Calls for Fox News to be turned off on military bases..........

[EMNofSeattle]

And at the day, you never served but you want your stupid high school track times noted. Alrighty then. Everyone who actually served is laughing at you.

I know plenty of people who were in the military when women were being integrated in the 80s. Everyone who wasn’t indoctrinated into the false idea that women actually benefit the service was totally opposed to it. If you talk to people who were in during the 80s you quickly realize it was terrible. Women were always getting pregnant, going out on medical leave, leaving men unable to get leave in many cases, there was drama from sexual liasons, allegations of sexual assault, sexual assault in the military would be a non issue if women were either not admitted or admitted only for limited women only roles. What happens now is that men who tell the truth lose their careers and won’t advance.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Let me know when you get into this kind of shape then you can talk.


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So when my argument was that women are not as physically capable as Men and your retort is to admonish me for not being as strong as other men? I will accept your admission of defeat.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I thought the RW was pro military? To think that they would not support whomever is willing to die for their country is odd.
Trans, gay, women, whatever. All should be able to serve in the military if they meet the requirements.

The right and for that matter most Americans absolutely support the military. However that does not require everyone to agree word for word with one politicized Sargent Major who was out of place going public over anything said on Fox News or any other channel. It's not the usual habit of the military to get into public spats with news media personalities.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No idea who and what they are? So why not give them the benefit of the doubt?

What doubt should we give them? The fact these people are overweight and clearly not physically strong limits their utility.

a man could be billeted in these women’s place, be stronger and likely more competent and be more flexible into more roles. What possible benefit can come here? Maybe these sailors are in the top quartile of intelligence, but there’s far more men with 110 plus IQs then women so even there, you can have a 110 man who’s also stronger,

people who advocate things like open all careers to women like to claim women can do these jobs just fine, that may be true, but the question is always, compared to what? What can a woman do in the navy that an equally educated man cannot? The answer is nothing.
What drawbacks do women bring? Less strength, less flexibility, more need for medical leave, disruptions in society when they have kids because either the kid will need to go months without seeing mom if she’s deployed or she is not deployed whereas a man couldve been, the social drawbacks of having women in the service with regards to partying, alcohol, sexual assault allegations, distractions from work.

the Pros column for women in the military: as competent as a man, maybe, results may vary

The cons column: extensive

 

[MAGAnificent]

Considering the link between members of the military and white supremacy groups and private militias, the military should stop broadcasting Fox News.

Burned any books lately?

 

[Port & Starboard]

The army is 17% female. Tucker attacking them the way he does can damage their morale and that damages the army as a whole.

The military leadership had no problem going along with the media's fear mongering of military active duty white males being white supremacists. They didn't even try being honest about it. Even though almost all of the ones they have exposed are "weekend warriors" from the individual state(s) National Guard Units made up of Billy Bob's.

I can't speak for the Army, but I do know that the Navy & Marines don't put up with openly racist members. They would be kicked off the ship at the next port call and sent back to the states to prevent them from a serious ass beating.

 

[Port & Starboard]

I know plenty of people who were in the military when women were being integrated in the 80s. Everyone who wasn’t indoctrinated into the false idea that women actually benefit the service was totally opposed to it. If you talk to people who were in during the 80s you quickly realize it was terrible. Women were always getting pregnant, going out on medical leave, leaving men unable to get leave in many cases, there was drama from sexual liasons, allegations of sexual assault, sexual assault in the military would be a non issue if women were either not admitted or admitted only for limited women only roles. What happens now is that men who tell the truth lose their careers and won’t advance.

I was on the USS Fulton AS-11(submarine tender) in the early 80's while the ship transitioned to 15% females. I think Fulton had a crew of 900.

The entire Navy was opening up Sub Tenders, Destroyer Tenders, Tug Boats, Auxiliary ships, and utility craft to women.

A good many of the females intentionally got pregnant to avoid deployments and openly bragged about it.

If the female was having her period and didn't like the work that she was doing that particular day(s), all they had to do was go to sick bay and get the rest of the day off.

Another serious problem the Navy had was shore duty billets being filled up with females. Male sailors that previously had a 4/2 sea/shore rotation all of a sudden went to 5 years sea and 2 shore because the females were taking up the shore billets and the divorce rates were going through the roof.

