Can Condi be beaten in '08?

[Hoot]

Every intel agency in the West made that same assessment.

Please go back and read my post number 9 ( number 9, number 9, number 9...sorry couldn't resist...old Beatles fan)

The Bushies had intelligence from our very own intelligence agencies that stated these tubes were worthless for nuclear weapon making...I can even cite the British intel, if you like that did not believe the tubes were ever designed for nuclear weapon making.

The whole thing was a big lie, my dear,...sorry to burst your bubble about Bush.

 

[Hoot]

She has plenty of experience... just no experience as an enabler.

Rice has plenty of experience lying to the American people, so that should make her fit right in with the republican party.

 

[Hoot]

True but who on the Dems side has a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 08 if we run Mccain, Giuliani, or Rice, Hillary won't stand a chance, actually I think we could run a chimp in a suit and he would still beat Hillary.

I don't believe Bush can run for a 3rd term?

 

[Kandahar]

True but who on the Dems side has a snowballs chance in hell of winning in 08 if we run Mccain, Giuliani, or Rice, Hillary won't stand a chance, actually I think we could run a chimp in a suit and he would still beat Hillary.

On the contrary, Hillary would be a very strong candidate. Probably the strongest since her husband. Democratic and Republican politicians alike seem to think so.

McCain has no chance of winning the primary, Giuliani's chances of winning the primary are low (although I hope he does), and I doubt Rice would make a very strong candidate in the general election (and she's said she won't run).

Generally the incumbent party doesn't win three terms without a very good reason. Either they are incredibly popular (which the GOP is not) or the opposing candidate is incredibly unpopular (Hillary is average).

 

[Kelzie]

A subtle shot at me? Lol. Let's see, the last Socialist elected to be president was..... ummmm..... who? Help me out here Kelz :rofl

Lincoln was a socialist. That was a long time ago though...Anyway, Bill Clinton was a socialist at heart.

 

[Kandahar]

Lincoln was a socialist.

Spending a lot of money on guns (during a time of national emergency) is not the same thing as spending a lot of money on butter every year into the forseeable future. Even the government expenditures during the Civil War were very modest by today's standards.

That was a long time ago though...Anyway, Bill Clinton was a socialist at heart.

Hardly. Bill Clinton was a strong supporter of globalization, liberalization, and economic freedom. He was also interested in supporting programs to help the economy at home and abroad, such as NAFTA, the World Bank, the IMF, and the WTO. Last I checked, the reactionary socialist crowd hated all four.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Eisenhower was the last time a President was elected with no prior elected experience.

Condi Rice ain't no Ike.

She won't be beaten because she won't run.

Perhaps she'd get drafted as a VP, but I don't think so.

If the Demcorats' dream comes true and McCain runs, Hillary gets a second chance to steal White House silverware. That's a guarantee. I don't think McCain could carry his own state of Arizona.

Condi has experience as a flunky and a wonk. She hasn't been groomed as an executive. She'd make a terrible president. Genitals and skin color are not wise criteria to select presidents.

This makes me gag big time, but Hillary would be a better President.

Sure am glad I'll be voting Libertarian anyway.

 

[Kandahar]

If the Demcorats' dream comes true and McCain runs, Hillary gets a second chance to steal White House silverware. That's a guarantee. I don't think McCain could carry his own state of Arizona.

Actually McCain is fairly popular at home. The problem is that the majority of GOP primary voters despise him.

Condi has experience as a flunky and a wonk. She hasn't been groomed as an executive. She'd make a terrible president. Genitals and skin color are not wise criteria to select presidents.

Agreed. She's be a bad president and probably a bad presidential candidate too.

Sure am glad I'll be voting Libertarian anyway.

