Guy Incognito
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I know. It's not for you to judge whether a man is worthy of death.
Your loss.
Yeah, but not a "good" one, I guess. Of course, then again, if you read the Bible you'll see a very, VERY violent book. So who knows?
Spare me the "what would Jesus do" banter, please.
Yeah, but not a "good" one, I guess. Of course, then again, if you read the Bible you'll see a very, VERY violent book. So who knows?
Spare me the "what would Jesus do" banter, please.
Watch me. I shoot him and I walk away scott-free. Nobody could hear him say that. When the police arrive, all they'll see is a man they believe is shaken up, putting on an Oscar-winning performance in front of a corpse with the intention of robbing and maybe killing him. Maybe I thought he had a weapon and began to pull it on me. Maybe he said a death threat to me.
When I walk out of court, watch me live it up at T.G.I. Fridays. Better luck next time, counsel.
Best part? One less piece of trash in the world today.
Did burglars trespass and were attempting to steal from the property owner? Yes? then I would say the property owner was justified in using lethal force.
Yep, it is a pretty obscure point -- pretty hard to interpret: "Thou shalt not kill...."
So you're walking down the street one day. You notice a dollar bill in my yard just off the parking strip. You step into my yard and pick it up to take it. It's right then and there that I'll blow your ass to kingdom come. And in your compassionate conservative way you think you had it coming?
You can't make this **** up.
Watch me. I shoot him and I walk away scott-free. Nobody could hear him say that. When the police arrive, all they'll see is a man they believe is shaken up, putting on an Oscar-winning performance in front of a corpse with the intention of robbing and maybe killing him. Maybe I thought he had a weapon and began to pull it on me. Maybe he said a death threat to me.
When I walk out of court, watch me live it up at T.G.I. Fridays. Better luck next time, counsel.
Best part? One less piece of trash in the world today.
that's why I have several "unregistered" handguns with the serial numbers filed off. you just never know when you might need a drop weapon. "see officer, there is a gun in his dead hand. he was going to shoot me, I had no choice but to shoot him first"
You know, I almost mentioned something about that, but I figured if they were ever to search your home, you might have some explaining. However, I guess if you don't go out robbing and holding people up, you're safe. Fourth Amendment rights and all. But damn, that can get expensive, especially if you get robbed semi-often.
Personally I think you can just get away with a sob story in front of a felonious corpse. Then again, I'm cheap. Guns aren't.
Actually it is thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation. Because if you bothered to read other parts of the bible you would know that they had the death penalty for various offenses, killing is permitted in certain situations and occasionally they engaged in warfare. In the King James version of the bible in the new Testament Jesus uses the word murder not killing.Both of these things indicates that the King James translation messed up on Exodus 20:13.
Matthew 19:18 KJV - He saith unto him Which Jesus said Thou - Bible Gateway
8He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
hazlnut said:In your hypothetical scenario, we only get rid of the 'trash' if the hypothetical you gets killed drunk driving home from T.G.I. Fridays.
By the way, lying to police with an Oscar Winning Performance... that would make you more guilty than the thief.
So planting a weapon on an unarmed man is good... in your moral view.
Get your compass checked.
how is it an aggressive move to be on your own property?
Don't play the dumb card. They were considered " vigilantes" - it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.
a two-week-long civil trial in which business owner Jovan Milanovic and two relatives were painted as vigilantes who plotted a deadly ambush rather than let authorities deal with a string of recent burglaries.
Burglar's family awarded $300,000 in wrongful death suit (CO)
Fair enough. I would hope you see your days hanging out with thieves and violent criminals and not waste time with entrepreneurial people minding their own.
Sure do like to defend the underbelly of society. Are you having a little bit too much in common with them? Your defense aligns you with simple gutter trash.
To each his own.
were painted as =/= are, go figure
Well, as most trials go, those that are not there do not know what is presented and what isn't. You weren't there, neither was I. I respect the jury's decision, I'm sure they don't coddle theifs, just following the law, and it is unlawful to take the law into your own hands.
Which completely undermines the concept of property rights. If you can't use lethal force, then all attempts to detain, stop, or run off would be burglars are empty bluffs.
Let me give you a hypothetical (And admittedly unlikely) scenario. I wake up in the middle of the night and hear strange sounds coming from my living room. I grab my gun and go to investigate. I see a man in my living room grabbing my TV. I pull me gun out and order him to stop. He looks at me, smirks and says, "You can't shoot me. That's murder," and then turns his back to me, picks up my TV and walks out the door.
What am I supposed to do? Just watch the guy go and then call the police so they can document the theft after the fact and I can hope they stumble onto the thief at some later date. (Because let's be honest a stolen TV isn't going to be a top priority case for many departments). Can I shoot him after he ignores my order to stop? Even though his back is to me? Can I tackle him and risk initiating a physical confrontation with a man who's physical abilities are unknown to me and who may or may not be armed himself?
Actually you do not have the right to defend your property with lethal force.
Which completely undermines the concept of property rights. If you can't use lethal force, then all attempts to detain, stop, or run off would be burglars are empty bluffs.
Let me give you a hypothetical (And admittedly unlikely) scenario. I wake up in the middle of the night and hear strange sounds coming from my living room. I grab my gun and go to investigate. I see a man in my living room grabbing my TV. I pull me gun out and order him to stop. He looks at me, smirks and says, "You can't shoot me. That's murder," and then turns his back to me, picks up my TV and walks out the door.
What am I supposed to do? Just watch the guy go and then call the police so they can document the theft after the fact and I can hope they stumble onto the thief at some later date. (Because let's be honest a stolen TV isn't going to be a top priority case for many departments). Can I shoot him after he ignores my order to stop? Even though his back is to me? Can I tackle him and risk initiating a physical confrontation with a man who's physical abilities are unknown to me and who may or may not be armed himself?
I know. It's not for you to judge whether a man is worthy of death.
So you're walking down the street one day. You notice a dollar bill in my yard just off the parking strip. You step into my yard and pick it up to take it. It's right then and there that I'll blow your ass to kingdom come. And in your compassionate conservative way you think you had it coming?
You can't make this **** up.
if these guys were the murderous vigilantes you want them to be, the criminal court would've put them in jail.
or do you only respect the the decisions of juries that agree with you?
In my mind it is the victim who has judged themselves worthy of death by choosing to break into my home or attempt to mug me.
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