There was a lot of resentment back then.

The Navy knew it had a problem and did nothing for another 6-7 years

 

[MAGAnificent]

The military leadership had no problem going along with the media's fear mongering of military active duty white males being white supremacists. They didn't even try being honest about it. Even though almost all of the ones they have exposed are "weekend warriors" from the individual state(s) National Guard Units made up of Billy Bob's.

I can't speak for the Army, but I do know that the Navy & Marines don't put up with openly racist members. They would be kicked off the ship at the next port call and sent back to the states to prevent them from a serious ass beating.

I can speak for the Army. Like the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, they ditched institutional racism even before the segregation era in the US south ended.

 

[BahamaBob]

I can speak for the Army. Like the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, they ditched institutional racism even before the segregation era in the US south ended.

The only color we had was green.

 

[dave8383]

So when my argument was that women are not as physically capable as Men and your retort is to admonish me for not being as strong as other men? I will accept your admission of defeat.

Your post indicates you're not dialed in. This thread isn't about women joining infantry units. However, when you've been in a combat infantry unit, and know what that takes, I'll listen to your opinion on women and their service.

 

[dave8383]

Israel still only uses women to free up men for actual combat duty.

Again, no one has said women should or shouldn't be in infantry units. Although Israeli women are in lighter infantry units, such as guarding the Israeli border.

IDF infantry instructor:

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your post indicates you're not dialed in. This thread isn't about women joining infantry units. However, when you've been in a combat infantry unit, and know what that takes, I'll listen to your opinion on women and their service.

You’re not making an argument at all, why waste time even responding if you are not going to make an argument?

 

[dave8383]

You’re not making an argument at all,.............................

How would you know? You're posting nonsense about IQ scores.

 

[ataraxia]

Oooooh poor little babies today need a "safe space", then why did they join the military?

In my father's day, a safe space was a foxhole. And even it wast that safe.

Protecting soldiers from mean Tucker Carlson sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

Seditionista should not be preaching to the military.

 

[cpwill]

Let me know when you get into this kind of shape then you can talk.


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I was Marine Corps Infantry for years. If you want to discuss the rigors of the job, the historical issues that have arisen when integrating women into front line infantry units, or some of the science behind that, I'm willing, but, you aren't gonna like it, I think.

 

[cpwill]

Again, no one has said women should or shouldn't be in infantry units. Although Israeli women are in lighter infantry units, such as guarding the Israeli border.

IDF infantry instructor:

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It is an all-female unit guarding the border with Egypt. I'm happy to agree to an all female infantry unit if they are used only to guard the Canadian border from invasion.

Israel had gender-integrated combat units. Like everyone else who has tried them, they discovered they were:

A) better than having nobody, and
B) less effective than all male units, meaning they took higher casualties and we're less lethal.

 

[bearpoker]

The military leadership had no problem going along with the media's fear mongering of military active duty white males being white supremacists. They didn't even try being honest about it. Even though almost all of the ones they have exposed are "weekend warriors" from the individual state(s) National Guard Units made up of Billy Bob's.

I can't speak for the Army, but I do know that the Navy & Marines don't put up with openly racist members. They would be kicked off the ship at the next port call and sent back to the states to prevent them from a serious ass beating.

It's gratifying to hear that the Navy takes a stand against racism. I don't consider it fear mongering to point out that many of those who stormed the capitol were veterans of the military and some were in the National Guard. Do you have any evidence that this is untrue? Also, it's an irrelevant deflection from the topic.

 

[dave8383]

It is an all-female unit guarding the border with Egypt.

I don't believe so. I think it's mixed.

Caracal Battalion
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The 33rd "Caracal" Battalion is an infantry combat battalion of the Israel Defense Forces, one of the three fully combat units in the Israeli military's Paran Brigade that is composed of both male and female soldiers. It is named after the caracal, a small cat whose sexes appear the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion

 

[dave8383]

I was Marine Corps Infantry for years. If you want to discuss the rigors of the job, the historical issues that have arisen when integrating women into front line infantry units, or some of the science behind that, I'm willing, but, you aren't gonna like it, I think.

