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Buffalo students told ‘all white people play a part in perpetuating systemic racism’

The question isn't what are they teaching. The question is why are these people on the board. Why do parents allow this.
 

You're playing the victim right now.
 
I haven't heard anything about a video like you describe, do you have a link? Systemic response? LOL

You saw the video in a previous post. Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

The curriculum was anti- systemic -racism, based. It was accompanied by a video of young black children/youth that were murdered by whites/police.

These are the first victims depicted in the video. These kids were walking, playing sleeping and standing when they were murdered.

Trayvon Martin, 17 old black teenager (pictured as a 13 old) killed by a white/Hispanic.

On November 22, 2014, Tamir Rice, a 12-year old African-American boy, was killed in Cleveland, Ohio, by Timothy Loehmann, a 26-year-old white police officer. Rice was carrying a replica toy gun; Loehmann shot him almost immediately after arriving on the scene.

Kimani Gray black 16 yr old was shot by two plainclothes officers in East Flatbush in March of 2013 after police said he pulled a gun on them. Gray's family and supporters have argued that no witnesses saw Gray with a gun. A gun was recovered from the scene, according to police.

White Texas police officer kills unarmed and nonthreatening African-American teenager. The police officer was convicted in this case.

I'm not saying the deaths of these individuals are not very sad or justified. Black Lives Do Matter!

You may not see the message in this video, but I bet the 6yr old kindergarteners in the Buffalo Schools do or will figure it out!

 
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It's a race to the bottom and our enemies are enjoying our decline.

is it surprising parents put their kids in private school?
 
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Buffalo students told ‘all white people play a part in perpetuating systemic racism’
So...it has come to fighting Racism with Racism....why am I not surprised.
 

Agree. If conservatives knew some of the topics that normal teachers led with students in order to develop their critical thinking and to encourage them to form their own opinions about complicated, sometimes controversial topics, they'd throw themselves down the nearest stairwell, crawl back to the top, and then throw themselves down it again. Because sometimes those topics are about political and social issues, occasionally current events that students want to talk about.

So many conservatives are suspicious of education because they have little familiarity with it. The New York Post knows that. They'll toss in enough trigger words and phrases to elicit the moral outrage and sense of victimhood that its conservative readers are looking for.
 

"Do you believe these discussions should start with 6 year olds?...
...including a video of young black children that have been murdered by white racist people /cops....
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Of course there're all kinds of videos about all kinds of murders, I was responding to your statement above. I had (apparently mistakenly) thought your were claiming that the curriculum included playing and having 6 year old's actually watch black children being murdered by cops in the classroom.

I'm sorry you and many conservatives believe that making anyone, including kids aware of the racism they face as political. It's no more political that making anyone aware of sexism, or homophobia in our society...
 

Having black and white kids (especially before they have formed a strong prejudice) together is a great opportunity to make them aware of and understand racism and prejudice in America. And, I'm sure you would agree that a constructive and unbiased approach (K-12) could also go a long way in deescalating the division between black and white America.

Unfortunately, I think it's also political by the labeling and almost daily accusations of racism toward white republicans and/or white conservatives by many of our political leaders in this country. I don't see compromise in the words of either side.
 
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Agree on first point. If we're talking about adults now, conservatives have opposed the fight for civil rights and against racism since our country was founded. Conservatives seem to believe that in 2021 we have finally overcome racism and it's no longer a major hindrance to people of color. But what conservatives don't realize is they've felt the same way and claimed the thing after we freed the slaves, after we stopped their lynchings, after we forced them to allow blacks to sit with whites at lunch counters and in buses, after we stopped their redlining blacks out of white neighborhoods and after people of color achieved powerful positions.

So now conservatives are following the exact same pattern they have for hundreds of years and they still are unable to see, to grasp, to look at their past history and understand that this is yet another rerun of what they've said over and over again. I can asure, you we have not overcome racism and it continues to be a major hindrance to people of color and the current fight to overcome systemic racism will probably be the most difficult to overcome. You won't be seeing people of color compromising on racism anymore than you would see all Americans compromising on their freedom. Given our history and how slowly our society changes (thanks to conservatives), you can rest assured that in the coming years, after every hard won battle over racism, your kids and your your grandkids will be claiming the same thing...
 

