can we all agree the trials against Trump were political ? (1 Viewer)

[mike2810]

Hillary, Biden, Obama, Trump and Pence all took documents the National Archives claimed were improper to remove. Which one had their home ransacked by Federal agents armed to the teeth. The same one was charged with felonies while prosecution was declined for the others.

Prove that Trump's home was "ransacked by federal agents armed to the teeth?

Which of the ones you listed said everything was returned when it was not.
Which of the ones you listed did not fully cooperate with the agents
Which of the ones you listed said they are mine and I have a right to them

The National Archives stood mute for years after Hillary failed to turn over any records from her time as Secretary of State. Classified records were included. Yet a special counsel was appointed to persecute the Bad Orange Man.

Will say again. Each case stands on their own merits. The topic is Trump and not Hilary.

FBI Brought Props To Stage Infamous Trump Crime Scene Photo

The FBI brought props to its raid of Trump's Mar-a-Lago for classified documents that were pictured in an infamous photo taken at the alleged crime scene.

dailycaller.com

Looks like typical crime scene documentation.

 

[mike2810]

Biden lied.

Biden gave the stolen classified documents back to the government after he had already shared them with his ghost writer. Biden was working on an 8-million-dollar book deal. It was his ghost writer who gave some of that stolen information back to Hur as well. I quoted the proof for this in Post #541.

Fact-checking Biden’s claims on classified documents report

In a Feb. 8 press conference responding to Special Counsel Robert Hur’s classified documents report, President Joe Biden

www.politifact.com

ok. Biden lied

Now let's see if you have the courage to admit Trump and his lawyer lied about the documents at Mar-a-Largo.
Did Trump and his lawyer lie when they said all the documents had been returned and later more were found by federal agents?

 

[Ethel2]

Just remember this. Every Ethel2 accusation is a confession.

Yes
I’m confessing FOR YOU that you wouldn’t have voted for the guy you said you wouldn’t support before you said you would support had it been your daughter he sexually assaulted rather than an anonymous woman-for example.
Some people here just need a little nudge to return to the real world.
Some need a big PUSH

 

[Cordelier]

so in 2028 they'll all come back you think ?

Absolutely. And if he pardons himself to avoid prosecution, that's obstruction of justice.

 

[BabaVoss]

“I assume you mean that Trump could do so “just by thinking about it”? No, that’s not how it works.“

Kindly cite the regulations where the President is obligated to ask "Mother may I?" before declassifying documents.

Did someone tell you that is how it works? If you actually want it understand the process, google it. I suspect that is not your goal.

We know from Biden’s interview with investigators he showed classified documents to his ghostwriter who was not authorized to view it. No prosecution.

Yes. Biden didn’t lie about it, didn’t hide it, didn’t tell his lawyers to lie about, etc. as you already know. You are simply cheerleading for trump,

 

[Cordelier]

then why the dismissals ? if they're valid cases

Because the Special Counsel is bound to follow DOJ policy. It is DOJ policy not to prosecute a sitting President.

Note that the charges were dismissed without prejudice. That means they can be filed again while Trump is out of office without violating his double jeopardy protections.

 

[DCCougar]

The Democrat rule of law requires punishing the Bad Orange Man for the crime of winning the election. Hurray.

Yeah, right. Just forget about his actual crimes. He is above the law!

 

[BabaVoss]

Trump allegedly obstructed justice.
Mr. Biden did not

That is the difference.

Trump lied about having them. Trump lied about returning them. Trump asked his attorneys to lie about them. Trump handled them very carelessly. These are facts.

 

[trixare4kids]

ok. Biden lied

That's all you needed to admit but one thing you left out is that he lied to SC Hur. That's a serious offense, but no charges were filed against him because all you can say is that he gave them back and Trump didn't. Yeah, Biden gave them back because they took them from him after it was found he stole them for his own personal use. When he had no choice but to give them back, way after he illegally shared classified information with a ghostwriter.

Now let's see if you have the courage to admit Trump and his lawyer lied about the documents at Mar-a-Largo.
Did Trump and his lawyer lie when they said all the documents had been returned and later more were found by federal agents?

