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... abortion is simply a choice but a miscarriage is a tragedy?
Can it really be only because the baby that was miscarried may have been wanted?
Gotta be more than that, right?
 
bubbabgone said:
... abortion is simply a choice but a miscarriage is a tragedy?
Can it really be only because the baby that was miscarried may have been wanted?
Gotta be more than that, right?
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Choice VS Tragedy? - those two concepts are hardly antonyms of each other.

It's Choice VS No Choice
Or it's Tragedy VS Non-Tragedy.

Not: Choice Vs Tragedy

That's how it really is - and who are you to say that someone doesn't see the choice to have an abortion as a tragedy?

If I chose to have an abortion it would be because of health concerns and an inability to adequately care for 5 children . . . it would be a horrific tragedy but an unavoidable one.

Choice is a decision that leads to outcome or results.
Tragedy is emotionally tied to the outcome or results.

Puzzle you this: ever heard of the phrase 'a blessing in disguise' . . . a Dr said that to my best friend when her baby died . . . they said it was a tragedy but a blessing in disguise for a variety of reasons - mostly related to the health of the child and how much more she would have suffered if she lived past infancy, etc. . . I thought it was ****ed up.

But there you go. A baby dying in infancy is a tragedy - but my friend was told is was tragic but a blessing in disguise.
 
Sometimes a miscarriage is a tragedy.

Since the possibility of a miscarriage happening is there, some women don't psychologically set themselves up for hurt. This is where women will say they are not parents until birth. The mindset behind this is not to put in any emotional investment in until birth since the possibility of a natural abortion on her fetus is real.

My adoptive mother had a miscarriage this month and she said '' Oh well let's try again'' no stress, no regret, or any pain of any sort.
 
Apologies for the lack of the quote ... new to the site ...
This is to Aunt Spiker ...That was a somewhat long answer just to say the difference is essentially that the difference depends on what the person wants ... no mention of the life unrealized.
 
bubbabgone said:
Apologies for the lack of the quote ... new to the site ...
This is to Aunt Spiker ...That was a somewhat long answer just to say the difference is essentially that the difference depends on what the person wants ... no mention of the life unrealized.
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Just use the "Reply With Quote" option, and the post will appear in your response. Good evening bubba...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Just use the "Reply With Quote" option, and the post will appear in your response. Good evening bubba...
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Yeah ... caught that too late ... sounds a bit like another site ... how're you doing Paul?
 
bubbabgone said:
Apologies for the lack of the quote ... new to the site ...
This is to Aunt Spiker ...That was a somewhat long answer just to say the difference is essentially that the difference depends on what the person wants ... no mention of the life unrealized.
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I pointed out that it can be both a choice and a tragedy.

Of course you'll ignore that for lack of a agreeing with you
 
bubbabgone said:
... abortion is simply a choice but a miscarriage is a tragedy?
Can it really be only because the baby that was miscarried may have been wanted?
Gotta be more than that, right?
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Some misscarriages might be concidered tragedies by some people but most miscarriages are not tragedies.

I had two miscarriages between my 2 ed and 3 rd children.

The first miscarriage occured about 5 or 6 weeks gestatation and the 2ed miscarriage occured about 20 weeks gestation.

Most miscarriages occur because the fetus will never become viable or it would be so malformed it would only live a few minutes or hours. Nature or God ( depending on your belief system) sometimes cause a miscarriage and saves the heatbreak of a woman going through 9 months of pregnancy to find the fetus is so malformed it will never live.

When I miscarried at about 20 weeks gestion in the hospital I accidently saw how malformed was. My doctor told me even if I had carried it longer it never would have been viable. Yes, I was sad because I had hoped for a healthy pregnancy but I also realized the miscaaige was a blessing in my case NOT a tragedy.

Some abortions are tragedies. When the womans life is in danger and she needs to abort a planned pregnacy or when a septic pregnancy occurs and the fetus needs to be aborted etc .
Those might be concidered tragedies.
I also want to point out about 90 percent of miscarriges and 88 percent of abortions occur during the first trimester.

About 10 to 15 percent of aborted fetus would have miscarried if they had not been aborted.
 
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minnie616 said:
Some misscarriages might be concidered tragedies by some people but most miscarriages are not tragedies.

Most miscarriages ... sometimes ...
Some abortions are tragedies. ... Those might be concidered tragedies.
I also want to point out about 90 percent of miscarriges and 88 percent of abortions occur during the first trimester.

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Most ... some ... sometimes ... might be considered ...

Let me ask you something ... out of the over 50 million abortions since Roe, how many do you figure were tragic and what was the component that would have made them tragic?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I pointed out that it can be both a choice and a tragedy.

Of course you'll ignore that for lack of a agreeing with you
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Well it didn't take long for you to get confrontational.
The point appears to be that a miscarriage is sad because the baby may have been wanted but with abortion it's usually a relief that it's over ... yet the result is the same ... a lost life ... and still no mention of what makes it different.
 
bubbabgone said:
Well it didn't take long for you to get confrontational.
The point appears to be that a miscarriage is sad because the baby may have been wanted but with abortion it's usually a relief that it's over ... yet the result is the same ... a lost life ... and still no mention of what makes it different.
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I think you might consider that it is potentially a lost life, that has the potential to become a person. I say "potential" because about 20% of pregnancies experience what's called a natural abortion or miscarriage...and there's virtually no way to determine which woman who is pregnant might fall into that 20%.

