Build The Wall! Here's why...

[jcallisonmusic]

One of Trump's most popular arguments for his running was to build a wall on our mexican border and to make mexico pay for it. Many people disagree with this and even his immigration laws. I dont understand what the debate is around it. IF YOU ARE IN THE COUNTRY AND DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER LEGISLATION TO BE HERE< YOU SHOULDNT BE HERE AND NEED TO GET OUT! I dont understand why that is so difficult for the general public to comprehend. I cant go stand on someones property where I dont belong and then get offended that they dont want me there. Thats how you get shot. All of the people who are afraid to get deported should only be those here illegally. I'm a black male so I have many peers who disagree with this. I believe that having a wall around a country is just basic civilization. Also we want to always know the exact amount of people in our country at a time. This is why I hate the "this is a free country saying". This isnt a free country where anyone should be allowed in. And IM not referring to minorities. There are a heck of a lot of illegal whites here and we should watch our canadian border where in some parts you can walk across a field and be in America. That should scare the crap out of every american that we are so violated and exposed. What do you guys think?

 

[Crovax]

One of Trump's most popular arguments for his running was to build a wall on our mexican border and to make mexico pay for it. Many people disagree with this and even his immigration laws. I dont understand what the debate is around it. IF YOU ARE IN THE COUNTRY AND DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER LEGISLATION TO BE HERE< YOU SHOULDNT BE HERE AND NEED TO GET OUT! I dont understand why that is so difficult for the general public to comprehend. I cant go stand on someones property where I dont belong and then get offended that they dont want me there. Thats how you get shot. All of the people who are afraid to get deported should only be those here illegally. I'm a black male so I have many peers who disagree with this. I believe that having a wall around a country is just basic civilization. Also we want to always know the exact amount of people in our country at a time. This is why I hate the "this is a free country saying". This isnt a free country where anyone should be allowed in. And IM not referring to minorities. There are a heck of a lot of illegal whites here and we should watch our canadian border where in some parts you can walk across a field and be in America. That should scare the crap out of every american that we are so violated and exposed. What do you guys think?

Most illegals come here legally and then overstay thier visas. No wall will stop that. Not to mention that a wall that costs 25 billion to build and 4 billion a year to maintain isn't cost effective for the amount of people that it will keep out.

I feel your sentiments on immigration but a wall isn't the answer.

 

[Mac77]

Most illegals come here legally and then overstay thier visas.

No wall will stop that. Not to mention that a wall that costs 25 billion to build and 4 billion a year to maintain isn't cost effective for the amount of people that it will keep out.

I feel your sentiments on immigration but a wall isn't the answer.

The actual number is about 40% of illegals arrive legally

Thats high but its not "most."

A wall would prevent 60% of attempted illegals from reaching our country

 

[Crovax]

The actual number is about 40% of illegals arrive legally

Thats high but its not "most."

A wall would prevent 60% of attempted illegals from reaching our country

That was the old number the new study shows that overstays are now the majority of new illegals

The number who stayed beyond the period authorized by their temporary visas (overstays) exceeded the number who entered across the southern land border without inspection (EWIs) in each year from 2008 to 2012.

Beyond DAPA and DACA: Revisiting Legislative Reform in Light of Long-Term Trends in Unauthorized Immigration to the United States | Warren | Journal on Migration and Human Security

 

[Mac77]

That was the old number the new study shows that overstays are now the majority of new illegals



Beyond DAPA and DACA: Revisiting Legislative Reform in Light of Long-Term Trends in Unauthorized Immigration to the United States | Warren | Journal on Migration and Human Security

I have not seen any reliable date that changes the numbers concerning how illegals get here.

But even using your claim that "most" illegals overstay their visa that is a seperate problem from establishing border security.

 

[joG]

One of Trump's most popular arguments for his running was to build a wall on our mexican border and to make mexico pay for it. Many people disagree with this and even his immigration laws. I dont understand what the debate is around it. IF YOU ARE IN THE COUNTRY AND DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER LEGISLATION TO BE HERE< YOU SHOULDNT BE HERE AND NEED TO GET OUT! I dont understand why that is so difficult for the general public to comprehend. I cant go stand on someones property where I dont belong and then get offended that they dont want me there. Thats how you get shot. All of the people who are afraid to get deported should only be those here illegally. I'm a black male so I have many peers who disagree with this. I believe that having a wall around a country is just basic civilization. Also we want to always know the exact amount of people in our country at a time. This is why I hate the "this is a free country saying". This isnt a free country where anyone should be allowed in. And IM not referring to minorities. There are a heck of a lot of illegal whites here and we should watch our canadian border where in some parts you can walk across a field and be in America. That should scare the crap out of every american that we are so violated and exposed. What do you guys think?