I just wish the LP would nominate someone who wasn't an ideologue for once, so that they could draw more attention to their issues and maybe elect some people to Congress.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Omnipotent providence has taught us the utter futility of war, we have known the bitterness of defeat and the ex haultation of triumph and from both we have learned that there can be no turning back we must go forward to preserve in peace what we have won in war. WAR! the most malignant scourge and greatest sin of mankind can no longer be controlled but only abolished we are in a new era if we do not find a new and more equitable means of solving our disputes Armageddon will be at our door . . . we have had our last chance - General MacArthur.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Omnipotent providence has taught us the utter futility of war, we have known the bitterness of defeat and the ex haultation of triumph and from both we have learned that there can be no turning back we must go forward to preserve in peace what we have won in war. WAR! the most malignant scourge and greatest sin of mankind can no longer be controlled but only abolished we are in a new era if we do not find a new and more equitable means of solving our disputes Armageddon will be at our door . . . we have had our last chance - General MacArthur.

Sorry this has no point in this thread umm, I reposted this one in the war on terror thread.

 

[Stinger]

If McCain runs he will win the GOP nomination and he will win the White House.

Versus Rice? He wouldn't have a chance.

Even if he does not run some of the more radical right wingers will not vote for her because of race and her sex.

ROFL where do you ever get that idea? I think your prejudice is showing.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Versus Rice? He wouldn't have a chance.

Beating an inexperienced woman is probably the only chance McCain has of getting the nomination.

Clearly the show to watch in 2008 is going to be the Republicans.

 

[Kandahar]

Beating an inexperienced woman is probably the only chance McCain has of getting the nomination.

Clearly the show to watch in 2008 is going to be the Republicans.

I doubt either of them would have a shot at the nomination. Even putting aside the fact that McCain is hated by many people in his own party, neither McCain nor Rice agree with the religious right on very many issues...which is kinda necessary in the Republican primary.

My money is on the GOP nominating a douchebag Jesus-freak like Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback, who will be soundly defeated by Hillary Clinton in the general election.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

My money is on the GOP nominating a douchebag Jesus-freak like Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback, who will be soundly defeated by Hillary Clinton in the general election.

Neither of those is very popular. Tom Tancredo would certainly put gasoline on the fire. There's a bunch of Republican governor's that might be interested. I hear noise about Guilianni being a good candidate, but he's a typical liberal Republican and I don't know if that would cut it.

Don't count too much on the bible humpers being an automatic shoo-in.

And don't count on the Red Queen having a magical ability to leave her baggage behind. That stuff comes on wheels now and it's tied tight to her fat ankles. I for one won't forget the picture of Hillary in her cute Vietnamese cone-head in Vietnam AFTER her election but before she'd been kicked out of the White House. She didn't have the guts to go there before the election.

The old Red Queen will stir up a lot of Vietnam vets, again. The vets are tired of the Surrender Monkeys, I think, and any Surrender Option leanings from the Democrats is going to be vocally opposed.

 

[Kandahar]

Neither of those is very popular. Tom Tancredo would certainly put gasoline on the fire.

Yes he would. But he's only a congressman, and thus wouldn't have much influence in a presidential primary. He's also gaffe-prone. Remember when he said we should nuke Mecca?

There's a bunch of Republican governor's that might be interested. I hear noise about Guilianni being a good candidate, but he's a typical liberal Republican and I don't know if that would cut it.

Agreed.

And don't count on the Red Queen having a magical ability to leave her baggage behind. That stuff comes on wheels now and it's tied tight to her fat ankles. I for one won't forget the picture of Hillary in her cute Vietnamese cone-head in Vietnam AFTER her election but before she'd been kicked out of the White House. She didn't have the guts to go there before the election.

Nothing wrong with going to Vietnam...

The old Red Queen will stir up a lot of Vietnam vets, again. The vets are tired of the Surrender Monkeys, I think, and any Surrender Option leanings from the Democrats is going to be vocally opposed.

