"Burn That **** down!"

[Caine]

It wasn't denounced. They simply said it wasn't a BLM event.

The people who helped organize the event agreed.

"This is not in line with our principles"

It is not within BLM's principles who have a peaceful community conversation with police about concerns that the community has with them apparently.

 

[Caine]

Because those individuals are paid representatives of society and are accountable to society in a way that ordinary citizens are not.

Did you not know that ?

They are paid representatives of their city. They are not paid representatives of Dallas, Oakland, or New York.

Do you not see that law enforcement is not a federal organization, nor is it run by the federal government?

Do you not understand how law enforcement in this country works at all?

It wouldn't be the first time someone spoke out about law enforcement in this nation with a self righteous attitude while not even understanding even the most basic concept of how the division of labor within law enforcement works, let alone the training and reasons for the way officers are trained these ways.

 

[Caine]

Even thugs don't simply deserve public execution without trial. Police jeopardize their lives and i empathize with them. We have more than enough reason to provide more transparency and accountability. There is no valid reason to refuse society of that.

I don't think they're trying to blame white conservatives. They're saying that there's something wrong with the situation from their view. It is simply a fact that many of these people share that opinion. Furthermore, there is a good amount of evidence to support the idea that they might have a point. If they are wrong about systematic injustice, where's the harm in demonstrating that ?

By stating what you have stated, you are implying that the police officer whose life was at risk does not deserve the right to defend himself against a lethal threat.

Im sorry, I'd rather police officers (who are on average the "better" half of our society, morally speaking) live and a criminal who contributes little to society die than the opposite.

 

[Absentglare]

Rather interesting that you choose to just pretend the second line of their tweet wasn't there. How very honest of you.

That doesn't change anything. They don't host parties and bbqs- you do understand that they're a serious organization ?

 

[Absentglare]

"This is not in line with our principles"

It is not within BLM's principles who have a peaceful community conversation with police about concerns that the community has with them apparently.

That's a lie.

 

[Absentglare]

They are paid representatives of their city. They are not paid representatives of Dallas, Oakland, or New York.

Do you not see that law enforcement is not a federal organization, nor is it run by the federal government?

Do you not understand how law enforcement in this country works at all?

It wouldn't be the first time someone spoke out about law enforcement in this nation with a self righteous attitude while not even understanding even the most basic concept of how the division of labor within law enforcement works, let alone the training and reasons for the way officers are trained these ways.

That's a ridiculously stupid deflection.

 

[Absentglare]

By stating what you have stated, you are implying that the police officer whose life was at risk does not deserve the right to defend himself against a lethal threat.

Im sorry, I'd rather police officers (who are on average the "better" half of our society, morally speaking) live and a criminal who contributes little to society die than the opposite.

Another lie.

 

[NonoBadDog]

I'm not trying to suggest that they have, but i've heard a lot of the right demonizing BLM and i'm not convinced that they've taken the social criticism seriously.

Not supporting BLM isn't the equivalent of not supporting African Americans. BLM is doing the African Americans more harm than good. They need to regroup and get their act together and denounce the ones that push the "kill a cop" meme. Until that happens they won't get much of a substantial backing. When I have a problem I am not going to call BLM. I am going to call a cop. Given the choice I will support a cop almost every time (depends on the cop). The left has promised to fix the problems of the inner city since Johnson was president. Things haven't changed much. That tells me something.

 

[NonoBadDog]

It wasn't denounced. They simply said it wasn't a BLM event.

The people who helped organize the event agreed.

Here is a quote from their twitter post about the cookout with the police:

THIS IS NOT IN LINE WITH OUR PRINCIPLES.

Kind of says something contrary to what the principles that you stated.
https://twitter.com/DMVBlackLives/status/755807855794675712

This is another fail way to try to garner support:
Video: Black Lives Matter organizer tells white people to 'get to the back' | PhillyVoice


Yet another fail way to garner support:


So far they aren't doing much for their own image. They have to work at repairing their image but I suspect the will just demand that everyone back them.

 

[Absentglare]

Not supporting BLM isn't the equivalent of not supporting African Americans. BLM is doing the African Americans more harm than good. They need to regroup and get their act together and denounce the ones that push the "kill a cop" meme. Until that happens they won't get much of a substantial backing. When I have a problem I am not going to call BLM. I am going to call a cop. Given the choice I will support a cop almost every time (depends on the cop). The left has promised to fix the problems of the inner city since Johnson was president. Things haven't changed much. That tells me something.

I didn't mean to say that was the case, but there's something wise someone once said :

"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions"

-President George W Bush after Dallas shooting

 

[Absentglare]

Here is a quote from their twitter post about the cookout with the police:

Kind of says something contrary to what the principles that you stated.
https://twitter.com/DMVBlackLives/status/755807855794675712

This is another fail way to try to garner support:
Video: Black Lives Matter organizer tells white people to 'get to the back' | PhillyVoice


Yet another fail way to garner support:


So far they aren't doing much for their own image. They have to work at repairing their image but I suspect the will just demand that everyone back them.