I think proper fences are more efficient.

 

[Crovax]

I have not seen any reliable date that changes the numbers concerning how illegals get here.

But even using your claim that "most" illegals overstay their visa that is a seperate problem from establishing border security.

It's relevant to how cost effective the wall is or isn't. How many illegals would a wall keep out that our current border security measures can't keep out?

 

[Mac77]

It's relevant to how cost effective the wall is or isn't. How many illegals would a wall keep out that our current border security measures can't keep out?

We arent keeping out anyone who wants to cross the border from mexico into the US

We catch some

But if at first they dont succeed all they have to do is try, try again and they can get here.

 

[Crovax]

We arent keeping out anyone who wants to cross the border from mexico into the US

We catch some

But if at first they dont succeed all they have to do is try, try again and they can get here.

I asked how many

 

[Mac77]

I asked how many

I cannot supply an exact number

Proper border security meaning trump's "wall" would keep out all the illegals trying to enter from mexico

 

[Skeptic Bob]

While I think the wall is a little ridiculous it doesn't bother me that much. The idea of kicking out illegals who were brought here as children and lived most their lives here is what troubles me.

 

[Mac77]

While I think the wall is a little ridiculous it doesn't bother me that much. The idea of kicking out illegals who were brought here as children and lived most their lives here is what troubles me.

I think that after we stop the bleeding with trump's wall the public might consider limited amnesty for illegals who have grown up in America.

Also for their parents if mom and dad have a clean police record and are not accepting any form of welfare

But by limited amnesty I mean giving them a green card not citizenship and the right to vote

 

[Glowpun]

The actual number is about 40% of illegals arrive legally

Thats high but its not "most."

A wall would prevent 60% of attempted illegals from reaching our country

1. The Chinese built their Great Wall which did not stop invaders.

2. Where did you get your 60% figure?

 

[jamesrage]

Most illegals come here legally and then overstay thier visas. No wall will stop that. Not to mention that a wall that costs 25 billion to build and 4 billion a year to maintain isn't cost effective for the amount of people that it will keep out.

I feel your sentiments on immigration but a wall isn't the answer.

1.25 billion to build and 4 billion a year to maintain is chump change to our government. We give away nearly twice that to other countries in the form of financial aid and military assistance to other countries every year.

2.According to the left wing politifact the 40% is the accepted estimate of the number of illegals here by deliberately overstaying their visas. Even if it was 51% or higher the wall would still keep out most the other 49% who do cross into the country illegally. As for those who come here on visas in order to deliberately overstay.Them that can easily be solved by cutting off visas to countries with the most offenders until their citizens who overstayed their visas are returned back to those countries.


Rubio says 40% of illegal immigrants stayed in the U.S. after their visas expired | PolitiFact Florida

 

[jamesrage]

I think that after we stop the bleeding with trump's wall the public might consider limited amnesty for illegals who have grown up in America.

1How do you prove that they were brought here as little kids? We are going to take the word of people who gave a huge middle finger to our sovereignty? I could care less if they were brought here as little kids.At 18 they are responsible for themselves and are no longer unwilling participants..

Also for their parents if mom and dad have a clean police record and are not accepting any form of welfare

SO basically reward them for evading the law? Maybe we should do that for other people who evade the law for a long time.

But by limited amnesty I mean giving them a green card not citizenship and the right to vote

So that the next illegal alien ass kisser we have for president can give them citizenship and a right to vote? No thank you.

 

[jamesrage]

1. The Chinese built their Great Wall which did not stop invaders.

2. Where did you get your 60% figure?

It only did not stop invaders only a handful of times out the couple thousand years the walls were up. I say "walls" because the Great Wall of China is a series of walls and the Chinese built great walls like the Egyptians and Mayans built pyramids and tombs all over China. Using your logic no one should wear seat belts because of the handful of times seat belts did not save people's lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China#/media/File:Map_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China.jpg

 

[Mac77]

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1How do you prove that they were brought here as little kids? We are going to take the word of people who gave a huge middle finger to our sovereignty? I could care less if they were brought here as little kids.At 18 they are responsible for themselves and are no longer unwilling participants..


SO basically reward them for evading the law? Maybe we should do that for other people who evade the law for a long time.


So that the next illegal alien ass kisser we have for president can give them citizenship and a right to vote? No thank you.