Don't question my courage. Question your own, and when you do, examine why you would give Biden a pass and not Trump. The only reason Biden wasn't prosecuted was clearly laid out by Hur in his final summary--a jury wouldn't convict him because he thought a jury would be too sympathetic to "an elderly old man with a poor memory". At the end of the day, Biden had no business with classified information in his possession, much he took with him when he left the Senate and the Vice Presidency.

 

[DCCougar]

it was all an attempt to keep Trump from campaigning/getting votes/winning ....

Simply false.

and now that they failed, all that crap will go away because it had little merit to begin with

More falsehoods. In your view, Trump must be God, above the law, untouchable.

 

[antiquity]

More faulty logic. The criminal actions happened. Just because the supreme court rigged it so that a president is free to commit crime doesn't mean trump is innocent of anything. Read the indictments in the docs and J 6 cases. Then tell me how he's innocent.

For you information the Jan 6th case was dropped as were most of the other cases have been dropped. And the SC ruling (all future Presidents, even democrats) only applied to 'Official acts only'. Try to keep current.

 

[butterfly]

Haha - you are on a forum that is 80% HATE-HATE-HATE Trump... it doesn't matter how much it is true, they would literally rather starve to death than admit anything.

Umm, no. I'm hopeful I won't starve to death no matter how Trump & Co screw things up. Having an opinion does not = hatred.

 

[antiquity]

Simply false.

Must you be reminded of Colorado and Maine trying to keep Trump off the ballot?

More falsehoods. In your view, Trump must be God, above the law, untouchable.

According to the voters ....one step above Harris and Biden.

 

[BabaVoss]

can we all agree the trials against Trump were political ?​

They were absolutely political.

He committed crimes. He was prosecuted for some of them. These trials were legitimate and based on evidence of criminal activity by trump. Nothing there says “political’.

 

[antiquity]

While some of the trials might have political overtones, meaning they were at least in part brought to fit political aims, there is absolutely no question that actual laws were broken and that the investigation of them provided evidence reaching probable cause levels and beyond that Trump was an actor in these crimes, and thus while we might be able to cite some individuals with other than judicial reasoning for wanting these cases to move forward that DOES NOT mean the cases have no true judicial worth.

These cases are real. Regardless of the motives of some involved in their bringing.

If the cases were real why were most of them dropped?

 

[DCCougar]

you were TOLD Trump lied and hid ....

By Corcoran, his own attorney, under oath. And the hiding is on video. But MAGAs will deny the truth even when it's staring them in the face.

but everyone knew they were secured at mar a lago didn't they ?

That's a joke, right? Nobody has any idea what foreign agents accessed the Top Secret documents Trump had stashed around his personal residence. But apparently you don't give a shit about Trump's reckless, irresponsible stewardship of our nation's secrets and national security?

 

[DCCougar]

....the Dem's MSM propaganda and pushed narratives.....

Right -- always blame your opponent for the crimes and misconduct that YOU commit. It's the Trump way!

 

[DCCougar]

For you information the Jan 6th case was dropped as were most of the other cases have been dropped.

Dismissed without prejudice. It's possible they could be brought again once he leaves office.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

If the cases were real why were most of them dropped?

Really? I’m mean… really?

Ok, let’s pretend it’s not obvious. I’ll explain.

The cases were brought up because they met a legal level of “reasonable suspicion” to merit their investigation.

The investigations produced sufficient evidence to conclude a crime was committed and who was more likely than not involved in it, “Probable Cause”, and an indictment was passed down.

The indictment triggered an arrest and a trial.

The trial was suspended when it was concluded that, because the suspected party was elected POTUS and SCOTUS had made POTUS’ above the law it would be - despite the evidence being there and probable cause being met, a waste of taxpayer money and the courts time to prosecute cases the President could pardon himself from, or maneuver DOJ to intercede in his behalf.

Got it? Good.

 

[mike2810]

That's all you needed to admit but one thing you left out is that he lied to SC Hur. That's a serious offense, but no charges were filed against him because all you can say is that he gave them back and Trump didn't. Yeah, Biden gave them back because they took them from him after it was found he stole them for his own personal use. When he had no choice but to give them back, way after he illegally shared classified information with a ghostwriter.

I was not asked by you to write a dissertation on the subject.

