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Bush Approves use of Torture

GySgt said:
I didn't quote it. I wrote it. I write all my own commentaries. :2bow:
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See gunny, they just dont beleive that a jarhead can write so eloquently.

Well python you are in for the biggest struggle of your life becasue you are in a debate with gunny, and from looking at gunnys record he will win.

Python, I will say this. In order to win a debate anywhere you must present facts along with evidentiary support to back your claims. And so far I have yet to see any of this conglomerated in any of your few posts here at this forum. If you want to make your stay here pleasant then I suggest you start backing your arguments up with facts. Everyone has an opinion and we have heard them all. But facts speak like a 2 edged sword. It peirces minds.
 
Originally Posted by DeejayH
that was very touching and moving and completely IRRELEVANT
by the Geneva Conventions, the Terrorists & the insurgents & the resistance fighters etc... ad nauseum do not recieve those entitled rights

because they are not wearing uniforms
as such, they fall under the classification of SPIES and are subject to SUMMARY EXECUTIONS ON THE SPOT
everything we do to them after NOT KILLING them immediately, is a bonus
put that in your pipe and smoke
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In answer to your spy comment, I offer the following:

Geneva Convention Article you [DeejayH] apparantly did not read:
Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.

In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity, and in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.
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So, it is very relevent.
 
DeeJayH said:
except none of your examples, or anything in the Pics from AbuGhraib, that i recall, actually constitute Torture in my mind
more like GGW - - GI's Gone Wild :2rofll:
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Yea, real ****in wild. Don't you think making 2 males perform oral sex acts on eachother torture enough?
 
kal-el said:
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Yea, real ****in wild. Don't you think making 2 males perform oral sex acts on eachother torture enough?
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Hate to burst your bubble but alot of ME men are gay. I know I was there.
 
SKILMATIC said:
Hate to burst your bubble but alot of ME men are gay. I know I was there.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the case, but I'm positive they weren't hancuffed, hooded, and made to stand in line in orderly fashion, while they were getting blowed.
 
SKILMATIC said:
Hate to burst your bubble but alot of ME men are gay. I know I was there.
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What a ridiculous comment.I assume then rape of heterosexual women isn't rape because they have sex with men otherwise?
 
kal-el said:
Yes, I'm sure that's the case, but I'm positive they weren't hancuffed, hooded, and made to stand in line in orderly fashion, while they were getting blowed.
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Its called a BDSM room you should check out sadaams palaces they had some interesting ones.

What a ridiculous comment
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It may be rediculous but its true.

I assume then rape of heterosexual women isn't rape because they have sex with men otherwise?
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Well thats different. Women are women and they are different in that aspect. Men are different incase you havent noticed. Bj's feel the same whether a man or woman. Ever hear the expression just put a bag over her head? Well thats what they did. For all they know they were getting bj's from jenna jameson. :lol: Now of course the person giving the bj is in question whether he was gay or not. But look at that picture, he deepthraoted that thing which tells me he is gay. :lol:
 
SKILMATIC said:
Hate to burst your bubble but alot of ME men are gay. I know I was there.
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This has to be one of the stupidest posts I've read here recently.

Only a complete fool would believe that the men who were FORCED to have sex with each other while in American run prison camps were in fact Gay / S&Mers who chose to be there.

The dumbing of America continues led by our country's #1 moron, GWB...
 
kal-el said:
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Yea, real ****in wild. Don't you think making 2 males perform oral sex acts on eachother torture enough?
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I thought this was supposed to be about torture. Looks like humiliation to me. And by the way,it's impossible to give a blow job while one has a sandbag on one's head. The National Guard is in need of some 'heterosexual' healing. They have proven what they are worth. They best serve the country working at their civilian jobs and their uniforms in the closet. While I'm at it....they represent your kind of people - civilians. They don't represent the Active Duty.


Also, in Afghanistan, Thursdays are preserved for men to love each other. Just a side note.
 
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26 X World Champs said:
This has to be one of the stupidest posts I've read here recently.

Only a complete fool would believe that the men who were FORCED to have sex with each were in fact Gay / S&Mers who chose to be there.

The dumbing of America continues led by our country's #1 moron, GWB...
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Well I am sorry but facts are facts. A large portion of ME men are gay. Now whether the ones who were made to give each other bj's were gay ir not is a question but no one knows for sure. Also like I have said beore nimrod, bj's feel the same either way. I am sure they were having fun. Besides people in prison start looking good after long periods of time.
 
SKILMATIC said:
Well I am sorry but facts are facts. A large portion of ME men are gay. Now whether the ones who were made to give each other bj's were gay ir not is a question but no one knows for sure. Also like I have said beore nimrod, bj's feel the same either way. I am sure they were having fun. Besides people in prison start looking good after long periods of time.
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You sick bastard!!!!!
 
SKILMATIC said:
I am sure they were having fun.
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O man. Yea, sure, its fun to be forced to suck ****, even if you are gay.Man, I would expect Rush Limbaugh to make a dumb comment like that, but not you SKILLY.
 
kal-el said:
O man. Yea, sure, its fun to be forced to suck ****, even if you are gay.Man, I would expect Rush Limbaugh to make a dumb comment like that, but not you SKILLY.
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The picture shows that he clearly has a sandbag on his head, which means he did not smoke any ding-dong.
 
