Can Condi be beaten in '08?

[thoracle]

In my opinion, Condi Rice would get nearly all of the republican votes, at least a third of black men, nearly all women, white black or other. I don't see how any Democratic candidate can survive this shift. I have heard her express a very soft pro-life position, which will take a lot of bullets from the left, she has unrivaled foreign policy experience (NSA, Sec. of State) in the current environment, she has been all over the planet expressing strong, pro-America positions and creating new diplomatic relationships, and she has no baggage or skeletons. She recently went through senate confirmation, and while she was bombarded with anti-Bush monologues and asked to defend him constantly, they were not able to get ANY dirt on her.

She is in lock step with Bush on all the issues that appeal to the conservative base, she has not said anything to my knowledge that would jeopardize that base, and at the same time, she is not a white oil exec or a born again and she is apparently honest and visibly intelligent, diplomatic and articulate. (all the bases for the left's criticisms of Bush)

How can Hillary beat her? Can any Democrat defeat her?

 

[TurkSol]

i don t thing so

 

[Stinger]

She'd be a very strong candidate for sure. Probably the candidate Hillary is most worried about running against and debating.

 

[quietrage]

If McCain runs he will win the GOP nomination and he will win the White House. Even if he does not run some of the more radical right wingers will not vote for her because of race and her sex. So to answer your question yes she can be beaten.

P.S. Can you put a poll in?

 

[Kelzie]

She will NOT run. She has NO experience running for an office. She has NEVER had to answer to the public. There is no way the Republicans would have her run for the highest office in the country. Even they are not that stupid.

 

[shuamort]

I added a poll to this thread... if there are options that should be taken out/put in, please let me know.

 

[Kandahar]

In my opinion, Condi Rice would get nearly all of the republican votes,

It would be a referendum on Bush's foreign policy, which is not too popular last I checked. Many Republicans would likely stay home or vote for a third-party candidate.

at least a third of black men,

Dream on.

nearly all women, white black or other.

This is even more unrealistic. Why would women be more inclined to vote for Rice than anyone else? Especially if she was running against Hillary Clinton?

I don't see how any Democratic candidate can survive this shift. I have heard her express a very soft pro-life position, which will take a lot of bullets from the left,

And get a lot more from the right.

she has unrivaled foreign policy experience (NSA, Sec. of State) in the current environment,

That's a liability, not an asset.

she has been all over the planet expressing strong, pro-America positions and creating new diplomatic relationships, and she has no baggage or skeletons. She recently went through senate confirmation, and while she was bombarded with anti-Bush monologues and asked to defend him constantly, they were not able to get ANY dirt on her.

She is in lock step with Bush on all the issues that appeal to the conservative base, she has not said anything to my knowledge that would jeopardize that base, and at the same time, she is not a white oil exec or a born again and she is apparently honest and visibly intelligent, diplomatic and articulate. (all the bases for the left's criticisms of Bush)

How can Hillary beat her? Can any Democrat defeat her?

Of course they can. Not only is she beatable, she isn't even a particularly strong candidate. Furthermore, she's repeatedly said that she has no interest in running for president.

 

[Tashah]

Condi would do very well all across the US political spectrum and... she's well respected internationally. She's genuine, intelligent, articulate, informed, well traveled, personable with a good sense of humor, has an impressive academic and professional portfolio, and possesses a warm smile and great dimples.

God help Hillary if they ever squared off in televised presidential debates.

 

[Hoot]

Condeleeza Rice is a liar.

If she is stupid enough to run for office, she'd be crucified by her own words.

Late Edition Sept., 8th 2002..."The aluminum tubes are really only suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs."

She then went on to strike the ultimate terror in Americans by saying basically...we don't know how soon Saddam can acquire a nuclear weapon, "but we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

This was a deliberate distortion by Rice to help justify this war for the Bush administration to the American public.

Much earlier, in that same year, our own CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency were adamant that these tubes were never meant for nuclear centrifuges, and were, in fact, designed for artillery shell casings...'2002 NIE Report.'

The one tube that the U.S. intercepted was found to be coated with a protective element...an element that would have to be removed before ever being considered as applicable for nuclear weapon making.