Don't question my courage. Question your own, and when you do, examine why you would give Biden a pass and not Trump. The only reason Biden wasn't prosecuted was clearly laid out by Hur in his final summary--a jury wouldn't convict him because he thought a jury would be too sympathetic to "an elderly old man with a poor memory". At the end of the day, Biden had no business with classified information in his possession, much he took with him when he left the Senate and the Vice Presidency.

amazing: You cannot say that Trump lied about the documents. Quit dodging and stick to the thread topic. It is about Trump not Biden.

We have nothing further to discuss on this until you admit Trump lied.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Absolutely. And if he pardons himself to avoid prosecution, that's obstruction of justice.

I disagree.

It is highly unlikely that this issue will recur when Trump leaves office at the end of his second term.

In the first case, there would be no valid motivation (albeit some like yourself may feel the need to punish him for winning re-election despite your vaunted "lawfare.") He cannot run for that office again.

In the second case, Trump will be 82 years old when he leaves office. This after (hopefully) completing his 4 more years dealing with of all the pressures and stresses of holding the Presidency which is going to be a tribulation.

In the third case, it would be seen as vindictiveness and likely taint any government leader who wins the 2028 election.

No, IMO the Democrats will do their best to roadblock and otherwise stymie Trump during his upcoming term, while seeking a better candidate of their own for 2028.

 

[soap box]

For you information the Jan 6th case was dropped as were most of the other cases have been dropped. And the SC ruling (all future Presidents, even democrats) only applied to 'Official acts only'. Try to keep current.

Are you aware of why they are going to be dismissed? The facts in the indictments haven't changed at all. Did you think an election was a trial? You and he are unable to say he's innocent.

Trump will simply say it's an official duty and the trial is stalled for 8 months. The trial resumes and in one day the defense objects and appeals. That will take 8 months. The ratio would be a day of trial and months stalled in appeal. It does not end. So Trump can commit whatever crime he wants when he says the magic words- "It was my official duty"

 

[ElChupacabra]

That's all you needed to admit but one thing you left out is that he lied to SC Hur. That's a serious offense, but no charges were filed against him because all you can say is that he gave them back and Trump didn't. Yeah, Biden gave them back because they took them from him after it was found he stole them for his own personal use. When he had no choice but to give them back, way after he illegally shared classified information with a ghostwriter.

That's a massive distinction though. Many of the charges center around this plot to prevent the return of the documents. Trump was not even charged with possession of the documents, but all of the idiocy he orchestrated to hang on to them.

Don't question my courage. Question your own, and when you do, examine why you would give Biden a pass and not Trump. The only reason Biden wasn't prosecuted was clearly laid out by Hur in his final summary--a jury wouldn't convict him because he thought a jury would be too sympathetic to "an elderly old man with a poor memory". At the end of the day, Biden had no business with classified information in his possession, much he took with him when he left the Senate and the Vice Presidency.

Alternatively, you can read the indictment against Trump and compare what Biden and Pence did then see the notable difference. If you can point to where Trump was charged with possession of classified material that would be great.

 

[trixare4kids]

Yes
I’m confessing FOR YOU that you wouldn’t have voted for the guy you said you wouldn’t support before you said you would support had it been your daughter he sexually assaulted rather than an anonymous woman-for example.
Some people here just need a little nudge to return to the real world.
Some need a big PUSH

Oh, we're afraid. You're going to PUSH those who disagree with you on the Internet. Whatever will we do?

Whatever will poor YOU do for the next four years with a president in office that you didn't vote for? You need to cool off. I hear Iceland is nice this time of year.

Otherwise, I recommend something a lot closer to home.

 

[trixare4kids]

No. The presiding Judge can reject the jury decision, can ask the jury to reconsider, can simply opt to dismiss the charges.

Until the Judge has ruled and the case is closed there has been no conviction.

"The decision of the jury doesn't take effect until the judge enters a judgment on the decision - that is, an order that it be filed in public records."

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/judgment/

End of story.

End of story, indeed. So well sourced! Do they even review the sources so that they can learn the facts?

Don't you wish they'd stop trying to convince themselves that they know anything about the law? It must be so draining for some to keep up this charade. Unless of course, some already know and are here to troll those they call "the MAGATS".