Buffalo students told ‘all white people play a part in perpetuating systemic racism’

[Tonawanda]

If you believe shouldn't discuss systemic racism, how about children of color discussing the historical facts of their own experiences of the racism they've personally endured?...

Absolutely! With a teacher moderating a group discussion, I think the students would get a much fairer and more truthful picture from each other, than they would from the BLM videos or in some cases even their parents.

Of course, I presume white students would be able to join the discussion too?

 

[SoCal]

Absolutely! With a teacher moderating a group discussion, I think the students would get a much fairer and more truthful picture from each other, than they would from the BLM videos or in some cases even their parents.

Of course, I presume white students would be able to join the discussion too?

Yes of course, they might learn something about what their classmates face. It would help them understand about the racism kids of color face and could spark discussions with their white parents who ignore and turn their heads when it comes to racism.

Great video I posted huh?...

 

[Lisa]

Leftists like yourself have always tried to indoctrinate young people, e.g. Mao's red guards, Hitler youth, the komsomol, the various fascist youth organizations, etc.

Are you denying that Hitler was a bit of a bigot? id suggest that you ask 6 million Jews, black people, the disabled, LGBT and Roma, among others, about that, but he extermined them in the concentration camps. Fascism is a far right conservative idea, despite your furious attempt to spin and blame others.

In the course of the Second World War, the Nazis murdered nearly six million European Jews. This genocide is called the Holocaust. Here, you can read about its causes and backgrounds, the stages of the Holocaust, and the perpetrators.

What is the holocaust?

During the Second World War, the Nazis murdered nearly six million European Jews. This genocide is called the Holocaust. Here, you can read about its causes and backgrounds, the stages of the Holocaust, and the perpetrators.

www.annefrank.org

Position in the political spectrum. Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum. Such scholarship focuses on its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.

Wiki/fascism

One consequence is that no one really knows what the term means anymore. Liberals see fascism as the culmination of conservative thinking: an authoritarian, nationalist, and racist system of government organized around corporate power. For conservatives, fascism is totalitarianism masquerading as the nanny state.


A new book by Yale philosopher Jason Stanley is the latest attempt to clarify what fascism is and how it functions in the modern world. Stanley focuses on propaganda and rhetoric, so his book is largely about the tropes and narratives that drive fascist politics.

How fascism works

A Yale philosopher on fascism, truth, and Donald Trump.

www.vox.com

 

[Tonawanda]

I'm all for including Black Lives Matter principles into a schools curriculum. I think the video you linked is too much, too soon for 6 year olds (1st grade), but fine for 4th or 5th grades and above. Your question is academic as I can't anyone proposing that this be shown in a classroom of 6 year olds.

I think this video is suited for 6 year olds in a 1st grade class;

Yes, it is ok for both the white and black younger students to learn about racism with this video.

So, what will the 4th and 5th graders learn from the BLM video?

And, when will the black students learn that not all white people are racists? Will they learn that prejudice can come from both directions.
Will the white students be able to ask questions and be involved in the discussion???

Or, will the follow up for 4th and 5th graders be the BLM video of innocent black children being murdered by white people!

 

[Tonawanda]

Yes of course, they might learn something about what their classmates face. It would help them understand about the racism kids of color face and could spark discussions with their white parents who ignore and turn their heads when it comes to racism.

Great video I posted huh?...

Yes, more than appropriate for kids to learn about racism.

I'm the one who brought up the parents. I was referring to both white and black parents. You seem to be stuck on one color.

There is plenty of black and white anger and prejudice going around to confuse the kids. We don't need to add to it in the schools!

 

[SoCal]

Yes, it is ok for both the white and black younger students to learn about racism with this video.

So, what will the 4th and 5th graders learn from the BLM video?

And, when will the black students learn that not all white people are racists? Will they learn that prejudice can come from both directions.
Will the white students be able to ask questions and be involved in the discussion???

Or, will the follow up for 4th and 5th graders be the BLM video of innocent black children being murdered by white people!

I'm not even sure what the video is claiming other than these kids were killed. If so kids would learn that black kids die at a much higher rate than white kids. Keep in mind as far as I know, no administrator in any school district is suggesting this be shown to 6 year olds.

