Can we all agree that the efforts Democrats make to reduce gun violence will benefit red states more than blue states?

[CLAX1911]

Yes. I completely understand what "Legislation is the first step in due process" means. Can you explain what your response "You can't legislate away due process" means?

It means what it says so you don't understand English?

 

[CLAX1911]

Point out the misrepresentation. Try to use a complete sentence.

You're playing dumb.

 

[Spock]

Your statement makes no greater sense simply because you repeated it.

I think we are safer with a mass murderer removed from society. You apparently think they should be free to roam.

Why would you make such a silly statement?
The incarceration in the USA is quite high and proves to be a training ground for more criminal activity.
Of course, the facts will not be persuasive since you already are certain that your urban myths are correct.

 

[RF667799]

Why would you make such a silly statement?
The incarceration in the USA is quite high and proves to be a training ground for more criminal activity.
Of course, the facts will not be persuasive since you already are certain that your urban myths are correct.

I'm not talking about a revolving door justice system.

If you want to make the argument that society is safer with murderers allowed to run free, you're going to be met with jeers and laughter.

 

[mrjurrs]

You're playing dumb.

too boring to continue

 

[CLAX1911]

too boring to continue

That's right run away.

 

[RF667799]

That's right run away.

When someone has the idea that society is safer if murderers, rapists and what-not are left free to roam, I doubt they have much that's rational to add to a conversation anyway.

 

[The Brad Dad]

When someone has the idea that society is safer if murderers, rapists and what-not are left free to roam, I doubt they have much that's rational to add to a conversation anyway.

Who made that argument? If that’s your takeaway I guess it’s equally fair to say you believe in mass shootings at schools in order to keep us safe.

 

[RF667799]

Who made that argument? If that’s your takeaway I guess it’s equally fair to say you believe in mass shootings at schools in order to keep us safe.

What else can you take away from someone bemoaning that we incarcerate violent criminals?

Anyway, you've got your own claims to support. Better get cracking.

 

[The Brad Dad]

What else can you take away from someone bemoaning that we incarcerate violent criminals?

That’s not what I took away. So i guess my point stands.

 

[RF667799]

That’s not what I took away. So i guess my point stands.

Who cares what you took away? You're not apt to support anything you say anyway, given past history.

 

[VySky]

There is one political party that prevents common sense gun laws from being passed.

I'm surprised the gun grabbers have not dropped the failed description of "common sense" when it comes the the restrictions the cult desires. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Who cares what you took away? You're not apt to support anything you say anyway, given past history.

You made up a position the person took. Here, let’s talk incarceration: in a society where prisons are for profit, is it more or less likely that industry would pay money to influence laws to make it more likely to lock people up? And further because they’re for profit, it’s in their interest to make them gladiator academies vs legitimate centers of not just consequence, which is fair, but also legitimate rehabilitation? Sounds to me like your positions wants the revolving door scenario which puts more lives in danger.

 

[RF667799]

I'm surprised the gun grabbers have not dropped the failed description of "common sense" when it comes the the restrictions the cult desires. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Don't you understand that if some guy is a drunk driver, it's common sense to restrict somebody else's access to motor vehicles?

 

[RF667799]

You made up a position the person took. Here, let’s talk incarceration: in a society where prisons are for profit, is it more or less likely that industry would pay money to influence laws to make it more likely to lock people up? And further because they’re for profit, it’s in their interest to make them gladiator academies vs legitimate centers of not just consequence, which is fair, but also legitimate rehabilitation? Sounds to me like your positions wants the revolving door scenario which puts more lives in danger.

No, I'm pretty sure his take wasn't as gaseous as that. He just was bitching that people are incarcerated. My position is that people who have demonstrated a propensity for violently preying on their fellow man, can rot in prison. Locked door-no key. Not a revolving door.

 

[noonereal]

Democratic efforts to reduce gun violence are failing miserably. If you want to reduce gun violence, do what the four northeast states with stats under 5.0. No solid citizen is prevented from owning guns.

As long as there is no national law there will be no improvement.

50 states with 50 laws is like a boat filled with holes.

 

[Spock]

When someone has the idea that society is safer if murderers, rapists and what-not are left free to roam, I doubt they have much that's rational to add to a conversation anyway.

Just another faulty conclusion made by those with dubious judgment and compromised reading ability.

 

[RF667799]

Just another faulty conclusion made by those with dubious judgment and compromised reading ability.

^^^^Just another classic ad hom because a rational response is not available.

 

[VySky]

As long as there is no national law there will be no improvement.

50 states with 50 laws is like a boat filled with holes.

We need to enforce the laws we have right now.

 

[The Brad Dad]

No, I'm pretty sure his take wasn't as gaseous as that. He just was bitching that people are incarcerated. My position is that people who have demonstrated a propensity for violently preying on their fellow man, can rot in prison. Locked door-no key. Not a revolving door.

Define the terms for your new life in prison regime. Which crimes qualify? And again; you are comfortable with prison being for profit and have no concerns over that money influencing laws?

 

[The Brad Dad]

We need to enforce the laws we have right now.

We tried and then Trump pardoned a bunch of domestic terrorists. So much for law and order.

 

[RF667799]

Define the terms for your new life in prison regime. Which crimes qualify? And again; you are comfortable with prison being for profit and have no concerns over that money influencing laws?

I already said that I was speaking of violent crimes.

Crime is often for profit. Do you have no concerns over that money influencing laws? I don't really have a strong position on "for profit" prisons. If they are being used to lock up violent predators, then I really couldn't care less.

 

[RF667799]

We tried and then Trump pardoned a bunch of domestic terrorists. So much for law and order.

One miscarriage of justice is rationale for abandoning the idea all together?

 

[The Brad Dad]

I already said that I was speaking of violent crimes.

Crime is often for profit. Do you have no concerns over that money influencing laws? I don't really have a strong position on "for profit" prisons. If they are being used to lock up violent predators, then I really couldn't care less.

Violent crimes = life in prison, correct? Define those crimes.

Okay! I hear you - youve given this no thought and have nothing to add.

 

[The Brad Dad]

One miscarriage of justice is rationale for abandoning the idea all together?

You mean like how white people never got over Obama and now want to end our republic?