It was a bbq, can you blame them for clarifying that it was not a political event ? For all i know, they just want to be taken more seriously, not like they're just hosting block parties or something.

Bad examples do reflect poorly on the group. That doesn't make the whole group unworthy of serious consideration.

 

[NonoBadDog]

It was a bbq, can you blame them for clarifying that it was not a political event ? For all i know, they just want to be taken more seriously, not like they're just hosting block parties or something.

Bad examples do reflect poorly on the group. That doesn't make the whole group unworthy of serious consideration.

For all I know they didn't approve of eating with cops. From what I see they need to get someone that knows how to communicate above a third grade level to do their public relations.

Here is a main issue for a lot of people. I treat other people like I want to be treated, until they piss me off that is. I grew up in a very diverse atmosphere. Our next door neighbors were a mixed marriage, in 1963. He was black and she was Italian. They were like second parents to us. I was raised not to treat anyone different. I was a military brat. When I turned 18 I joined the military. I have been military my whole life.

Now there is a new reality being shoved down my throat. I have to somehow overlook when someone treats me like crap or acts like an idiot because of their color but I am supposed to treat them with respect. It's BS when a person tells me that I can be a racist even if I don't do anything racist but they can say make any kind of racist comment or act with as much disdain towards anyone else that isn't the same color as them. On the other hand they can't be racist because they are a POC. That is BS. I haven't had one person explain they expect of me as an individual to help solve the racial problem other than treat everyone like they are human beings. Until people of ALL colors realize that they should treat ALL people like human beings regardless of color it isn't going to work. It is going to take some work on both sides of the aisle to change things.

 

[Moot]

Is it really so unreasonable to hold individuals accountable for individual behaviors ...?

Not if the goal is to demonize an entire demographic, it isn't. The right are trying to swiftboat BLM just like they did to Acorn. Apparently, minorities organizing themselves and uniting under a common cause whether its for freedom, social justice or just safer and better living conditions is threat to white dominance and control.

 

[Groogrux]

That doesn't change anything. They don't host parties and bbqs- you do understand that they're a serious organization ?

They should start acting like one. If they did they'd probably find more people willing to take their concerns seriously. In the meantime they can burn every last one of their comminuties to the ground, they only ones that are going to suffer is themselves.

 

[Caine]

That doesn't change anything. They don't host parties and bbqs- you do understand that they're a serious organization ?

What is not "serious" about a community bbq with the police eating food and discussing the issues the community has with police???

 

[Caine]

That's a lie.

Well, that was compelling evidence to support your assertion that it is a lie.

But the words of the organization prove otherwise.

 

[Caine]

That's a ridiculously stupid deflection.

No, it isn't.

You want to act as if what a group of rioters do in once city in the name of BLM is not a reflection of the organization as a whole, yet you call me pointing out that what individual law enforcement officers do in one city is not a reflection of what law enforcement officers in other cities a "deflection"??

Is this a double standard?

 

[Caine]

Another lie.

I am glad you provided such a compelling argument as to why what I have stated is a lie.

What happened Absent? You used to actually try and support your love of BLM with something more than one liners....

 

[Caine]

It was a bbq, can you blame them for clarifying that it was not a political event ? For all i know, they just want to be taken more seriously, not like they're just hosting block parties or something.

Bad examples do reflect poorly on the group. That doesn't make the whole group unworthy of serious consideration.

Of course they do.

They want to be taken so seriously that they block traffic and become a general public nuisance rather than support a peaceful community gathering.

Because being a public nuisance is definately the way to be taken seriously :roll:

 

[Caine]

Not if the goal is to demonize an entire demographic, it isn't. The right are trying to swiftboat BLM just like they did to Acorn. Apparently, minorities organizing themselves and uniting under a common cause whether its for freedom, social justice or just safer and better living conditions is threat to white dominance and control.

The conspiracy theory forums are...

That way ------------------------------->

 

[PirateMk1]

Where I live is more rural than suburban but, judging by the amount of gunfire resulting from wild pigs displaced by a recent flood, it would not likely end well.

The thing about pigs is they eat anything. The resulting mess would be quickly cleaned up.

 

[PirateMk1]

That sounds really good. But you may not have enough ammunition. Not to worry, though. You can just call 911.

Seriously, it's scarey to think about, isn't it?

I wouldn't depend on 911. They may be busy with other calls. I suggest acquiring an ample supply of ammo, and a couple more pieces of iron. It takes about an hour for a response out were I am on a serious call. If its not serious then the next day.

 

[MaggieD]

I wouldn't depend on 911. They may be busy with other calls. I suggest acquiring an ample supply of ammo, and a couple more pieces of iron. It takes about an hour for a response out were I am on a serious call. If its not serious then the next day.

Just so you know, I was being facetious.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The thing about pigs is they eat anything. The resulting mess would be quickly cleaned up.

The motives for shooting varied from getting free pork to protecting garden plots and free range chickens. A large number of desperate wild pigs/hogs is no small problem.

 

[PirateMk1]

Just so you know, I was being facetious.

Ooops. Sorry. :mrgreen: