California's brown signs bill permitting non-physician abortions [W:307]

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

"Gov. Jerry Brown of California signed AB 154 on Wednesday, legalizing non-physician abortions in the state.

The legislation, which had been pushed vigorously by Planned Parenthood, had been strongly opposed by pro-life groups and some physicians, arguing that it amounted to legalizing back-alley abortions for profit.

In a statement, Gov. Brown boasted that AB 154 was one of seven bills signed Tuesday "to support the health and well-being of women in California."
California's Brown Signs Bill Permitting Non-Physician Abortions

Lets see. The liberals policies thrown many women out of work and prevent many of them from finding work and require many others of them to take an hours cut. But that's not enough for the liberals. For years they have yelled about preventing back alley abortions and they needed to be conducted legally by doctors. Well, here's progress the liberal way. Take a bad idea, make it worse and then call it a success.

Wiseone · Oct 10, 2013

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Breitbart...

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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Wiseone said:
Breitbart...

Had nothing to do with what brown and the liberal democrats did.

Slyfox696 · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
For years they have yelled about preventing back alley abortions and they needed to be conducted legally by doctors. Well, here's progress the liberal way. Take a bad idea, make it worse and then call it a success.

The law said:
This bill would instead make it a public offense, punishable by a fine not exceeding $10,000 or imprisonment, or both, for a person to perform an abortion if the person does not have a valid license to practice as a physician and surgeon, except that it would not be a public offense for a person to perform an abortion by medication or aspiration techniques in the first trimester of pregnancy if he or she holds a license or certificate authorizing him or her to perform the functions necessary for an abortion by medication or aspiration techniques. The bill would also require a nurse practitioner, certified nurse-midwife, or physician assistant to complete training, as specified, and to comply with standardized procedures or protocols, as specified, in order to perform an abortion by aspiration techniques, and would indefinitely authorize a nurse practitioner, certified nurse-midwife, or physician assistant who completed a specified training program and achieved clinical competency to continue to perform abortions by aspiration techniques. The bill would delete the references to a nonsurgical abortion and would delete the restrictions on assisting with abortion procedures. The bill would also make technical, nonsubstantive changes.

Bill Text: CA AB154 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Enrolled | LegiScan

Once more, the attempt at creating hysteria doesn't come close to matching the truth.

iliveonramen · Oct 10, 2013

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Giving California women more access to abortion, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Wednesday that allows nurse practitioners and certain other non-physicians to perform the procedure during the first trimester of pregnancy.

Assemblywoman Toni Atkins (D-San Diego) introduced the abortion measure because of concern that not enough physicians perform abortions, especially in rural areas, to meet the needs of women seeking to terminate a pregnancy.

"Timely access to reproductive health services is critical to women's health," Atkins said in a statement. "AB 154 will ensure that no woman has to travel excessively long distances or wait for long periods in order to obtain an early abortion."

A January study by UC San Francisco that involved 8,000 abortions performed by non-physicians found that their complication rates were statistically about the same as for those performed by doctors.

Just a couple of relevant portions from the LA Times article.
Gov. Jerry Brown signs bill to increase access to abortions - latimes.com

So basically it's not "back alley abortions" it's nurse practitioners...and studies have shown that abortions provided by them are just as safe as those practiced by physicians.

Chaddelamancha · Oct 10, 2013

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How is it a war on Women when all this does is give woman a safe and legal choice concering their body. If only every war was this bad.

Grant · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
"Gov. Jerry Brown of California signed AB 154 on Wednesday, legalizing non-physician abortions in the state.

The legislation, which had been pushed vigorously by Planned Parenthood, had been strongly opposed by pro-life groups and some physicians, arguing that it amounted to legalizing back-alley abortions for profit.

In a statement, Gov. Brown boasted that AB 154 was one of seven bills signed Tuesday "to support the health and well-being of women in California."
California's Brown Signs Bill Permitting Non-Physician Abortions

Lets see. The liberals policies thrown many women out of work and prevent many of them from finding work and require many others of them to take an hours cut. But that's not enough for the liberals. For years they have yelled about preventing back alley abortions and they needed to be conducted legally by doctors. Well, here's progress the liberal way. Take a bad idea, make it worse and then call it a success.

