saffron
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Exactly!t125eagle said:you know, its kinda bad that illegal immigrants get jobs at all. there are so many people in this country that are jobless and people are giving, GIVING jobs to these immigrants. they dont have to pay taxes on it, except maybe for the taxes that all workers have to pay.
Hornburger said:Exactly!
And the democrats keep saying that we NEED the immigrants for cheap labor. That's bullshit! We have numbers in the unemployed ranks, get them some jobs! The democrats just want the votes of the immigrants...it's ridiculous...
Don't stop immigration completely...but at least keep the illegals out for Christ's sake.Mikkel said:May I remind everyone that, unless you are of Native American descent, all of your ancestors came to this country in search of a better life. Just because you got here first doesn't mean you can automatically keep everyone else from coming in. I agree there is a problem, but putting up a wall and stopping immigration all together won't solve it.
Lou Dobbs must be having a field day. I don't think I've ever seen his show where he wasn't talking about illegal immigration.
Yeah, but I was talking about like immigrants who become citizens, they are more likely to vote for democrats because they would think "oh, the democrats help people who want to come to america" even though they are illegal, but yeah, it mostly is for the latino vote like you said.t125eagle said:well, its not the immigrants vote they are after. immigrants cant vote since they are not citizens, but since most of these illegal immigrants are latino, the dems are after the latino vote.
How is the plan flawed?Mikkel said:It's not my job to come up with ideas. If I knew the answer, I'd tell you. All I'm saying is that nobody in washington has a workable plan to fix the problem, so why should they stick their necks out and sacrifice the latino vote?- as you were mentioning earlier. Right now, my main concern is how much money is my president planning on pouring into a plan that is fundamentally flawed? I'm hoping not too much.
The only economy we need to support is our own. If we give Mexico money for businesses and everything, the money will surely be wasted. Throwing money at the problem just doesn't work.What it comes down to is that we need their economy to grow so that they don't have to come to the United States looking for jobs. At the same time, we need to make sure that they can start and run their own businesses, so that they aren't entirely dependent upon our economy for support. It's a tricky issue to deal with on this end, but the real solution to the problem has to come from Mexico.
Yes, all we can do is try and keep illegal aliens from coming in and get the ones already in out. I don't see how by doing this we can trample on the "American Dream", the only thing we need to be concerned about with illegal aliens is deporting them as quickly and humanely as we can.In the mean time, we'll do our best to prevent illegal immigration on this end, and, in the process, try not to trample on the American Dream too much.
Oh, trade agreements...that would be fine, as long as it also supports our economy.Mikkel said:I see both of these as one-in-the-same. Increasing border patrol will do just as much to stop illegal immigration as financially supporting Mexico's economy. And if you had read my post a little more closely, not once did I mention giving money to Mexico. I said it was up to them to grow their economy. I was proposing trying different trade agreements to try and solve the problem. I agree that giving money to Mexico is a waste. I also see increased spending on border patrol is a waste. It won't solve the problem, and it's more trouble than it's worth.
Oh, I completely agree with you, I do not support putting up a wall, I just would like to crack down on getting illegals out, and try and keep them out by any reasonable means.Okay, and we have a decent force to do this now. I hate to bring international politics into the issue, but I think putting up a wall as a matter of illegal immigration prevention, we might be sending the wrong message to the rest of the world. Any policy action that tells the world that we are xenophobic, exclusive, or isolationist is a disgrace to the "American Dream," and, again, will cause us much more trouble than it's worth.
Yes they did and my ancestors contributed and helped build this country. My grandfather on my mother's side took 10 years before he could immigrate to American, this was because he did it legally. He fought in the American Army and then joined the U.S. Track and Field team and won medals in the Olympics. Sorry, but I've never seen a MExican illegal alien in the U.S. Olympics.:3oops:Mikkel said:May I remind everyone that, unless you are of Native American descent, all of your ancestors came to this country in search of a better life.
This is a ridiculous comment. They are here illegally!. They are illegal immigrants.Just because you got here first doesn't mean you can automatically keep everyone else from coming in.
I think that keeping all of the illegal Mexican immigrants out will solve a lot of the problems in California and a few other states. Their presence in California, I believe, is the cause of the money problems this state is obviously having. I think that they should be stopped, period.I agree there is a problem, but putting up a wall and stopping immigration all together won't solve it.
Shoot them and/or sterilize them. That would be best, I'd vote for that.:applaudHornburger said:....what else would you suggest to solve the problem?
Hornburger said:The only reasonable way I see of keep more illegal aliens from coming in is increasing the size of the border patrol.
saffron said:I think this must have been brought up here already; I've been hearing all over the California media, Bush cracking down on the Mexican illegal aliens. If I knew he was going to to this I would've voted for him! It's about freakin' time!
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