Actually, Hillary is one of the most stauntly pro-war Democrats in the Senate. If she comes under fire for her views on Iraq, it'll be from her left flank.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

In my opinion, Condi Rice would get nearly all of the republican votes, at least a third of black men, nearly all women, white black or other. I don't see how any Democratic candidate can survive this shift. I have heard her express a very soft pro-life position, which will take a lot of bullets from the left, she has unrivaled foreign policy experience (NSA, Sec. of State) in the current environment, she has been all over the planet expressing strong, pro-America positions and creating new diplomatic relationships, and she has no baggage or skeletons. She recently went through senate confirmation, and while she was bombarded with anti-Bush monologues and asked to defend him constantly, they were not able to get ANY dirt on her.

She is in lock step with Bush on all the issues that appeal to the conservative base, she has not said anything to my knowledge that would jeopardize that base, and at the same time, she is not a white oil exec or a born again and she is apparently honest and visibly intelligent, diplomatic and articulate. (all the bases for the left's criticisms of Bush)

How can Hillary beat her? Can any Democrat defeat her?

She is a black woman who is in favor of affirmative action and who is obviously a lesbian. No way in hell would she ever even get passed the religious right (the core of the Republican Party) to even get the nomination.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Yes he would. But he's only a congressman, and thus wouldn't have much influence in a presidential primary. He's also gaffe-prone. Remember when he said we should nuke Mecca?

Sounded good to me. I figured a good tactic would be a fifty-five gallon drum with all Islamic mosques in the Islamic dominated world listed on little pieces of paper. When a suicide bomber killed anyone, a number of slips of paper would be pulled out equal to the number of dead, and those "holy places" would be obliterated without warning. Just think of all the people enjoying virgins after that. Allah might run out.

Nothing wrong with going to Vietnam...

A draft dodger...who protested US policy in the safety of Europe...while Americans were dying on the battlefield...who waits until after the election...before stopping over the visit the bars in Saigon...yeah...real appropriate.

I haven't forgotten.

Actually, Hillary is one of the most stauntly pro-war Democrats in the Senate. If she comes under fire for her views on Iraq, it'll be from her left flank.

She's not "pro-war", she's just not as "pro-stupid" as the majority of Democrats. The callouses on her conscience have callouses.

But I'm hoping the Red Queen runs. I want to see if the Republicans will continue to refuse to use the Clinton's history against them.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

She is a black woman who is in favor of affirmative action and who is obviously a lesbian. No way in hell would she ever even get passed the religious right (the core of the Republican Party) to even get the nomination.

Oh, jeez, are you stuck on irrelevant? She won't get nominated because she's not qualified. It's that simple. I do wish the Democrats would figure out that there's more to life than worrying about what other people do with their bodies.

 

[Kandahar]

Sounded good to me. I figured a good tactic would be a fifty-five gallon drum with all Islamic mosques in the Islamic dominated world listed on little pieces of paper. When a suicide bomber killed anyone, a number of slips of paper would be pulled out equal to the number of dead, and those "holy places" would be obliterated without warning. Just think of all the people enjoying virgins after that. Allah might run out.

You can't be serious. Even Tom Tancredo apologized.

A draft dodger...

Umm. Hillary Clinton is a WOMAN, according to most opinion polls. Women didn't have to dodge the draft during Vietnam, as they weren't subject to it.

who protested US policy in the safety of Europe...while Americans were dying on the battlefield...

So did many other Americans. You sound like a Vietnam War vet; if that's the case, I'm sorry to tell you that the majority of American voters simply do not share your repulsion toward people who were against that war.

who waits until after the election...before stopping over the visit the bars in Saigon...yeah...real appropriate.

Are we talking about Hillary Clinton or Jane Fonda? The Vietnam War ended 30 years ago; what's wrong with visiting Vietnam today?

I haven't forgotten.

The American people have.

She's not "pro-war", she's just not as "pro-stupid" as the majority of Democrats. The callouses on her conscience have callouses.

That's a fair subject for debate I suppose, but it'd certainly be better for her politically to tone down her pro-war rhetoric at a time when most Americans are against it. She doesn't seem to be doing that, which leads me to believe that she actually believes in this war for some crazy reason.