It's a war on babies as well.

iguanaman · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
"Gov. Jerry Brown of California signed AB 154 on Wednesday, legalizing non-physician abortions in the state.

The legislation, which had been pushed vigorously by Planned Parenthood, had been strongly opposed by pro-life groups and some physicians, arguing that it amounted to legalizing back-alley abortions for profit.

In a statement, Gov. Brown boasted that AB 154 was one of seven bills signed Tuesday "to support the health and well-being of women in California."
California's Brown Signs Bill Permitting Non-Physician Abortions

Lets see. The liberals policies thrown many women out of work and prevent many of them from finding work and require many others of them to take an hours cut. But that's not enough for the liberals. For years they have yelled about preventing back alley abortions and they needed to be conducted legally by doctors. Well, here's progress the liberal way. Take a bad idea, make it worse and then call it a success.

Most abortions today are done with a pill. The idea that you need to be a doctor to hand someone a pill is comical. Do you even hear your own words?

Redress · Oct 10, 2013

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Well this thread backfired badly. Hard to believe conservatives would distort "news"...

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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Slyfox696 said:
Bill Text: CA AB154 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Enrolled | LegiScan

Once more, the attempt at creating hysteria doesn't come close to matching the truth.

The truth from a planned parenthood site as to some of the risks to women who undergo an aspiration abortion: allergic reaction, infection, ectopic pregnancy, blood clots, damage to cervix, organ injury and death. Yep, planned parenthood created that "hysteria". To bad they don't focus the women on it who think they want to murder their babies.

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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iguanaman said:
Most abortions today are done with a pill. The idea that you need to be a doctor to hand someone a pill is comical. Do you even hear your own words?

You fail. An aspiration abortion is not a pill.

Redress · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
The truth from a planned parenthood site as to some of the risks to women who undergo an aspiration abortion: allergic reaction, infection, ectopic pregnancy, blood clots, damage to cervix, organ injury and death. Yep, planned parenthood created that "hysteria". To bad they don't focus the women on it who think they want to murder their babies.

Which explains why the law requires trained medical professionals...

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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Redress said:
Well this thread backfired badly. Hard to believe conservatives would distort "news"...

Not at all. The murder by abortion supporters just like to "distort news".

Dittohead not! · Oct 10, 2013

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Slyfox696 said:
Bill Text: CA AB154 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Enrolled | LegiScan

Once more, the attempt at creating hysteria doesn't come close to matching the truth.

Does it ever?

Redress · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
Not at all. The murder by abortion supporters just like to "distort news".

Funny, in this case it was you and your source...

AGENT J · Oct 10, 2013

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Wow theres not a lot of OPs that fail and get destroyed so quickly on their very first page.
THAT was funny.

Anyway as long as this follows FDA and other medical org guidelines as other drugs/procedures its always good to allow people greater access, again as long as it follows the same regulations as other meds/procedures of its kind.

I see ZERO wrong here and women are GAINING, not losing. Wow what a failed thread.

MaggieD · Oct 10, 2013

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Wiseone said:
Breitbart...

So what? The story is true.

I cannot imagine why on earth California would enact such legislation. My bet? Done at the behest of clinics who want to hire cheaper help than a licensed physician. This isn't protecting women; this is putting them in the hands of people who are not equipped to recognize a complication when they see it happening . . . and not knowing what to do when something untoward does happen.

I am simply amazed that the AMA didn't fight this right to the wall.

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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Redress said:
Which explains why the law requires trained medical professionals...

Right, right. That's why one of the excuses used by those pushing for this was women were having a little trouble finding doctors to do this. So the did the logical thing that provides for a woman's best care, that took a step down in the level of service, skill and expertise. When a woman is laying there on the table when complications arise she'll know she has "trained medical professional" wondering what to do next instead of a doctor. That has to be reassuring to her.

ItAin'tFree · Oct 10, 2013

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Redress said:
Funny, in this case it was you and your source...