For any wanted pregnancy, it'd be rare that one, or both, of the potential parents involved would be anything less than sad.

But the hardcore reality is that all life is doomed with the inevitable end...death. Nobody is exempt from that process. Not even a zygote/embryo, fetus.

I assume that it is your opinion that a conception should not to be medically removed at any stage of development, irregardless. Well, you may hold some exception like endangering a woman's life.

What makes miscarriage different than a medical abortion is that one is an act of nature, while the other is planned. But you know that. It's common knowledge.

It's the planned one that some people have a problem with. Some people value a ZEF more than the woman who carries it...irregardless of a woman's rights to manage her on body and reproduction. Am I to assume you might be one of those people????
 
bubbabgone said:
Well it didn't take long for you to get confrontational.
The point appears to be that a miscarriage is sad because the baby may have been wanted but with abortion it's usually a relief that it's over ... yet the result is the same ... a lost life ... and still no mention of what makes it different.
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You're just assuming there's a difference. Maybe there's not at difference at all and you only think there is.
 
bubbabgone said:
... abortion is simply a choice but a miscarriage is a tragedy?
Can it really be only because the baby that was miscarried may have been wanted?
Gotta be more than that, right?
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Hmmmm.... Personally I think both are a tragedy and even a lot prochoicers would agree with that I think. However I do see what you mean I think. If a miscarriage is a bad then doesn't that imply at least in some way that the fetus is more than a lump of cell tissue as many prochoicers want us to believe.
 
If you give all your money away it's called charity.
If your money is taken away it's called theft.

If you give your car away you simply walk, or take an alternate mode of transportation.
If your car is stolen you call the police and your insurance company.

A miscarriage is natures way of preventing a much larger tragedy.

All in all - a very silly question.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
You're just assuming there's a difference. Maybe there's not at difference at all and you only think there is.
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Let's first agree to acknowledge instances of abortion or miscarriage due to fetus development or health problems, okay? Those qualifiers are only trotted out to try to make 50+ million post-Roe abortions sound less severe.

My point was that there IS no difference ... to the unborn ... it's gone either way ... the only difference is to the person who chooses abortion ... the baby was unwanted ... yet if their pregnancy was wanted it would be sad...for them.

So ... self regard to that extent and at the expense of a life is not an ennobling human quality, is it?
 
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However I do see what you mean I think. If a miscarriage is a bad then doesn't that imply at least in some way that the fetus is more than a lump of cell tissue as many prochoicers want us to believe.
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That's right. What makes a miscarriage sad should be more than "because I lost some "thing" that I wanted" ... there should be some kind of awareness that there is inherent value in that same "thing" when it's intentionally destroyed by abortion.
 
bubbabgone said:
... abortion is simply a choice but a miscarriage is a tragedy?
Can it really be only because the baby that was miscarried may have been wanted?
Gotta be more than that, right?
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what makes your statement true? everything you said is all subjective. Im gonna need more info.

I know people who have had abortions and they feel its tragic and one person that had a very early miscarriage and they were happy.

Where do those people fit into your question?

also what about the miscarriages that happen and people dont even know they happen?
 
Objective-J said:
what makes your statement true? everything you said is all subjective. Im gonna need more info.
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My original question was intended to provoke thought ... by now it's been kind of fleshed out and it should answer your question.
 
bubbabgone said:
My original question was intended to provoke thought ... by now it's been kind of fleshed out and it should answer your question.
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im asking YOU to answer the questions, you are the OP.
It did provoke thought, i quickly thought the question makes no sense since its a made up premise.

regardless would you like to answer now?
 
Objective-J said:
im asking YOU to answer the questions, you are the OP.
It did provoke thought, i quickly thought the question makes no sense since its a made up premise.

regardless would you like to answer now?
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I did answer ... in #16 ... and #14 had it also.
And it wasn't a made up premise.
 
bubbabgone said:
Let's first agree to acknowledge instances of abortion or miscarriage due to fetus development or health problems, okay? Those qualifiers are only trotted out to try to make 50+ million post-Roe abortions sound less severe.

My point was that there IS no difference ... to the unborn ... it's gone either way ... the only difference is to the person who chooses abortion ... the baby was unwanted ... yet if their pregnancy was wanted it would be sad...for them.

So ... self regard to that extent and at the expense of a life is not an ennobling human quality, is it?
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Your statement suggests the fetus is aware of its demise. Science tells us that is factually impossible.
 
bubbabgone said:
I did answer ... in #16 ... and #14 had it also.
And it wasn't a made up premise.
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it is a made up premise because its not a true statement because your question isnt always true, it varies from person to person situation to situation.

the statement in your op as it stands is simply false :shrug:
 
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