Obviously some people on this forum don't know right from wrong. . .

You seriously need some help if you think that this is funny.
 
FinnMacCool said:
Obviously some people on this forum don't know right from wrong. . .

You seriously need some help if you think that this is funny.
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Of course it's wrong. It's disgusting, but that's not the issue. The issue is "torture."

What should be expressed is a disgust for the unprofessionalism of the National Guard. Abu-Ghraib is far from being the only thing they screw up over there.
 
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SKILMATIC said:
Well I am sorry but facts are facts. A large portion of ME men are gay.
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BULLSHIT! Prove it or stop writing untruths. You wrote in an earlier post to someone that to debate one must present substantiated facts. Is one called a hypocrite if one tells others to provide facts yet fails to provide any himself?
Prove that "a LARGE portion of Middle Eastern men are gay." A "LARGE" portion imples more than half. Don't write back that you've traveled there and witnessed this "LARGE portion" personally because that is useless hearsay and in no way qualifies as proof of anything.
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Now whether the ones who were made to give each other bj's were gay ir not is a question but no one knows for sure. Also like I have said beore nimrod, bj's feel the same either way. I am sure they were having fun. Besides people in prison start looking good after long periods of time.
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Calling me names (NIMROD) is against the rules here Skilmatic. You're free to be as stupid and moronic as the words in your posts, but I can't call you an idiot, it's against the rules.

I can say that writing that someone who is forced to have sex with someone else feels good is pathetic. If you think forced sodomy feels good then your thinking is suspect if not out and out stupid.
 
26 X World Champs said:
BULLSHIT! Prove it or stop writing untruths. You wrote in an earlier post to someone that to debate one must present substantiated facts. Is one called a hypocrite if one tells others to provide facts yet fails to provide any himself?
Prove that "a LARGE portion of Middle Eastern men are gay." A "LARGE" portion imples more than half. Don't write back that you've traveled there and witnessed this "LARGE portion" personally because that is useless hearsay and in no way qualifies as proof of anything.

Calling me names (NIMROD) is against the rules here Skilmatic. You're free to be as stupid and moronic as the words in your posts, but I can't call you an idiot, it's against the rules.

I can say that writing that someone who is forced to have sex with someone else feels good is pathetic. If you think forced sodomy feels good then your thinking is suspect if not out and out stupid.
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What forced sodomy? What forced sex?
 
kal-el said:
I think you highly misunderstand me. I'm not accusing the whole military, or saying they are barbaric. I agree, no massive group of people are indeed perfect, but does that excuse the numerous tortures at Abu ghrab, GITMO,and probably other detention centers?

Even though the terrorists are evil, they aren't at fault here. How can you say it's their fault, when they are being treated like animals? No human being deserves to be treated like an animal.
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Give me ONE example of human torture that has happened in GITMO?
 
Billo_Really said:
Here you go.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072601792.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052605C.shtml

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0449,hentoff,58998,6.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010705D.shtml
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Im sorry but that IS NOT TORTURE! Beheading a man is torture! flying airplanes iinto building is torture! Believing terrorists' accusations (refering to article " Terror Suspect Alleges Torture " is TORTURE to American Values! Come up with solid evidence of torture! Not torture amnesty international calls torture! That is pure BS! Torture as in BEHEADINGS! Think twice before you post your nonsense!
 
Im sorry but that IS NOT TORTURE! Beheading a man is torture! flying airplanes iinto building is torture! Believing terrorists' accusations (refering to article " Terror Suspect Alleges Torture " is TORTURE to American Values! Come up with solid evidence of torture! Not torture amnesty international calls torture! That is pure BS! Torture as in BEHEADINGS! Think twice before you post your nonsense!
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Dude its really rich to call what he posted as nonsense when your trying to tell me that beheading a man is torture. . ..
 
FinnMacCool said:
Dude its really rich to call what he posted as nonsense when your trying to tell me that beheading a man is torture. . ..
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You are telling me that beheading a man is NOT torture? If this is what u truely ment, you are down right insane! :cuckoo:

Ok if beheading a man is not torture, lets start beheading the prisoners at GITMO!
 
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It's not torture it's murder.

There are much more effecient way's of getting information than Torture. Torture is unreliable, and needlessly prolongs suffering with no sure gain. Only in rare, rare cirumstances would I ever support it, such as "Life or death of thousands of people if he doesnt tell us" scenerio.
 
superskippy said:
It's not torture it's murder.

There are much more effecient way's of getting information than Torture. Torture is unreliable, and needlessly prolongs suffering with no sure gain. Only in rare, rare cirumstances would I ever support it, such as "Life or death of thousands of people if he doesnt tell us" scenerio.
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What do you explain the few moments from when that rusty dull blade connects with the neck untill the man is dead? how do you explain that? Also, isnt it torture to the families of the victims and american values? Isnt that a purpose (not THE, but A) of doing this to americans and other who oppose them? Damn right it is! Look at every aspect to something!

Also, do you believe murder is better than Torture?

We have gained vital information from some prisoners by using means some may call "torture"
 
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