No one is teaching black students that all white people are racists. If racism is discussed in class of course both black and white kids would be involved and learn that racism and prejudice can and does come from both directions. They should also learn which side's lives have been actually impacted by racism and how this began since the founding of our country...

 

[aociswundumho]

Fascism is a far right conservative idea, despite your furious attempt to spin and blame others.

No, it isn't.

Fascists are collectivist, they view groups as the relevant moral entities, just like all leftists do, but people on the far right, like myself, support individualism. Fascists support state control over the economy, just like all leftists, whereas people on the far right support laissez faire capitalism. Finally, fascists are statists, just like you are. They seek government solutions to every problem under the sun. People on the far right despise the state.

Yes fascists are nationalists, but so what? The pledge of allegiance, which was designed to indoctrinate children to worship the state, was written by Francis Bellamy, who was a socialist. There is nothing unusual about a leftist who is also a nationalist. Observe how upset all of the progressives here on DP were and still are over the "insurrection". I wasn't upset about it all, because I'm not a nationalist.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

No, it isn't.

Fascists are collectivist, they view groups as the relevant moral entities, just like all leftists do, but people on the far right, like myself, support individualism. Fascists support state control over the economy, just like all leftists, whereas people on the far right support laissez faire capitalism. Finally, fascists are statists, just like you are. They seek government solutions to every problem under the sun. People on the far right despise the state.

Yes fascists are nationalists, but so what? The pledge of allegiance, which was designed to indoctrinate children to worship the state, was written by Francis Bellamy, who was a socialist. There is nothing unusual about a leftist who is also a nationalist. Observe how upset all of the progressives here on DP were and still are over the "insurrection". I wasn't upset about it all, because I'm not a nationalist.

By your own definitions you are someone feeding off the resources of the many to fund your individual pursuits.

Your ideology sounds like that of a welfare queen.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Will they learn that prejudice can come from both directions.

Who ever said it didn’t? The thing is systemic racism is only leveraged against Black people in this country. We were founded by white supremacy.

 

[Lisa]

No, it isn't.

Fascists are collectivist, they view groups as the relevant moral entities, just like all leftists do, but people on the far right, like myself, support individualism. Fascists support state control over the economy, just like all leftists, whereas people on the far right support laissez faire capitalism. Finally, fascists are statists, just like you are. They seek government solutions to every problem under the sun. People on the far right despise the state.

Yes fascists are nationalists, but so what? The pledge of allegiance, which was designed to indoctrinate children to worship the state, was written by Francis Bellamy, who was a socialist. There is nothing unusual about a leftist who is also a nationalist. Observe how upset all of the progressives here on DP were and still are over the "insurrection". I wasn't upset about it all, because I'm not a nationalist.

You're all over the map. You cannot possibly be both a collectivist and support individual freedom. Donald Trump was a fascist.

Fascism is commonly associated with German Nazi and Italian regimes that came to power after World War I, though several other countries have experienced fascist regimes or elements of them. Adolf Hitler in Germany, Benito Mussolini in Italy, Francisco Franco in Spain and Juan Perón in Argentina were well-known fascist leaders of the 20th century. [Dictator Deaths: How 13 Notorious Leaders Died]

Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus of social science at Columbia University in New York who is widely considered the father of fascism studies, defined fascism as "a form of political practice distinctive to the 20th century that arouses popular enthusiasm by sophisticated propaganda techniques for an anti-liberal, anti-socialist, violently exclusionary, expansionist nationalist agenda."

What is fascism?

Fascism is a political ideology that's actually pretty difficult to define.

www.livescience.com

 

[aociswundumho]

You cannot possibly be both a collectivist and support individual freedom.

Correct.

 

[Lisa]

Correct.

Thank you for admitting that Fascism isn't collectivist. They also don't support individual rights for all people, but only white males.

I'm not a statist, unless you can somehow bee both an anarchist and a statist. You treat political science like a Chinese takeout menu,. 2 from column A, 2 from column B and......................

 

[aociswundumho]

Thank you for admitting that Fascism isn't collectivist. They also don't support individual rights for all people, but only white males.

