Why would I have to explain value when I never brought it up, much less make any assertions or arguments of it? It's transparently obvious you're just trying to deflect from explaining it yourself by dishonestly trying to turn it around on me.oh no, Gordy never has explained why unborn life has no value ... or why born life has value
I doubt you'll ever see Gordy do that either - its MUCH easier to demand others do it rather than show us what belief/views/facts Gordy hold
watch and see
Oh the projection there!I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?
Yes, and I explained why in a rational and logical manner too. Ambiguous assertions like "value" doesn't even enter into the equation.and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth
Why don't you tell us what the value is then, since you're the one assigning value!I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
Why would I have to explain value when I never brought it up, much less make any assertions or arguments of it? It's transparently obvious you're just trying to deflect from explaining it yourself by dishonestly trying to turn it around on me.
Another cowardly deflection is noted. No surprise either.no, I'll wait for you and Gordy and others to explain first
1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?I want 98% of abortions or more to end - but States control their own way now
please, talk down to someone else, you can't do it to me
punishing or responsibility? I'm curious how you justify not allowing people to kill their 1 day old babies if those babies are just too much trouble to have around? Why not allow it ?
I've asked YOU what the value of life is, since YOU are the one asserting value as part of your argument. YOU have NEVER answered the question either. Why should I assign value when that has NEVER been my claim or argument? YOU are the one hung up on value, as YOU keep asserting it, but cannot explain it. I simply ask you what the value is whenever you do bring it up. And you ALWAYS dodge the question.you're asked dozens of times, you're completely and utterly hung up on what value of life is .....
and now ? you're deflecting, dodging ... you can't do it can you ? the very think you demand of me is impossible for YOU isn't it ?
1 minute old born baby - is it valuable ? yes or no and why ?
1 minute before birth baby - why does it NOT have the same value ?
can we agree you will NEVER answer the above ?
Easy. You've just described the moment of birth.I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?
and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth
I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
Specify precisely where I ever said "I dont value human life!" Otherwise, your assertion is a lie! You still haven't explained this value. Your assertion of value amounts to nothing more than saying "life is valuable because I say so." Whivh is exactly what I alluded to.and there we get to the core of all of this - you don't value human life
why not just say it and own it vs dancing around it ?
No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.you seem desperate for other people to define the value of human life for you
in fact, everyone here seems to know how valuable human life is (except Gordy) but nobody else wants to explain it - but they demand it of me ? hmmmmm aint that special
Cue more deflection and emotionalism in 3...2...1....No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.
You are the one that brought up value of life .
I am just asking you to explain your own premise.
So again.
So explain why a day old baby is valuable.
Explain its value.
it'll be interesting to see the stats in a few years and no, they're not "causing" deaths ... people making choices might lead to deaths though1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?
and to men, and to the unborn children and to the families .... its almost like sex and pregnancy is a BIG deal and shouldn't be taken lightly isn't it ?2. No condescension from me. Just facts. You seem to forget the consequences of pregnancy to women.
3. Well in some circumstances I have no problem with parents killing their one day old baby. So….
I've asked YOU what the value of life is, since YOU are the one asserting value as part of your argument. YOU have NEVER answered the question either. Why should I assign value when that has NEVER been my claim or argument? YOU are the one hung up on value, as YOU keep asserting it, but cannot explain it. I simply ask you what the value is whenever you do bring it up. And you ALWAYS dodge the question.
Easy. You've just described the moment of birth.
No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.
You are the one that brought up value of life .
I am just asking you to explain your own premise.
So again.
So explain why a day old baby is valuable.
Explain its value.
I already told you.....I did yes
why is minutes after birth a baby is so valuable and minutes before its not ? its LITERALLY the same living human being isn't it ?
yes its killing an unborn human life - you're right, we shouldn't have exceptions. I've always tried to find a bridge, compromises, that would allow for rare situations/examples and yet also protect
maybe you're right - we should have no exceptions
you have an inability to value human life, is that what I'm understanding ?? you constantly seek others to define human life for you. Its .... emotional
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Some say that human life is of unqualified value, and that it cannot be weighed against any other value. Others say that the value of human life is infinite, and that any part of life is of the same worth as any other.
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you seem desperate for other people to define the value of human life for you
in fact, everyone here seems to know how valuable human life is (except Gordy) but nobody else wants to explain it - but they demand it of me ? hmmmmm aint that special
Abortion is more unpopular than its been in 50 years. You have to admit, pro-life has won bigly in the past 4 years ...
I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?
and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth
I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
Stop with the dishonest debate tactics and deflection! You're the one making assertions or claims of value, so the onus is on YOU to explain or prove it! I'm not making your so called argument for you!you define it, stop projecting and demanding and asking and YOU do it
What makes it valuable in the first place, before or after? What's the value?I did yes
why is minutes after birth a baby is so valuable and minutes before its not ? its LITERALLY the same living human being isn't it ?
1well it seems pretty clear they are causing deaths.it'll be interesting to see the stats in a few years and no, they're not "causing" deaths ... people making choices might lead to deaths though
and to men, and to the unborn children and to the families .... its almost like sex and pregnancy is a BIG deal and shouldn't be taken lightly isn't it ?
why should you get to decide "circumstances" ? let them all choose
I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?
2. No condescension from me. Just facts. You seem to forget the consequences of pregnancy to women.
3. Well in some circumstances I have no problem with parents killing their one day old baby. So….
I already told you.....
BIRTH.
The same human being now free from the mother's body.
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