But What If You're Wrong ...

[axmann]

What if the Christians are wrong and the Hindus are right?

True religion must be based on something that transcends the natural world .It must speak to man's inner spirituality while addressing all the needs of his existence in the temporal natural realm.

Anything less will turn out awkwardly lopsided.

In other words it will be dropped by any rational minded person, sooner or later.

What does Hinduism offer?

 

[spud_meister]

True religion must be based on something that transcends the natural world .It must speak to man's inner spirituality while addressing all the needs of his existence in the temporal natural realm.

Why? And assuming there's only one true religion, why does your god condemn trillions of souls to suffering?

 

[Andalublue]

True religion must be based on something that transcends the natural world .It must speak to man's inner spirituality while addressing all the needs of his existence in the temporal natural realm.

Anything less will turn out awkwardly lopsided.

In other words it will be dropped by any rational minded person, sooner or later.

What does Hinduism offer?

That response doesn't even attempt to answer the question. What if the Hindu's are right?

 

[axmann]

Why? And assuming there's only one true religion, why does your god condemn trillions of souls to suffering?

People have free will ,just as you do..

Billions choose their own final destiny just as most assuredly you have done.

Why blame anyone else for a decision you have freely made?

 

[axmann]

That response doesn't even attempt to answer the question. What if the Hindu's are right?

Hindus can't be right on the basis of pure logistics. .. [never ending reincarnation ,you eventually run out of room. ] Hinduism is less a religion than a form of dogmatized animism.

 

[spud_meister]

People have free will ,just as you do..

Billions choose their own final destiny just as most assuredly you have done.

Why blame anyone else for a decision you have freely made?

God is omniscient and omnipotent. He knew the decisions I would make before He created the universe. Free will is an illusion.

 

[axmann]

God is omniscient and omnipotent. He knew the decisions I would make before He created the universe. Free will is an illusion.

But why did you choose to make those decisions. ??

It doesn't absolve you from those decisions. You had your chance .. Don't you make decisions on your own or does someone put a gun to your head?

 

[zyzygy]

True religion must be based on something that transcends the natural world .It must speak to man's inner spirituality while addressing all the needs of his existence in the temporal natural realm.

Anything less will turn out awkwardly lopsided.

In other words it will be dropped by any rational minded person, sooner or later.

What does Hinduism offer?

Ask a Hindu. No doubt they believe it has something to offer in just the same way that Christians believe that Christianity has something to offer.

 

[zyzygy]

God is omniscient and omnipotent. He knew the decisions I would make before He created the universe. Free will is an illusion.

So god will not be sending me to hell for not believing in him?

 

[spud_meister]

But why did you choose to make those decisions. ??

It doesn't absolve you from those decisions. You had your chance .. Don't you make decisions on your own or does someone put a gun to your head?

My decisions are a product of my environment and genetics. I could provide lip service to a religion, but I could not simply choose to believe without evidence, and God knows this, just as he knows people raised in another religion are unlikely to change their minds, but He condemns them anyway.

 

[spud_meister]

So god will not be sending me to hell for not believing in him?

He will. He chose to condemn you when He created the universe.

 

[Andalublue]

Hindus can't be right on the basis of pure logistics. .. [never ending reincarnation ,you eventually run out of room. ] Hinduism is less a religion than a form of dogmatized animism.

I see, so the call for reflection only applies to everyone else, not you. You've decided to play the odds while advising everyone else not to. That doesn't speak very well for your integrity.

 

[zyzygy]

He will. He chose to condemn you when He created the universe.

14 billion years ago? Why did he wait so long? And why punish me for being what he created? He sounds like a real dipstick,this god. Pass.

 

[iangb]

The OP's argument seems to be:

"I know there are lots of arguments against my religion, but WHAT IF IT'S RIGHT?
...
What if other religions are right? They can't be, there's lots of arguments against them!"




