Can anyone offer any Good Reason

[ttwtt78640]

No, I believe that we (the United States) are a family and families worked together for the benefit of everyone in the familyl even though some in the family are not able to do their own share of the economic duties. Everyone in a family participates in the well-being of the family but it may not be on an economic basis.

This idea that I have has been proven successful in many places such as New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Denmark and other places where the wealth is shared overall with those capable of more getting more but not to the detriment of the ones that are achieving less. A place where happiness, well being, health and other issues are as important as the economics of it.

I am not "demanding" a greater share of someone else's paycheck. What I am demanding is that people fulfill their responsabilities of being a member of a family. If you are not willing to do that, then go and buy an island of your own and do all you want.

In this family, you are enjoying the benefit of laws, buildings, roads, services, assistance when ill and sick, and of people that will do what they can for you when you are in need. You need to do the same.

Any US ctity, county or state is free to do (or at least try) that 'extended family' sysem yet, for some reason, none have elected to do so. Might the reason be that folks subjected to the addition of added 'family members' to support that just don't see the need to work to support themselves is not as appealing as you make it out to be?

 

[Luckyone]

Any US ctity, county or state is free to do (or at least try) that 'extended family' sysem yet, for some reason, none have elected to do so. Might the reason be that folks subjected to the addition of added 'family members' to support that just don't see the need to work to support themselves is not as appealing as you make it out to be?

Let me begin by giving you a guideline of what a family is:

There are many roles within a family; however, researchers have identified the following five roles as being essential for a healthy family.
• Provision of Resources
Providing resources, such as money, food, clothing, and shelter, for all family members is one of the most basic, yet important, roles within a family. This is primarily an instrumental role.
• Nurturance and Support
Nurturing and supporting other family members is primarily an affective role and includes providing comfort, warmth, and reassurance for family members. Examples of this role are a parent comforting a child after he/she has a bad day at school, or family members supporting one another after the death of a loved one.
• Life Skills Development
The life skills development role includes the physical emotional, educational, and social development of children and adults. Examples of this role are a parent helping a child make it through school, or a parent helping a young adult child decide on a career path.
• Maintenance and Management of the Family System
This fourth role involves many tasks, including leadership, decision making, handling family finances, and maintaining appropriate roles with respect to extended family, friends and neighbors. Other responsibilities of this role include maintaining discipline and enforcing behavioral standards.

Having said that, I never said it was "appealing". I don't know if you have a family and kids but if you do you would know that much of having a family is blood, sweat, and tears. Nonetheless, once you have made the decision to have a family or be part of a family, responsabilities kick in and either you fulfill them or get divorced. There is no other option.

As far as "added family members", the reality is that you really can't go around and choose who is in your family or not as long as you have already been accepted into the family unless the entire family votes to "throw one of the members out". Until that has been done democratically (and I do hope we are still a Democracy) you just need to take the good and the bad together. Its like when you get married, you promise unto God to protect, love and cherish through good or bad.

Hey, life is not all about having your cake and eating it too. There are things you may not like and think it is unfair but that is what a marriage and a family is.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Let me begin by giving you a guideline of what a family is:

There are many roles within a family; however, researchers have identified the following five roles as being essential for a healthy family.
• Provision of Resources
Providing resources, such as money, food, clothing, and shelter, for all family members is one of the most basic, yet important, roles within a family. This is primarily an instrumental role.
• Nurturance and Support
Nurturing and supporting other family members is primarily an affective role and includes providing comfort, warmth, and reassurance for family members. Examples of this role are a parent comforting a child after he/she has a bad day at school, or family members supporting one another after the death of a loved one.
• Life Skills Development
The life skills development role includes the physical emotional, educational, and social development of children and adults. Examples of this role are a parent helping a child make it through school, or a parent helping a young adult child decide on a career path.
• Maintenance and Management of the Family System
This fourth role involves many tasks, including leadership, decision making, handling family finances, and maintaining appropriate roles with respect to extended family, friends and neighbors. Other responsibilities of this role include maintaining discipline and enforcing behavioral standards.

Having said that, I never said it was "appealing". I don't know if you have a family and kids but if you do you would know that much of having a family is blood, sweat, and tears. Nonetheless, once you have made the decision to have a family or be part of a family, responsabilities kick in and either you fulfill them or get divorced. There is no other option.

As far as "added family members", the reality is that you really can't go around and choose who is in your family or not as long as you have already been accepted into the family unless the entire family votes to "throw one of the members out". Until that has been done democratically (and I do hope we are still a Democracy) you just need to take the good and the bad together. Its like when you get married, you promise unto God to protect, love and cherish through good or bad.

Hey, life is not all about having your cake and eating it too. There are things you may not like and think it is unfair but that is what a marriage and a family is.

So many words used just avoid addressing the point that I made. Why does no US city, county or state enact your 'family support" system? Before I am anywhere near ready to try (socialist?) economic experiments on a population of 330 million I would like to see that plan's actual results in a few US cities, counties or states which have implemented it first. Norway has about 5.3 million people so perhaps we should try that 'family support' system in NYC with its 8.5 million people, or Los Angeles, CA with its 4 million people first.

 

[BuzzwordBingo]

Yeah, So the left can set their hair on fire once again. They’re so f@#$ing easy. :2razz:

 

[Luckyone]

So many words used just avoid addressing the point that I made. Why does no US city, county or state enact your 'family support" system? Before I am anywhere near ready to try (socialist?) economic experiments on a population of 330 million I would like to see that plan's actual results in a few US cities, counties or states which have implemented it first. Norway has about 5.3 million people so perhaps we should try that 'family support' system in NYC with its 8.5 million people, or Los Angeles, CA with its 4 million people first.

That is certainly an experiment that could and perhaps should be tried but it isn't anything that we on this board can decide on. We were supposed to be arguing in general about family and the responsabilities associated with it. We are a family "now" and as such, we should all act as one, whether we like it or not.