Angry Jordanians Rally to Protest Bombings By PAUL GARWOOD, Associated Press Writer
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AMMAN, Jordan - Thousands of Jordanians rallied in the capital and other cities shouting "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" a day after three deadly hotel bombings that killed at least 59 people. Officials suspected Iraqi involvement in the attacks, which were claimed by al-Qaida's Iraq branch.
As protesters in Jordan and elsewhere in the Arab world denounced the Jordanian-born leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, security forces snared a group of Iraqis for questioning and officials said one of the bombers spoke Iraqi-accented Arabic before he exploded his suicide belt in the Grand Hyatt Hotel.
The main demonstration in Amman lasted for more than an hour. But honking vehicles, decorated with Jordanian flags and posters of King Abdullah II, cruised Amman's streets until late in the night, as passengers chanted "Death to al-Zarqawi, the villain and the traitor!" and anti-terrorism slogans.
About 50 people, including Jordanian children holding tiny flags, placed candles on a makeshift sand memorial in the driveway of the Hyatt.
Al-Qaida in Iraq, which appears to be expanding its operations outside of Iraq, said the bombings put the United States on notice that the "backyard camp for the Crusader army is now in the range of fire of the holy warriors."
Al-Zarqawi's group has claimed responsibility for previous attacks in Jordan, including the 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Laurence Foley. Jordan, a moderate Arab nation, has fought a long-running battle against Islamic extremists opposed to its 1994 peace deal with Israel.
In addition to the two Americans, the dead included 33 Jordanians, many with families ties to the Palestinian West Bank; six Iraqis; two Bahrainis; at least two Chinese; one Indonesian; and one Saudi. The others had not yet been identified. Officials said the death toll of 59 — which includes the three attackers — could rise because several of the 100 or so wounded victims were seriously hurt.
He also said Iraqis may have had a hand in the attacks.
"The al-Qaida organization has become as a plague that affected Iraq and is now transmitted by the same rats to other countries. A lot of Iraqis, especially former intelligence and army officers, joined this criminal cell," Kubba said.
TimmyBoy said:Bush's invasion seems to have helped to spread terror rather than prevent it.
TimmyBoy said:I sometimes wonder in this day and age if the survival of the human species is at stake:
TimmyBoy said:Seems Iraqi sucide bombers have struck Jordan. Bush's invasion seems to have helped to spread terror rather than prevent it. I sometimes wonder in this day and age if the survival of the human species is at stake:
And nationalism has struck the Jordanian people like a plague much like it did after the September 11 attacks in the US. I wonder how the Jordanian government will unjustly exploit this opportunity to increase it's own power and oppress more the rights of their people:
Hmm, Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq before the invasion, but look now:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110...AJYU.0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Early on the afternoon of September 21, King Abdullah bin al-Hussein walked briskly to the front of a ballroom at the Ritz Carlton hotel. The 43-year-old Jordanian monarch, wearing a business suit, was surrounded by bodyguards whose suspicious eyes scanned the room. Inside that ring of security, flanking the king as he made his way to the podium, were two young men wearing yarmulkes.
Abdullah's speech was notable both for its content and its audience. Abdullah, a Sunni Muslim, addressed a group of American rabbis. "Muslims from every branch of Islam," he said, "can now assert without doubt or hesitation that a fatwa calling for the killing of innocent civilians--no matter what nationality or religion, Muslim or Jew, Arab or Israeli--is a basic violation of the most fundamental principles of Islam." Abdullah denounced Abu Musab al Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden by name. Not surprisingly, he received a standing ovation.
Gibberish said:This is obvious and even Bush knows it. Though he seems to think that the terrorists will run out of people and supplies. He doesn't like to look at the fact that the number of islamic-radicals is increasing.
I believe the world structure will change at the end of this fighting. We are fighting an enemy with no country and really no political ties. They can move in and out of any country they want (secretly of course) and have an abundance of money and supplies. The inevitable outcome is massive deaths of human beings. More so then the world wars.
Ah, the classic ad hom. Just as fresh today as it was when it was invented. It's just as effective and as brilliant of a debate ploy as it has always been. That's why they call it a classic I suppose.Trajan Octavian Titus said:... you freaking moron.
Simon W. Moon said:Ah, the classic ad hom. Just as fresh today as it was when it was invented. It's just as effective and as brilliant of a debate ploy as it has always been. That's why they call it a classic I suppose.
While you continually suckle the teat of the complaining left, maybe we should see if Zarqawi himself had a beef with Jordan that doesn't relate to your obsession of hatred...TimmyBoy said:Seems Iraqi sucide bombers have struck Jordan. Bush's invasion seems to have helped to spread terror rather than prevent it. I sometimes wonder in this day and age if the survival of the human species is at stake:
And nationalism has struck the Jordanian people like a plague much like it did after the September 11 attacks in the US. I wonder how the Jordanian government will unjustly exploit this opportunity to increase it's own power and oppress more the rights of their people:
Hmm, Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq before the invasion, but look now:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051110...AJYU.0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
In Iraq,Trajan Octavian Titus said:... it's not the terrorist scumbags fault that he blew up a wedding party and killed innocent people it's Bush's fault (sarcastic emphasis added), give me a freaking break.
Simon W. Moon said:In Iraq,
Is it the pilot's fault that there's lethal collateral damage at a wedding party from a bomb that he drops?
Or is it the fault of the person who gave him the order to drop the bomb?
Is it the fault of the politicians who declared the commencement of hostilities?
Or is it Hussein's fault for being his own hatable self all these years?