Look man, no one is arguing on this thread for women in infantry units. If they were though I would suggest they try integrating 0311s first, it's a lot easier than being an 11B.

Just kidding

 

[Tigerace117]

I can speak for the Army. Like the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, they ditched institutional racism even before the segregation era in the US south ended.

There were lots of problems with racism throughout the Vietnam War, actually.

“Overt racism was typical in American bases in Vietnam. Although initially uncommon at the start of the war, after the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., over racism occured as a higher rate.[3] Following the assassination, some White troops at Cam Ranh Base wore Ku Klux Klan robes and paraded around the base.[6][10]:183

At least three instances of cross burning were confirmed to have happened.[11] Da Nang Air Base flew the Confederate flag for three days in response.[11][6] In addition to being used in response to King's murder, Confederate flags and icons were commonly painted on jeeps, tanks, and helicopters; bathroom graffiti proclaimed that African Americans, not the Vietnamese, were the real enemy. Black troops were discouraged from taking pride in Black identity, with one troop ordered to remove a "Black is beautiful" poster from his locker.[6]

Following complaints from African American soldiers, Confederate flags were briefly banned but soon allowed after resistance from Southern politicians objected.[3] Black identity publications and speeches were restricted, with some commanders banning recordings of speeches by Malcolm X or the newspaper The Black Panther.[10] Despite segregation being abolished in the military, it still affected troops.[4]

According to journalists Wallace Terry and Zalin Grant by 1968, racial incidents in Danang, Cam Ranh Bay, Dong Tam, Saigon, and Bien Hoa happened on an "almost daily basis" and had become "commonplace". Similar reports came from official channels with there being at least 33 incidents of racial violence in the two months between December 1969 and January 1970. In 1970 there were 1,060 reported cases of violent racial conflict.[3]

Racial incidents also affected the navy and air force. Following King's death race riots and conflicts occurred at Long Binh jail and Camp Lejuene. The former was the worst race riot in the U.S. army's history and the latter garnered national attention due to 44 African-American soldiers being arrested but no white soldiers. It also inspired an investigation and creation of a committee to study racial bias and African American militancy in the armed forces.[5] Grant once claimed that the "biggest threat" to the U.S. military was "race riots, not the Vietcong."[3]

Military history of African Americans in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[iguanaman]

Oh soo, former military shouldn't have the right to protest. I guess they haven't earned it.

No American has the right to mount an armed insurrection. It's treason and 100's of them are going to jail for it.

 

[Lovebug]

What doubt should we give them? The fact these people are overweight and clearly not physically strong limits their utility.

a man could be billeted in these women’s place, be stronger and likely more competent and be more flexible into more roles. What possible benefit can come here? Maybe these sailors are in the top quartile of intelligence, but there’s far more men with 110 plus IQs then women so even there, you can have a 110 man who’s also stronger,

people who advocate things like open all careers to women like to claim women can do these jobs just fine, that may be true, but the question is always, compared to what? What can a woman do in the navy that an equally educated man cannot? The answer is nothing.
What drawbacks do women bring? Less strength, less flexibility, more need for medical leave, disruptions in society when they have kids because either the kid will need to go months without seeing mom if she’s deployed or she is not deployed whereas a man couldve been, the social drawbacks of having women in the service with regards to partying, alcohol, sexual assault allegations, distractions from work.

the Pros column for women in the military: as competent as a man, maybe, results may vary

The cons column: extensive

I really don't see the point replying to this, but here it is.

 

[BahamaBob]

No American has the right to mount an armed insurrection. It's treason and 100's of them are going to jail for it.

If you think hundreds will go to jail you are a tard. It was no more an insurrection than the taking of a Federal Court House in Portland.

While I don't approve of the actions. All but a few were peaceful and left when told to. As for armed, the only person who was shot was shot by a guard.

 

[armycowboy]

If you think hundreds will go to jail you are a tard. It was no more an insurrection than the taking of a Federal Court House in Portland.

While I don't approve of the actions. All but a few were peaceful and left when told to. As for armed, the only person who was shot was shot by a guard.

It was a Capitol Hill police officer, not a guard.

 

[BahamaBob]

It was a Capitol Hill police officer, not a guard.

Whatever, wasn't a protestor.