California's economy and "liberalism"

[Dittohead not!]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.


and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics. It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

[h=2]Cognitive dissonance[/h]

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs,

 

[Spartacus FPV]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.

Do you think it fair to compare an American state to a European nation economically? That's apples to apples to you?

and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics.

You do? Where? I googled the exact term and couldn't find anything newer than 2012.

It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

A forum post is your anecdote? Okay... which one. Did your reply to it really warrant its own thread?

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

I don't think it is, I'd have to see the post you're referring to really.

I have heard of people talk about capital flight to more business friendly states, or debt concerns, but never "going down the tubes" as if someone were under the impression the economy was in recession or default.

 

[YorkshirePete]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.


and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics. It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

Cal daughter who started a $150mm business and daughters in med school don't seem to mind
Ah these commies.....sometimes fascist commies if you want a real laugh

 

[joG]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.


and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics. It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

It sounds to me that your question might me a little too simple.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.


and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics. It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

It's a case of laziness and letting others do their thinking for them.

Cons try to make California out to be a 3rd world country even though Cali. has something like the 5-6 largest economy in the WORLD. It is a perfect example of Cons sitting in front of their TV's listening to the liars and idiots on Fox telling them how bad CA..is.. The Cons refuse to think for themselves and do their own research. They're lazy.

 

[Master PO]

Gov. Jerry Brown Calls California Taxpayers “Freeloaders”

Gov. Jerry Brown Calls California Taxpayers "Freeloaders"

 

[Dittohead not!]

Do you think it fair to compare an American state to a European nation economically? That's apples to apples to you?

Yes. Production of goods and services are what they are, whether it occurs in a state or a nation.

You do? Where? I googled the exact term and couldn't find anything newer than 2012.

Mostly in this forum, particularly in the derailed thread about whether Trump has Alzheimers.

A forum post is your anecdote? Okay... which one. Did your reply to it really warrant its own thread?



I don't think it is, I'd have to see the post you're referring to really.

I have heard of people talk about capital flight to more business friendly states, or debt concerns, but never "going down the tubes" as if someone were under the impression the economy was in recession or default.

If capital really is fleeing to more business friendly states, then that would put a serious damper on production in California.

But, you got me: I did use a bit of exaggeration.

 

[Geoist]

Do you think it fair to compare an American state to a European nation economically? That's apples to apples to you?

Apples to apples:

 

[phattonez]

California has a greater GDP than either France, Italy, India, Brazil, Canada, or any other state of the union.


and yet I keep reading about how California is going down the tubes economically due to "liberal" politics. It was even called a "Communist state" in another thread.

Why do you think that is? Sounds to me like a case of cognitive dissonance.

California has a population of 39 million. That would make it the 36th largest country in the world. It's huge, and it has fantastic farmland and tech operations.

Compared to the world it is a fantastic place. Compared to the rest of the US? Not so much.

 

[phattonez]

Apples to apples:

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Apples to apples:

 

[Dittohead not!]

Apples to apples:

So, it's #11 out of fifty, not too bad for the most populous state of the union.

 

[phattonez]

So, it's #11 out of fifty, not too bad for the most populous state of the union.

Not that good for the state with the highest population of illegals.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Not that good for the state with the highest population of illegals.

I'm not sure whether t hat characterization is correct or not, but there are plenty of illegals still here. There aren't as many as there were back when amnesty was passed, but there are quite a few.

California has its share of welfare slugs as well, many of them from other states.

Those two together may be why California isn't #1 in GDP per capita as well as in overall GDP.

Bring back the Bear Flag Republic, and it would be a nation with a larger population and a stronger economy than Canada, and Canada seems to be doing quite well on its own. The new nation could make it more difficult for immigrants from the US to come with no means of support.

 

[Geoist]

Apples to apples:

11th out of 50 ain't bad for a bunch of commies.

Of course, the most conservative state is 50th. :lol:

 

[phattonez]

11th out of 50 ain't bad for a bunch of commies.

Of course, the most conservative state is 50th. :lol:

When GDP can easily be inflated by government spending, it's not exactly a great method of looking at personal wealth. For instance, a lot the supposed wealth of California is offset by this:

This explains why so many people have been leaving the state.

 

[Dittohead not!]

When GDP can easily be inflated by government spending, it's not exactly a great method of looking at personal wealth. For instance, a lot the supposed wealth of California is offset by this:

This explains why so many people have been leaving the state.