OK, glad too hear you agree. "Having black and white kids (especially before they have formed a strong prejudice) together is a great opportunity to make them aware of and understand racism and prejudice in America. And, I'm sure you would agree that a constructive and unbiased approach (K-12) could also go a long way in deescalating the division between black and white America?

And, I would be happy and anxious to discuss conservatives, racism and systemic racism. But, for the purpose of this thread, and I believe importance of this discussion, is you answering the question, do you think that (not the written curriculum), but the message of Fatima Morrell and the Black Lives Matter video for 6 yr olds is an appropriate way to start a constructive and unbiased approach (K-12) that could lead the way in deescalating the division between black and white America?

In the meantime, I'll start my response on your post above.
 
At the middle school age, I would question the veracity of the differences. It doesn't really matter if it is being taught as fact, it will be remembered thusly at that age. Critical thinking skills don't really develop and "fodder for discussion" doesn't really become apt, until college. In middle school, they might as well be on in the same. (facts and fodder)

The bottom line is that we shouldn't be teaching or talking about stuff without significant research showing it is accurate. CRT is not based in reality, it is based in some alternate reality where every bad thing that has happened to the black community is because of racism.
 

I'm all for including Black Lives Matter principles into a schools curriculum. I think the video you linked is too much, too soon for 6 year olds (1st grade), but fine for 4th or 5th grades and above. Your question is academic as I can't anyone proposing that this be shown in a classroom of 6 year olds.

I think this video is suited for 6 year olds in a 1st grade class;

 

You greatly underestimate the critical thinking of American kids. I don't believe talking about the racism people of color face will have kids believing that all white people are racist. Believing racism shouldn't be discussed until college is ridiculous. How can kids be taught about slavery and the history of how blacks have been treated for hundred of years in America without discussing racism? Do you think teachers should just say that was all in the past, and it's no problem now? Or talking about it makes me (the teacher) feel uncomfortable?

Fathers have to have, "the talk" with their boys when they grow big enough to be perceived by the police to be a threat, that could happen when they're 16 years old. There's no reason to not discuss the racism in the classroom that requires this talk at home. I won't debate people who believe the racism people of color currently face, "is based in some alternate reality", it's just to far from the reality I live in. It's not just you, I wouldn't debate someone who believes liberals kill children to drink their blood either...

Piaget’s Four Stages
StageAgeGoal
SensorimotorBirth to 18-24 monthsObject permanence
Preoperational2 to 7 years oldSymbolic thought
Concrete operationalAges 7 to 11 yearsLogical thought
Formal operationalAdolescence to adulthoodScientific reasoning
 
CRT will be indoctrinated into every school by these racist people. It's not about race it's about shifting power. The virtue signaling and D.E.I. teachings are a part of reparations and social justice.
 

And the simple response is all the above may be true, and yet, the curriculum, as alleged, and some aspects of the training, as alleged, is objectionable.
 

An objection is to the propaganda. It is one thing to teach historical facts, it is another to teach propaganda, especially propaganda from a specific POV.
 
An objection is to the propaganda. It is one thing to teach historical facts, it is another to teach propaganda, especially propaganda from a specific POV.

If you believe shouldn't discuss systemic racism, how about children of color discussing the historical facts of their own experiences of the racism they've personally endured?...
 

It's hilarious how little a sense of irony people have when they tell people of a certain race that they're all racists.
 
Who gives a shit what woke white liberals say.

It's all BS anyways.

When minorities move in, they move out.

They love preaching their moral authority at a distance from minorities.
 

Thanks for my first chuckle of the day.

I needed that.

If some bleeding hearts think life is hard for non-Caucasians now, just wait until most of the Caucasians are gone by the end of the century!

What FOOLS!
 
Who gives a shit what woke white liberals say.

It's all BS anyways.

When minorities move in, they move out.

They love preaching their moral authority at a distance from minorities.


So true.

They are the biggest hypocrites in the world! (And they know it. That's why they were so infuriated by President Trump.)
 
I'm so glad I moved away from New York a long time ago.
 
An objection is to the propaganda. It is one thing to teach historical facts, it is another to teach propaganda, especially propaganda from a specific POV.
Is it not possible that facts can be used as propaganda?
 
And don't believe that the education system has become a liberal / progressive indoctrination system?
 
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