Funny. It's you and the other murder supporters. Bad enough you want to kill off babies, now you don't much care what happens to the woman.

AGENT J · Oct 10, 2013

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MaggieD said:
So what? The story is true.

I cannot imagine why on earth California would enact such legislation. My bet? Done at the behest of clinics who want to hire cheaper help than a licensed physician. This isn't protecting women; this is putting them in the hands of people who are not equipped to recognize a complication when they see it happening . . . and not knowing what to do when something untoward does happen.

I am simply amazed that the AMA didn't fight this right to the wall.

thats because like i suggested this probably doesnt do anything at all that the FDA and other medical orgs dont already allow.
SO theres nothign to fight, that seemed obvious to me because the state couldnt pass this if it went against the FDA and other medical orgs, it doesnt work that way

this is what i found from PP

Assembly Bill 154 will address the current shortage of health care professionals able to provide early abortion care in California. It will authorize trained Nurse Practitioners (NPs), Certified Nurse Midwives (CNMs) and Physician Assistants (PAs) to provide comprehensive first trimester abortion care, which is within the scope of their licenses.

AB 154:

Expands access to early abortion services in California
Reflects the best scientific research
Minimizes targeted statutory regulation of abortion

Sponsor Organizations:
ACLU
ACCESS Women’s Health Justice
Black Women for Wellness
California Latinas for Reproductive Justice
NARAL Pro-Choice California
Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California

Supporting Organizations:
ACT for Women and Girls of Tulare County
Bay Area Communities for Health Education
California Church IMPACT
California Family Health Council
Cardea Institute
Center on Reproductive Rights and Justice
Choice USA
Forward Together
Fresno Barrios Unidos
National Health Law Program
Nevada County Citizens For Choice
Physicians for Reproductive Choice & Health
Women's Community Clinic
Women's Health Specialists of California

so the OP is a complete failure, joke and farse

its just like i said:
"as long as this follows FDA and other medical org guidelines as other drugs/procedures its always good to allow people greater access, again as long as it follows the same regulations as other meds/procedures of its kind.

I see ZERO wrong here and women are GAINING, not losing"

but again id be right with you mags IF this bill did something to side step FDA and medical regulations or drugs/procedures of this kind. Then that would be BAD and not good at all.

AGENT J · Oct 10, 2013

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ItAin'tFree said:
Right, right. That's why one of the excuses used by those pushing for this was women were having a little trouble finding doctors to do this. So the did the logical thing that provides for a woman's best care, that took a step down in the level of service, skill and expertise. When a woman is laying there on the table when complications arise she'll know she has "trained medical professional" wondering what to do next instead of a doctor. That has to be reassuring to her.

well you just further proved you have no clue what you are talking about, the people allowed to do this all have the training and are licensed to do so. FAIL

CanadaJohn · Oct 10, 2013

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Wiseone said:
Breitbart...

I'm curious - why is it always necessary to attack the messenger rather than the veracity of the message?

If you're challenging the message, do so - personally, I'd be interested.

CanadaJohn · Oct 10, 2013

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iguanaman said:
Most abortions today are done with a pill. The idea that you need to be a doctor to hand someone a pill is comical. Do you even hear your own words?

Funny, I seem to recall a recent murder trial in which a non-doctor gave a woman an abortion pill and all the pro-choicers were saying that unless the pill was given in the right process, along with other medications, the woman could suffer serious pain and potentially death.

I'm not a zealot on either side of the argument, but I have to say that this is one issue where the truth seldom sees the light of day.

