Can the left and right even converse at this point?

[Dans La Lune]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

 

[swing_voter]

Both sides converse on this forum.

 

[Cardinal]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

I‘ll answer this question with another question: what is the middle ground between “Obama is a Kenyan” and “No he’s not”?

 

[apdst]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

Can we converse after you trash Right wingers? Naw...probably not...lol

 

[apdst]

I‘ll answer this question with another question: what is the middle ground between “Obama is a Kenyan” and “No he’s not”?

I just want to be left alone. Why do you people have such a hard time with that?

 

[Cardinal]

I just want to be left alone. Why do you people have such a hard time with that?

Log off.

 

[apdst]

Log off.

The Left's comments get dumber by the day.

 

[Mycroft]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

Of course, the left and right can converse...as long as the right agrees to everything the left has to say.

 

[Evilroddy]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

Salut, Dans La Rue:

In all fairness, try having a reasonable discussion with a crusading, anti-capitalist, anarchistic, non-binary, non-linear thinking, meme-wielding, environmental activist/zealot about state policy regarding just about anything. There's not a lot of common ground there for a meeting of the realities, let alone the minds. Unless you immediately and unconditionally capitulate to "their" demands to define and redefine the terms of the issue, almost no civil debate is possible.

Apologies in advance if my example offends some, but in truth I have had this exact discussion several times before. We need a modern Rosetta Stone sometimes to translate between people in the same community.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Phys251]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality. I'm not going to both sides this: the problem is the right-wing cesspool of disinformation and conspiracy propaganda. For every example of left-leaning fringe disinformation there's probably a million examples on the right.

How does the left converse with the right? Is it even possible at this point? When does it stop?

Not gonna watch that video, because I can easily predict the kind of filth that spews from those people. The usual "Biden stole the election," "fake news media," and so on.

As someone around here recently said, it's like trying to explain calculus to people who don't even believe in math.

 

[Evilroddy]

Of course, the left and right can converse...as long as the right agrees to everything the left has to say.

Mycroft:

That's rich! An interesting position to take for someone who regularly dismisses others who disagree with him. Are you a closet member of the left or does your quoted statement require some immediate rethinking and revision?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Cardinal]

Of course, the left and right can converse...as long as the right agrees to everything the left has to say.

Democrat: "One plus one is two."
Republican: "Actually one plus one is pizza."
Both sidser: "Man, these two guys are always squabbling. Why can't they compromise and meet in the middle?"

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft:

That's rich! An interesting position to take for someone who regularly dismisses others who disagree with him. Are you a closet member of the left or does your quoted statement require some immediate rethinking and revision?

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I don't dismiss people who disagree with me. I dismiss people who say stupid shit to me.

 

[Cameron]

Can we converse after you trash Right wingers? Naw...probably not...lol

This is the sum total of the conservative ideology today: "They called us names for our uninformed and irrational opinions so f*** them."

 

[vegas giants]

I don't dismiss people who disagree with me. I dismiss people who say stupid shit to me.

Dismissed

 

[Alizia Tyler]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the left and right ends of the ideological spectrum don't agree on science, democracy, the delivery of information, or basically empirical reality.

I think I understand why you say such a thing. It occurs to me that the conflicts between people are actually grounded in other things, and other areas. And if that is so it is necessary to identify what those essential differences are.

Can you provide a specific example of how the Right does not believe in science?

...Democracy?

...The delivery of information? (I do not know what you mean).

...'Basic empirical reality'?

(I did watch a minute or two of that video and it is easy to see why it was made and what it desires to demonstrate. It is typical of a style of journalism common today. But it is not real journalism. This can be explained).

 

[Evilroddy]

I don't dismiss people who disagree with me. I dismiss people who say stupid shit to me.

Mycroft:

Sure you do. You're the paragon of sagely wisdom and patience. No doubt a post search conducted by any reader here will bear out your modest claim.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft:

Sure you do. You're the paragon of sagely wisdom and patience. No doubt a post search conducted by any reader here will bear out your modest claim.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

shrug...

Go for it. Do a search.

But be aware...I don't care...and you just might get dismissed.

 

[Evilroddy]

Dismissed

Vegas Giants:

Turn around is fair play! Touché monsieur! La!

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Questerr]

I think I understand why you say such a thing. It occurs to me that the conflicts between people are actually grounded in other things, and other areas. And if that is so it is necessary to identify what those essential differences are.

Can you provide a specific example of how the Right does not believe in science?

...Democracy?

...The delivery of information? (I do not know what you mean).

...'Basic empirical reality'?

(I did watch a minute or two of that video and it is easy to see why it was made and what it desires to demonstrate. It is typical of a style of journalism common today. But it is not real journalism. This can be explained).

I could point out the Right’s refusal of science on climate change, but instead I’ll bust out the nuclear option: the majority of Conservatives dismiss scientific evidence for evolution.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Too many on the right, and specifically the Trumpers, are operating in an alternate reality that makes meaningful discourse unlikely at this point. Conservatives used to discuss smaller government, spending, strong military, etc. Now, it is the cult of Trump and conspiracy theories. His divisiveness has to be rejected by more on the right for their to be dialogue.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

In all fairness, try having a reasonable discussion with a crusading, anti-capitalist, anarchistic, non-binary, non-linear thinking, meme-wielding, environmental activist/zealot about state policy regarding just about anything. There's not a lot of common ground there for a meeting of the realities, let alone the minds. Unless you immediately and unconditionally capitulate to "their" demands to define and redefine the terms of the issue, almost no civil debate is possible.

Apologies in advance if my example offends some, but in truth I have had this exact discussion several times before. We need a modern Rosetta Stone sometimes to translate between people in the same community.

This is a very good observation. I take it to mean that people are speaking from an entirely subjective platform. Whatever informs their worldview has been cobbled together and cemented within their social context. And in that social context their views and understandings are cemented and affirmed.

But when they are forced to step out of their *bubble* as it is called, they receive a shock when their 'reality' is confronted. And those who challenge or confront their views may indeed, to them, be 'agents of the evil'. This is so, in their eyes, because they are thoroughly convinced that they are right and they have pure right on their side. How could anyone disagree therefore? Only the benighted, only the deliberately malicious cannot see the truth that informs them.

What I find interesting is that -- and this is my perception -- it is the Left and the Progressives that really go off into strange elliptical orbits. I would certainly agree that the political Right has its own areas of bias though.

It is very hard to wade through all of this. Why? Because it is in essence psychological. It does not necessarily have to do with facts or even factual reality (as the phrase is used, as if the one using it is situated in 'reality' and not an elaborated interpretation of it!) but with versions of perception and view that are often more emotional and sentimental than anything else.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Democrat: "One plus one is two."
Republican: "Actually one plus one is pizza."
Both sidser: "Man, these two guys are always squabbling. Why can't they compromise and meet in the middle?"

That's basically it. Meeting in the middle between 'sense' and 'nonsense' seems like a failed strategy for humanity.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Both sides converse on this forum.

Do we really? Seems to me like we just trade insults until someone lands a sick burn and wins the thread.

 

[TheParser]

No, the right & the left cannot have a conversation.

No one is to blame.

The right believes certain things.

The left believes certain things.

They are incompatible. That's all.

Now what do a husband and a wife do when they discover they are incompatible?

Right! They separate.

Czechoslovakia did it.

So can we! (Probably before the end of this century.)