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California enacts new climate rules — which could boost gas prices

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The California Air Resources Board approved major changes to its Low Carbon Fuel Standard, a program aimed at encouraging use of cleaner transportation fuels with financial incentives as the state moves toward phasing out gasoline and diesel.

At the heart of the controversy is the question: How do you wean Californians off gasoline and diesel — which is critical for cleaning the state’s dirty air and reducing its role in the climate crisis — without substantially raising the cost to consumers?


Many air board members referred to an urgency to push for cleaner fuels in California because of the outcome of the Tuesday election, which gave Donald Trump, who has denied the existence of climate change and targeted California environmental programs, the presidency and Republicans control of the U.S. Senate.

Eric Guerra, a Sacramento city council member who was appointed to the air board by Gov. Gavin Newsom, said the air board must prioritize public health but that support of working families is equally important, so he called for frequent monitoring of the possible impact on gas prices.


Concerns about gas prices have fueled the debate surrounding the board’s proposal since its release last December. But much of the agency’s revamp of its fuel rules focuses on intricate disputes among environmentalists, oil companies, dairy farms that use manure to produce fuels, biofuel companies and other low-carbon fuel providers.

Under the California Climate Crisis Act, the state must slash its greenhouse gases to reach net-zero greenhouse gases by 2045. Cars, trucks and other transportation are the number one source and the changes to the fuels standard are meant to prevent California from falling behind on its ambitious climate goals, which are already at risk.
 
The California Air Resources Board approved major changes to its Low Carbon Fuel Standard, a program aimed at encouraging use of cleaner transportation fuels with financial incentives as the state moves toward phasing out gasoline and diesel.

At the heart of the controversy is the question: How do you wean Californians off gasoline and diesel — which is critical for cleaning the state’s dirty air and reducing its role in the climate crisis — without substantially raising the cost to consumers?


Many air board members referred to an urgency to push for cleaner fuels in California because of the outcome of the Tuesday election, which gave Donald Trump, who has denied the existence of climate change and targeted California environmental programs, the presidency and Republicans control of the U.S. Senate.

Eric Guerra, a Sacramento city council member who was appointed to the air board by Gov. Gavin Newsom, said the air board must prioritize public health but that support of working families is equally important, so he called for frequent monitoring of the possible impact on gas prices.


Concerns about gas prices have fueled the debate surrounding the board’s proposal since its release last December. But much of the agency’s revamp of its fuel rules focuses on intricate disputes among environmentalists, oil companies, dairy farms that use manure to produce fuels, biofuel companies and other low-carbon fuel providers.

Under the California Climate Crisis Act, the state must slash its greenhouse gases to reach net-zero greenhouse gases by 2045. Cars, trucks and other transportation are the number one source and the changes to the fuels standard are meant to prevent California from falling behind on its ambitious climate goals, which are already at risk.
The only bad thing about this is that millions of Californians are going to move out and flood the rest of the country with their liberalism.
 
The California Air Resources Board approved major changes to its Low Carbon Fuel Standard, a program aimed at encouraging use of cleaner transportation fuels with financial incentives as the state moves toward phasing out gasoline and diesel.

At the heart of the controversy is the question: How do you wean Californians off gasoline and diesel — which is critical for cleaning the state’s dirty air and reducing its role in the climate crisis — without substantially raising the cost to consumers?


Many air board members referred to an urgency to push for cleaner fuels in California because of the outcome of the Tuesday election, which gave Donald Trump, who has denied the existence of climate change and targeted California environmental programs, the presidency and Republicans control of the U.S. Senate.

Eric Guerra, a Sacramento city council member who was appointed to the air board by Gov. Gavin Newsom, said the air board must prioritize public health but that support of working families is equally important, so he called for frequent monitoring of the possible impact on gas prices.


Concerns about gas prices have fueled the debate surrounding the board’s proposal since its release last December. But much of the agency’s revamp of its fuel rules focuses on intricate disputes among environmentalists, oil companies, dairy farms that use manure to produce fuels, biofuel companies and other low-carbon fuel providers.

Under the California Climate Crisis Act, the state must slash its greenhouse gases to reach net-zero greenhouse gases by 2045. Cars, trucks and other transportation are the number one source and the changes to the fuels standard are meant to prevent California from falling behind on its ambitious climate goals, which are already at risk.
And in the real world, the other major polluters, India, China, and Russia, just go merrily along totally negating California’s efforts at cleaner air and battling climate change. That’s very noble of California and I’m sure it gives its liberal citizens a warm fuzzy feeling. News flash for California: you’re all gonna die from other maladies, accidents, etc. before you even see your utopia or save the rest of the world.
 
At the heart of the controversy is the question: How do you wean Californians off gasoline and diesel — which is critical for cleaning the state’s dirty air and reducing its role in the climate crisis — without substantially raising the cost to consumers?
You don't. Trucking and rail freight rely on diesel. Commercial Aviation relies on jet fuel, which is essentially highly refined diesel oil.

Diesel fuel is absolutely critical to the California economy, and it will be for many years to come. Governor Newson is a remarkably ignorant man, and he's notorious for his goofy ideas and his incompetence.

Governor Newsom's plan is to ban the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2035. This is unbelievably stupid, because California electrical grid cannot even support 50% of California's vehicles being electric.

Someday, (hopefully) there will be a quantum leap in energy technology, and it will be possible to shelve all internal combustion engines. We have a ways to go before that happens. The sensible thing to do is minimize emissions wherever possible (and we are already doing that), and incentivize private industry to invent a new form of energy to power planes, trains, automobiles and trucks.

Gavin Newsom has wrecked the once beautiful state of California. He's wrecked it so bad that millions of Californians have fled and continue to flee. It's the first time since California was founded (in 1850) that the population is decreasing.
 
The GDP of California and the UK are nearly identical, about 3 Trillion, but the UK has more people.

Several years ago someone computed the impact of reduced carbon emissions if the UK no longer existed. According to those computations the models showed that the earth temperatures expected in 100 years would be delayed by a mere six years, ie same temp in 106 years.

Completely shutting down California's economy and "disappearing" its population would have a negligible effect on global warming. Hence, all this sacrifice by California is useless, as is for tiny New Zealand or Australia. Without India and China, stopping climate change by sacrificing generations of people is pointless.

Dumb as dirt social policy.
 
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I still cannot understand why so many people (typically White) keep voting these socialists into office.

The policies enacted under Gavin Newsome and a slue of other local Mayors, District Attorneys, and County Supervisors have run that State into the ground.

People seem to be fleeing in droves. Unfortunately, many are the same Liberals who voted for those nightmare propositions and Leftist government officials.

Then when the go to "Red" States, what do they do? They try to push the same crap that led to them fleeing California. :rolleyes:
 
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