Then, what explains the 39 million population?

 

[Kushinator]

Not that good for the state with the highest population of illegals.

The mental acrobatics are strong with this one.

In response to a chart depicting California's economy being the largest in the nation, he presents a chart showing California being 11th in per capita production. When it is pointed out that 11th out of 50 is pretty admirable, especially when we consider California has the largest population of any state in the union, he responds with tangent on illegals. When that didn't work... perhaps a go at affordability!!!! :lol:



Phattonez's track record of predicting economic events:

Wherein Phattonez demonstrates that another bubble is about to burst

The Best Time to Buy Gold in the Past 50 Years?

So the Global Economy is aAbout to Crash Again

John Williams portends hyperinflation in 2014

Threat of Inflation: where is it?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/81605-general-slump-maybe-not-really.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/76577-double-dip-housing.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/211531-high-yield-credit-better-not-right-post1064076547.html#post1064076547

 

[phattonez]

Then, what explains the 39 million population?

Ample benefits, nice weather, lots of infrastructure. High population doesn't mean that a place is nice to live. Look at India.

 

[phattonez]

The mental acrobatics are strong with this one.

In response to a chart depicting California's economy being the largest in the nation, he presents a chart showing California being 11th in per capita production. When it is pointed out that 11th out of 50 is pretty admirable, especially when we consider California has the largest population of any state in the union, he responds with tangent on illegals. When that didn't work... perhaps a go at affordability!!!! :lol:

Because having a significant population of illegals who aren't counted in your population doesn't inflate your state GDP? Come on now, you're smarter than this.

Phattonez's track record of predicting economic events:

Wherein Phattonez demonstrates that another bubble is about to burst

The Best Time to Buy Gold in the Past 50 Years?

So the Global Economy is aAbout to Crash Again

John Williams portends hyperinflation in 2014

Threat of Inflation: where is it?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/81605-general-slump-maybe-not-really.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/76577-double-dip-housing.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/211531-high-yield-credit-better-not-right-post1064076547.html#post1064076547

Obsessive much?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

The mental acrobatics are strong with this one.

In response to a chart depicting California's economy being the largest in the nation, he presents a chart showing California being 11th in per capita production. When it is pointed out that 11th out of 50 is pretty admirable, especially when we consider California has the largest population of any state in the union, he responds with tangent on illegals. When that didn't work... perhaps a go at affordability!!!! :lol:



Phattonez's track record of predicting economic events:

Wherein Phattonez demonstrates that another bubble is about to burst

The Best Time to Buy Gold in the Past 50 Years?

So the Global Economy is aAbout to Crash Again

John Williams portends hyperinflation in 2014

Threat of Inflation: where is it?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/81605-general-slump-maybe-not-really.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/76577-double-dip-housing.html

https://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/211531-high-yield-credit-better-not-right-post1064076547.html#post1064076547

I liked the GSP chart. The fact that DC leads the pack by a long way says what that raw GSP measure is worth. Maybe both GDP and GSP should be adjusted with other variables before using?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Ample benefits, nice weather, lots of infrastructure. High population doesn't mean that a place is nice to live. Look at India.

It doesn't exactly indicate people are leaving either.

 

[phattonez]

It doesn't exactly indicate people are leaving either.

They are.

Check out the white population of the state. They are not just falling as a percentage of the population, but by raw numbers as well. When you look at Los Angeles alone, the trend is significantly worse.

 

[Kushinator]

Because having a significant population of illegals who aren't counted in your population doesn't inflate your state GDP? Come on now, you're smarter than this.

Say they make up 10% (3.9 million) of the state's population and represent $180 billion (7.4%) of the states economy.

How much is changed on an absolute and per-capita basis? :lol:

Obsessive much?

We go way back and i have a good memory. So when i do see you in a thread spewing nonsense, it reminds me that you're still the same boy who refuses to grow up. You are smarter than this.

 

[Kushinator]

I liked the GSP chart. The fact that DC leads the pack by a long way says what that raw GSP measure is worth. Maybe both GDP and GSP should be adjusted with other variables before using?

It was gross state product per capita, which is essentially the same thing as gross domestic product per capita.

 

[ataraxia]

They are.

Check out the white population of the state. They are not just falling as a percentage of the population, but by raw numbers as well. When you look at Los Angeles alone, the trend is significantly worse.

This has more to do with lower birth rates than white flight.