I think we can tell how long the kids have been here by their education records.

If they attended public school beginning with the 1st grade that would be credible evidence.

The reality is that although trump won the others side has a lot of political power too.

A good compromise is that we build the wall.

Aggressively deport criminals and deadbeats but allow a very limited amnesty for the best of the illegals

I cant tell you how many that will be but I'm guessing at least 60% are in danger of deportation under my plan

 

[Cameron]

While I think the wall is a little ridiculous it doesn't bother me that much. The idea of kicking out illegals who were brought here as children and lived most their lives here is what troubles me.

I agree with this. I don't really care if we build a wall. It would create a lot of jobs. So in that respect you could view it as a kind of economic stimulus. I'm more concerned about the ethics of kicking people out of the country who have spent years building families and lives here. I also don't want to antagonize our relationship with Mexico too much. There are 122 million people in Mexico, and if a radical group of them starts to hate Americans I think it could be much more problematic than hatred of Americans abroad.

 

[Mac77]

I agree with this. I don't really care if we build a wall. It would create a lot of jobs. So in that respect you could view it as a kind of economic stimulus. I'm more concerned about the ethics of kicking people out of the country who have spent years building families and lives here. I also don't want to antagonize our relationship with Mexico too much. There are 122 million people in Mexico, and if a radical group of them starts to hate Americans I think it could be much more problematic than hatred of Americans abroad.

If we build the wall and stop the bleeding then we can offer a limited amnesty to illegal aliens with a squeeky clean - meaning zero criminal offenses - and no history of using the welfare system.

For illegals who pass the test give them a green card only with no chance to ever become citizens

 

[Cameron]

If we build the wall and stop the bleeding then we can offer a limited amnesty to illegal aliens with a squeeky clean - meaning zero criminal offenses - and no history of using the welfare system.

For illegals who pass the test give them a green card only with no chance to ever become citizens

I don't see why it's necessary to deny citizenship for all time. If they are not preventing anyone else from getting it, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get it in time, with appropriate qualifications.

 

[Mac77]

I don't see why it's necessary to deny citizenship for all time. If they are not preventing anyone else from getting it, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get it in time, with appropriate qualifications.

I think there has to be some punishment for people who break the rules and jump in line ahead of other people who did follow the rules

America accepts more legal immigrants than any other country.

But for every immigrant in a foreign country who is accepted there are 100 that are not.

We should reward those who obey the law and punish those who dont

Allowing legal immigrants to become citizens is the right thing to do

Giving the same reward to illegal aliens is wrong

 

[Orly?]

I don't see why it's necessary to deny citizenship for all time. If they are not preventing anyone else from getting it, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get it in time, with appropriate qualifications.

Because they are felons maybe?

 

[Cameron]

I think there has to be some punishment for people who break the rules and jump in line ahead of other people who did follow the rules

America accepts more legal immigrants than any other country.

But for every immigrant in a foreign country who is accepted there are 100 that are not.

We should reward those who obey the law and punish those who dont

Allowing legal immigrants to become citizens is the right thing to do

Giving the same reward to illegal aliens is wrong

I don't really disagree with any of this, but if they are going to be here anyway, contributing to their communities and stimulating the economy and what not, it doesn't seem right to forever deny citizenship. I also don't think coming/staying here illegally makes someone a bad person, which is unlike most other types of crimes. I think an argument could be made that people who come here illegally want/need it far more than those who don't, and that provides some justification for granting them citizenship over others. Every time I think of the immigration issue I think of the words on the Statue of Liberty, which are so strongly associated for me with what it means to be American, and what makes us different than other countries. We need control over our immigration system, but we also need to balance that with our values.

 

[Cameron]

Because they are felons maybe?

I wouldn't deny citizenship to someone because they smoked marijuana either. There are crimes and then there are crimes.

 

[Mac77]

I don't really disagree with any of this, but if they are going to be here anyway, contributing to their communities and stimulating the economy and what not, it doesn't seem right to forever deny citizenship.

I also don't think coming/staying here illegally makes someone a bad person,

which is unlike most other types of crimes. I think an argument could be made that people who come here illegally want/need it far more than those who don't, and that provides some justification for granting them citizenship over others. Every time I think of the immigration issue I think of the words on the Statue of Liberty, which are so strongly associated for me with what it means to be American, and what makes us different than other countries. We need control over our immigration system, but we also need to balance that with our values.

In my system they would not be bad people since only the most outstanding would be allowed to stay

But for the reasons I listed before thre has to be some reward for coming here legally and some cost for breaking the law