"Fault" is a funny idea ain't it? Blame is pretty much the same as fault. Responsibility is something similar, yet decidedly different. One can be responsible for things that are not one's fault. One can be responsible for things that go wrong even when one is not to blame.cnredd said:It's "war's" fault ...
You're selling my comments short.cnredd said:I'd expect these kinds of questions from the left...I guess I was correct ...
Simon W. Moon said:In Iraq,
Is it the pilot's fault that there's lethal collateral damage at a wedding party from a bomb that he drops?
Or is it the fault of the person who gave him the order to drop the bomb?
Is it the fault of the politicians who declared the commencement of hostilities?
Or is it Hussein's fault for being his own hatable self all these years?
Irrationally informed at its finest?...:2wave:Simon W. Moon said:"Fault" is a funny idea ain't it? Blame is pretty much the same as fault. Responsibility is something similar, yet decidedly different. One can be responsible for things that are not one's fault. One can be responsible for things that go wrong even when one is not to blame.
"It's 'war's' fault" is kind of like saying that rape and robbery is crime's fault. It may be technically correct in some abstract way, but ...
Ultimately, as adults, we're all responsible for our own actions and the consequences thereof. The suicide bomber is just as responsible for the deaths of those who are killed by his bomb as the pilot is for the deaths caused by his. To take issue with that is to deny the manhood of the pilot.
But whose fault is it? That's a murky question at best. Everything is the result of the whole universe of events that preceded it. Every one thing leads to another. Where exactly is the dividing line between an effect and a cause when effects become causes and causes are effects?
Ferinstints,
WWII can be blamed on Hitler. But Hitler can be blamed on the onerus peace terms of WWI. But the onerus peace terms can be blamed on various elements of the geopolitical situation in Europe. But the geopolitical situation in Europe can be blamed on ...
And on and on ad infinitum until we arrive at the beginning of time.
The invasion of Iraq is cited by many folks as their inspiration for their radicalization. Yet, as adults, they are each responsible for their actions. Even if the invasion did actually radicalize them, they still chose to do what they do. Is the invasion to blame?
9-11 is cited by many folks as their inspiration for joining the military. Yet, as adults, they are each responsible for their actions. Even if 9-11 did actually inspire them, they still chose to what they do. Is 9-11 to blame?
I get it...Simon W. Moon said:You're selling my comments short.
I knew it would be easier to throw up an ad-hom style drive-by post that dodges the issue and attempts to distract w/ false charges than it would be to actually address the murky and thorny issues around what blame/fault and responsibility actually mean. But I expected that sort of a shallow-minded dodge from Attack-Iraq-Bushbots. I guess I was correct.
cnredd said:Irrationally informed at its finest?...:2wave:
From here on out we'll blame Africa for everything because that's where the first man came from...:roll:
Should we also blame Jeffrey Dahmer's great-great-grand parents for screwing?
Blame goes to the persons attributable to the actions done...Your "Hitler" analogy was irrelevant...Hitler became what he did because he CHOSE to...whether or not the doors were open and the red carpet rolled out for something like that to happen doesn't matter...The existance of opportunity is not a result...It's what one does with that opportunity that is...
If you saw a bag on money fall out of a Brink's trunks, the opportunity is there for you to be a criminal...It is ONLY though your actions of actually taking the money that makes it so...
I get it...
You portray, through your posts, that you are thinking along the lines a person from the Left would...I mention it, with a smiley face no less, so you go straight to name calling...
Niiiice.....:roll:
ddoyle00 said:Its easy to paint Bush as the primary reason for the recent terrorist bombings, but dont forget what happened eight years ago when Clinton was president.
1.The first attack on the World Trade Center.
2.The terrorist attack on the U.S.S. Cole.
3.The terrorist attack on the American Embassy in Africa.
4.The terrorists capturing and killing people in Indonesia.
All that and more happened when Clinton was in office and he didnt send troops anywhere. Did they stop? No, they flew two ******* jets into the World Trade Center. I for one am glad that some of these assholes are dead even if the whole operation in covered up to take oil.
No. I'm not at all.Trajan Octavian Titus said:You can't honestly be trying to imply a moral equavalency b/w suicide bombers and U.S. soldiers can you?
Simon W. Moon said:No. I'm not at all.
I'm discussing the nature of fault and blame.
Well perhpas we could. And it'd prob'ly be technically correct in some abstract way, but it's not very useful or meaningful to do so.cnredd said:From here on out we'll blame Africa for everything because that's where the first man came from...
Should we also blame Jeffrey Dahmer's great-great-grand parents for screwing?
Your decision to see a lack of support for Team Bush and the invasion of Iraq as the shibboleth of "the Left" throws me in the same lefty boat w/ Kissinger, Scowcroft, Baker, Buckley, Buchanan etc.cnredd said:You portray, through your posts, that you are thinking along the lines a person from the Left would ...
I forgot that derision w/ a smiley face is somehow different. Here's the smiley to go w/ what I posted earlier so that it can be a more exact equivalent:cnredd said:... I mention it, with a smiley face no less, so you go straight to name calling ...
All of these things are true in some sense.Trajan Octavian Titus said:Well in the nature of fault and blame one must realize ... start blaming the attackers.
Simon W. Moon said:All of these things are true in some sense.
Since the invasion, Iraq has become a better training ground for terrorists than Afghanistan was.
Who is responsible for that?
That is because Timmy thinks a lost war means a return to power for the dems. It is sick and twisted patriotism that spits on the brave men and women fighting for a stable middle east and a safer homeland.Calm2Chaos said:Timmy, What amazes me is that there were people killed here by suicide bombers. And yet you berate the US and not those that did the killing. How utterly expected, and completely pathetic. You keep giving the terrorist a free pass, im sure thats going to work out well......:doh
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