The Bush administration HAD intelligence reports that stated that the design, dimensions, and specs...were totally unsuitable for anything nuclear.

Saddam ordered these tubes over the internet! Hardly the act of someone trying to hide a nuclear weapons program. And you'd have to be stupid enough to believe Saddam deliberately ordered the wrong tubes.

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, they all knew these tubes were not meant for nuclear weapons, yet, they still lied to all of us. They needed to scare the American public in their need to justify this unneccesary war.

Rice lied...she's dead meat if she runs for office...she should be indicted along with Rove, Rumsfield, Cheney, and Bush.

P.S. Hillary would eat Rice alive in any debate.

 

[Kelzie]

Condi would do very well all across the US political spectrum and... she's well respected internationally. She's genuine, intelligent, articulate, informed, well traveled, personable with a good sense of humor, has an impressive academic and professional portfolio, and possesses a warm smile and great dimples.

God help Hillary if they ever squared off in televised presidential debates.

All of which is completely irrelevant since she has no experience in holding a public office.

 

[Old and wise]

By the time the shrub is finished ruining this country, no Republican will have a chance of getting in the White House.:lol:

 

[FinnMacCool]

Correction: No conservatives will have a chance of getting elected. McKain has a fighting chance I think. Or I hope. He would make a good president.

 

[Kandahar]

Correction: No conservatives will have a chance of getting elected. McKain has a fighting chance I think. Or I hope. He would make a good president.

McCain has no chance of winning the Republican primary. Perhaps he could run as an independent though (and have as good a chance as either of the other candidates since his name-recognition and fund-raising abilities would be just as good).

 

[Kandahar]

By the time the shrub is finished ruining this country, no Republican will have a chance of getting in the White House.:lol:

History would indicate that you are correct. Incumbent parties rarely win three terms in a row.

 

[Tashah]

Late Edition Sept., 8th 2002..."The aluminum tubes are really only suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs."

Every intel agency in the West made that same assessment.

All of which is completely irrelevant since she has no experience in holding a public office.

Neither did General Dwight D. Eisenhower.

 

[Kelzie]

Neither did General Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Yeah but that was 50 years ago. It's going to be a big enough change for the Republicans to run a woman, let alone one with no experience.

 

[Tashah]

Yeah but that was 50 years ago. It's going to be a big enough change for the Republicans to run a woman, let alone one with no experience.

She has plenty of experience... just no experience as an enabler.

 

[Kelzie]

She has plenty of experience... just no experience as an enabler.

Well, exactly. Honestly, I wish she would run. It would be a very shrewd move on the part of the Republicans to counter Hillary. I just don't see it happening.

 

[Tashah]

Well, exactly. Honestly, I wish she would run. It would be a very shrewd move on the part of the Republicans to counter Hillary. I just don't see it happening.

Lol, the 'enabler' line was a subtle shot at Hillary. I agree with you though... I don't think she will run in '08 for many valid reasons. That said, I still think she would make a damn good candidate at another time.

 

[Kelzie]

Lol, the 'enabler' line was a subtle shot at Hillary. I agree with you though... I don't think she will run in '08 for many valid reasons. That said, I still think she would make a damn good candidate at another time.

Sure. Except for the fact that she's a conservative. :2razz:

 

[Tashah]

Sure. Except for the fact that she's a conservative. :2razz:

A subtle shot at me? Lol. Let's see, the last Socialist elected to be president was..... ummmm..... who? Help me out here Kelz :rofl

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

A subtle shot at me? Lol. Let's see, the last Socialist elected to be president was..... ummmm..... who? Help me out here Kelz :rofl

Bill Clinton

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

History would indicate that you are correct. Incumbent parties rarely win three terms in a row.

Reagan, Reagan, Bush. FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Truman.

 

[Kandahar]

Reagan, Reagan, Bush. FDR, FDR, FDR, Truman, Truman.

I didn't say it's never happened before in the history of the republic. I said it's rare.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I didn't say it's never happened before in the history of the republic. I said it's rare.

True but who on the Dems side has a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 08 if we run Mccain, Giuliani, or Rice, Hillary won't stand a chance, actually I think we could run a chimp in a suit and he would still beat Hillary.