But I'm hoping the Red Queen runs. I want to see if the Republicans will continue to refuse to use the Clinton's history against them.

I just can't forsee the GOP nominating a strong candidate in 2008. The field looks very weak, and the only electable candidates are the ones that aren't nominatable.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

You can't be serious. Even Tom Tancredo apologized.

I'm not a suck-ass politician needing party support. I can say what's real. Certainly I'm serious. If they can get away with random acts of murder on my people, certainly they can't complain when the retaliation for their crimes works the same way. Maybe we'll get lucky and hit their mothers.

Umm. Hillary Clinton is a WOMAN, according to most opinion polls. Women didn't have to dodge the draft during Vietnam, as they weren't subject to it.

Perhaps someday you'll understand.

So did many other Americans. You sound like a Vietnam War vet; if that's the case, I'm sorry to tell you that the majority of American voters simply do not share your repulsion toward people who were against that war.

The American people are easily led. That they have no moral fiber is their problem. I will continue to point out their hypocrisy and foolishness so long as it persists. The soft-heads that protested the war in the United States are the only reason S. Vietnam finally fell.

Are we talking about Hillary Clinton or Jane Fonda? The Vietnam War ended 30 years ago; what's wrong with visiting Vietnam today?

Okay, I see a spelling lesson is needed.

Clinton, the Rapist, was also a draft dodger who claimed to despise the military. That part is probably the only true thing he's ever written. Because the Draft Dodger in Chief ran away, some other sap from his highschool had to take his place. Chances are good that person was injured or killed.

Our ignominious withdrawal was fueled by a Democrat congress flush with victory over unseating Nixon, and they declined to continue funding our responsibilities to the S. Vietnamese, which fell some two years after US troops had left the battlefield.

Because Congress forced our forces out of the area, we did not have the means to recover our MIA and to this day we have not accounted for all of them. There were thousands of MIA, many of whom were suspected to be held alive in POW camps.

Those men were abandoned because the cowards in Washington viewed them as expendable and a liability.

Clinton was one of the reasons they were left behind.

The American people have.

No. You have. Your friends have.

The people that have served haven't. Or didn't you notice the easy time Kerry was having with his war record in 2004?

That's a fair subject for debate I suppose, but it'd certainly be better for her politically to tone down her pro-war rhetoric at a time when most Americans are against it. She doesn't seem to be doing that, which leads me to believe that she actually believes in this war for some crazy reason.

The only thing the Red Queen believes in is herself and her bank account. But she knows that talking against the war now will be used against her in 2006 and 2008.

I just can't forsee the GOP nominating a strong candidate in 2008. The field looks very weak, and the only electable candidates are the ones that aren't nominatable.

Yeah, that statement makes sense:roll:

 

[Kelzie]

Oh, jeez, are you stuck on irrelevant? She won't get nominated because she's not qualified. It's that simple. I do wish the Democrats would figure out that there's more to life than worrying about what other people do with their bodies.

Man, I've been saying that for five pages. But noooo...although, I suppose I'm not a Dem, so it's okay...:lol:

 

[faminedynasty]

Condi Rice's incompetence and negligence exposed by the 9/11 commission should disqualify her from being a viable candidate. Actually it should probably disqualify her from holding any office of importance.

 

[Navy Pride]

If its Condi against Hillary then Condi would win in a landslide.......She would destroy Hillary in any debate and she would pick up at least 50% of the African American vote..........

 

[galenrox]

If it's Condi v. Clinton, I'm going third party again. condi could possibly win that election. Otherwise, there's no frickin way.

 

[galenrox]

If its Condi against Hillary then Condi would win in a landslide.......She would destroy Hillary in any debate and she would pick up at least 50% of the African American vote..........

Just a question, do you know any black people? Cause all of my black friends who know who she is hate her and don't consider her black.