AGENT J · Oct 10, 2013

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heres a link to the actual bill: Bill Text: CA AB154 | 2013-2014 | Regular Session | Enrolled | LegiScan

heres some blurbs from it

AB 154, Atkins. Abortion.
Existing law makes it a public offense, punishable by a fine not
exceeding $10,000 or imprisonment, or both, for a person to perform
or assist in performing a surgical abortion if the person does not
have a valid license to practice as a physician and surgeon, or to
assist in performing a surgical abortion without a valid license or
certificate obtained in accordance with some other law that
authorizes him or her to perform the functions necessary to assist in
performing a surgical abortion. Existing law also makes it a public
offense, punishable by a fine not exceeding $10,000 or imprisonment,
or both, for a person to perform or assist in performing a
nonsurgical abortion if the person does not have a valid license to
practice as a physician and surgeon or does not have a valid license
or certificate obtained in accordance with some other law authorizing
him or her to perform or assist in performing the functions
necessary for a nonsurgical abortion. Under existing law, nonsurgical
abortion includes termination of pregnancy through the use of
pharmacological agents.
Existing law, the Nursing Practice Act, provides for the licensure
and regulation of registered nurses, including nurse practitioners
and certified nurse-midwives, by the Board of Registered Nursing.
Existing law, the Physician Assistant Practice Act, provides for the
licensure and regulation of physician assistants by the Physician
Assistant Board within the jurisdiction of the Medical Board of
California.

WHAT CHANGES
This bill would instead make it a public offense, punishable by a
fine not exceeding $10,000 or imprisonment, or both, for a person to
perform an abortion if the person does not have a valid license to
practice as a physician and surgeon, except that it would not be a
public offense for a person to perform an abortion by medication or
aspiration techniques in the first trimester of pregnancy if he or
she holds a license or certificate authorizing him or her to perform
the functions necessary for an abortion by medication or aspiration
techniques. The bill would also require a nurse practitioner,
certified nurse-midwife, or physician assistant to complete training,
as specified, and to comply with standardized procedures or
protocols, as specified, in order to perform an abortion by
aspiration techniques, and would indefinitely authorize a nurse
practitioner, certified nurse-midwife, or physician assistant who
completed a specified training program and achieved clinical
competency to continue to perform abortions by aspiration techniques.
The bill would delete the references to a nonsurgical abortion and
would delete the restrictions on assisting with abortion procedures.
The bill would also make technical, nonsubstantive changes.
Because the bill would change the definition of crimes, the bill
would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.

MaggieD · Oct 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
thats because like i suggested this probably doesnt do anything at all that the FDA and other medical orgs dont already allow.
SO theres nothign to fight, that seemed obvious to me because if the state couldnt pass this if it went against the FDA and other medical orgs, it doesnt work that way

this is what i found from PP

Assembly Bill 154 will address the current shortage of health care professionals able to provide early abortion care in California. It will authorize trained Nurse Practitioners (NPs), Certified Nurse Midwives (CNMs) and Physician Assistants (PAs) to provide comprehensive first trimester abortion care, which is within the scope of their licenses.

AB 154:

Expands access to early abortion services in California
Reflects the best scientific research
Minimizes targeted statutory regulation of abortion

Sponsor Organizations:
ACLU
ACCESS Women’s Health Justice
Black Women for Wellness
California Latinas for Reproductive Justice
NARAL Pro-Choice California
Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California

Supporting Organizations:
ACT for Women and Girls of Tulare County
Bay Area Communities for Health Education
California Church IMPACT
California Family Health Council
Cardea Institute
Center on Reproductive Rights and Justice
Choice USA
Forward Together
Fresno Barrios Unidos
National Health Law Program
Nevada County Citizens For Choice
Physicians for Reproductive Choice & Health
Women's Community Clinic
Women's Health Specialists of California

so the OP is a complete failure, joke and farse

its just like i said:
"as long as this follows FDA and other medical org guidelines as other drugs/procedures its always good to allow people greater access, again as long as it follows the same regulations as other meds/procedures of its kind.

I see ZERO wrong here and women are GAINING, not losing"

but again id be right with you mags IF this bill did something to side step FDA and medical regulations or drugs/procedures of this kind. Then that would be BAD and not good at all.

That's an impressive list of organizations endorsing that change. I'm not at all sure how the FDA would enter into this, though. (Not that they should, I just don't know.) While I read that it's one of the safest abortion procedures, we all know that complications can throw any procedure into a cocked hat.

I guess, in the scheme of things, this is just one more incursion into the power and mystic of medical doctors. *shrug* I don't have to stretch too far to think that may be a good thing.

Thanks for the education.

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