My God only lets you into Heaven if you claim to not believe in Him. Ooops.

 

[Quag]

What if you are wrong and the Vikings were right?
Best make sure you die in battle so you can go to Valhalla

 

[Ikari]

If I'm wrong and there's no eternity ,no blissful existence after death as a result of my faith in God ,what have I lost? nothing.

I gained nothing, but I gave up little in the present life; all I sacrificed were things any decent person would have done.

But what if I'm right and did the right thing and reaped an eternal reward in the future life , but you were wrong! You gained really nothing in this world but just a good deal of misery and lawlessness and for that you lost an eternity of sublime existence.
And you could've had it all for just an honest understanding of true religion. Something you rejected ;something that would've cost you little but for which you now remain apart from God and in a terrible place forever and ever.

Why play the odds ,when eternity is so long..

Ahh Pascal's wager.

So which god then? Which religion am I to believe in? There are a great many. You say I'd also have to accept Jesus, right? But many religions do not. Which god should I believe in? Which one covers the most bases?

 

[Ikari]

But what if you are wrong and I am right? you do admit that you will lose a great deal an eternal amount.. do you?

What if we're both wrong? Do you have full coverage for eternity? What if Christianity is not the "true religion"? What if the Greeks had it right? Do you worship Zeus? I mean, you may just want to be covered, yeah?

 

[Ikari]

The point is different. Living a good life is everyone's reasonable service. You gain by doing so..

I'm asking you to look at the odds if you are WRONG!!!

what are these odds?

 

[Winchester]

How can you call it true belief if it just comes down to hedging one's bets?

 

[Paschendale]

But why did you choose to make those decisions. ??

It doesn't absolve you from those decisions. You had your chance .. Don't you make decisions on your own or does someone put a gun to your head?

On the contrary, god knows exactly why we make each decision and what it would take to change those decisions. And this god can alter those circumstances and either does or doesn't. We don't make any decisions in a universe run by an all-powerful god.

Ultimately, the implications of your OP are frankly disgusting. You say we should serve this god because of the horrific consequences that will befall us if we don't. That means we should worship whichever god is the most brutal, the most punitive, the most eager to abuse us. If we choose a god by your standards, we must choose the most evil god we can find.

 

[axmann]

On the contrary, god knows exactly why we make each decision and what it would take to change those decisions. And this god can alter those circumstances and either does or doesn't. We don't make any decisions in a universe run by an all-powerful god.

Ultimately, the implications of your OP are frankly disgusting. You say we should serve this god because of the horrific consequences that will befall us if we don't. That means we should worship whichever god is the most brutal, the most punitive, the most eager to abuse us. If we choose a god by your standards, we must choose the most evil god we can find.

My point is straightforward. Eternity in a bad place or an eternity in Bliss..

Life is but a few years ..

 

[Paschendale]

My point is straightforward. Eternity in a bad place or an eternity in Bliss..

Life is but a few years ..

Eternity as a slave or an eternity with freedom to choose for myself. I think you and I have very different definitions of bliss.

 

[Removable Mind]

But why did you choose to make those decisions. ??

It doesn't absolve you from those decisions. You had your chance .. Don't you make decisions on your own or does someone put a gun to your head?

Do you believe in divine intervention? Do you believe that god answers prayers?

If you believe in divine intervention, can you personally tell the difference between an act of free will vs an act of divine intervention?

If god answers prayers then is it possible that in order to answer a prayer it required god to intervene in the prayer's life or someone elses. Can you personally determine when an act or event was the result of a prayer ...or not?

 

[axmann]

Eternity as a slave or an eternity with freedom to choose for myself. I think you and I have very different definitions of bliss.

I think we differ on eternity.

 

[RAMOSS]

That's why I suggested that you consider TRUE RELIGION!

And, what in your opinion would be the TRUE RELIGION?

Jehoavah Witness?? Mormonism? Hinduism?? Taoism? Satanism? Islam?