since when did the Left and the Nevers adhere to anything Trump says? Trump did condemn the packages. [not actually bombs]

 

[markjs]

DJT condemned the acts and what did the leftists elites do?

Blamed him.

Leftists aren't interested in civility.

No, that would be you and your kind deciding that, because you're not interested (nor capable) of civility and you want an excuse.

 

[WCH]

People are violent, left or right. People making political hay of this are fools and counterproductive. LIke trolls, it's best to ignore them much as possible.

Don't you know one of the main gripes from these psychos is being ignored/marginalized?

 

[Blue Dog]

I agree, but it is up to Trump to call for an end to all of this not keep fueling anger on both sides of the aisle. That is the point I am trying to make, but it seems he has no intention of doing that.

Why would he. He is an entertainer. The more controversial the comment, the more likely he is going to fire it out into the public domain. We can not control President Trumps opprobrium, but we can react to it, without getting into a mudslinging contest.

 

[markjs]

Not true.

The Portland Mayor has instructed his police to allow Antifa free reign in his city. (that Mayor is a leftist) That's his choice.

It was the same in San Diego last year when Antifa was allowed to destroy property and assault peaceful citizens at will.

Those leftist leaders have the full force of their own law enforcement at their disposal...they have the ability to control Antifa. But they choose not to.

Has it ever occurred to you that even Antifa has free speech rights under the constitution? No, not if it's **** you don't wanna hear, can't be OK. Not gonna defend Antifa or Nazis but not every protest is violent.

 

[Tom Horn]

Clock Boy where are you? We need your guiding civility!

 

[markjs]

People are violent, left or right. People making political hay of this are fools and counterproductive. LIke trolls, it's best to ignore them much as possible.

Don't you know one of the main gripes from these psychos is being ignored/marginalized?

You didn't read what I said, but of course you're eager to find a disagreement, why I'm wrong, so eager your reading comprehension suffers. Was referring to posters here laying blame, and acting like this is some reflection on "the left" or "the right". But go ahead and make assumptions, and demonize, works so incredibly well for you, maybe you can completely destroy the GOP with that attitude.

 

[Carleen]

Since when did the Left and the Nevers adhere to anything Trump says? Trump did condemn the packages. [not actually bombs]

And then he went to a rally and said “see how nice I can be?” Really? This is no joke.

 

[Hypothetical]

It's hard to have fun with a poster who spams the forum with 'this study proves Trump's base/supporters are racist'.
Just saying.

yeah I think this is the main crux of the problem anyway. How are we to come to terms when one side wants the law followed and is concerned about the influx of illegal immigration, and the other side is either convinced, or uses that as a political tool, to say that means that everyone on that other side means ALL immigrants and is racist?

isn't that the topic that causes much of the anger on either side?

 

[apdst]

Yes, I agree, it is up to Trump to put a stop to this nonsense. The media is reporting the news and Trump makes negative news everyday. How can anyone condone the behavior of this president?

It's up to President Trump to put a stop to the Left's nonsense?

 

[Carleen]

Why would he. He is an entertainer. The more controversial the comment, the more likely he is going to fire it out into the public domain. We can not control President Trumps opprobrium, but we can react to it, without getting into a mudslinging contest.

I think bombs is a little more than mudslinging.

 

[Carleen]

It's up to President Trump to put a stop to the Left's nonsense?

How about the nonsense at his rallies? Shouldn’t that stop too?