I already stated that fascism is collectivist. You said, "You cannot possibly be both a collectivist and support individual freedom.", which is correct, because fascist do not support individual freedom.

I'm not a statist, unless you can somehow bee both an anarchist and a statist. You treat political science like a Chinese takeout menu,. 2 from column A, 2 from column B and......................

Your profile says progressive, and progressives are extremely statist.

 

[NotreDame]

If you believe shouldn't discuss systemic racism, how about children of color discussing the historical facts of their own experiences of the racism they've personally endured?...

I have no aversion to historical facts. Kids maybe need to be taught there was a Fugitive Slave Clause in the U.S. Constitution. Maybe they should have to read the appalling and offensive defense of slavery by John C. Calhoun. Cover, perhaps, the lynchjngs, red lining, and augment this discrimination with the historic discrimination against Jews, Chinese, and Irish, that occurred in the U.S. I have no reservations of exposing how damn racist the early WASP dominated American Republic was to blacks, ethnic minorities, and other nationalities.

Let’s, perhaps, teach kids the racist tactics of some of the LAPD, which inspired and popularized an entire genre of rap music by Cube, Tupac, and others (ironically enough, mass consumed by white middle class teenagers and adults). Let’s teach the kids, statistically, the glass ceiling black, college educated, people experience.

From my view, there’s enough historical offenses to make the point: the U.S. was a damn racist and sexist nation in 1787, and vestiges of this racism have persisted today.

 

[Tonawanda]

Who ever said it didn’t? The thing is systemic racism is only leveraged against Black people in this country. We were founded by white supremacy.

I never said, "anyone said it didn't"

What I did say is "Will they learn that prejudice can come from both directions?"

 

[Tonawanda]

If so kids would learn that black kids die at a much higher rate than white kids.

That is true. Seems that the Black Lives Video is concentrating on a very small specific group of kids.

I would think they would be more interested in all black children killed. Almost 16,000 Black Children killed between 1999 and 2017


Published in March in the American Journal of Medicine, the study found that between 1999 and 2017, nearly 39,000 gun-related deaths occurred among children and young people ages 5 to 18. Blacks accounted for 41 percent of overall deaths.

Thousands of children, teens killed by guns annually in US

Gun deaths among America’s school-age children are reaching alarming levels, a new study finds.

www.thenationshealth.org

 

[Integrityrespec]

At a time, in my opinion, when race relations in America are at an all time low, Buffalo school teachers apparently are required to use this curriculum in grades K-12.

The story of Buffalo Public Schools is a sad and familiar one: a dying industrial town, underperforming inner-city schools, and high rates of failure among racial minorities. Instead of focusing on improving academic achievement, however, Buffalo school administrators have adopted fashionable new pedagogies: “culturally responsive teaching,” “pedagogy of liberation,” “equity-based instructional strategies,” and an “emancipatory curriculum.”

Buffalo Public Schools diversity czar Fatima Morrell, architect of the district’s pedagogical revolution, summarizes these dense phrases in a single word: “woke.” Last year, in her role as director of the Office of Culturally and Linguistically Responsive Initiatives, Morrell created a new curriculum promoting Black Lives Matter in the classroom and an “antiracist” training program for teachers. According to one veteran teacher, who requested anonymity, Morrell’s training programs have pushed “radical politics” and, in practice, become a series of “scoldings, guilt-trips, and demands to demean oneself simply to make another feel ‘empowered.’” Teachers must submit to these “manipulative mind games” and express support for Morrell’s left-wing politics, or risk professional retaliation.

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"In kindergarten, teachers ask students to compare their skin color with an arrangement of crayons and watch a video that dramatizes dead black children speaking to them from beyond the grave about the dangers of being killed by “racist police and state-sanctioned violence.”

"After Morrell’s presentation, one teacher reaffirmed this political imperative, declaring that students must become “activists for antiracism” and public school teachers should begin “preparing them at four years old.”

"Buffalo Public School Administrator denial!

Lessons being taught based on Black Lives Matter principles, which the author finds disturbing, are being taken 'out of context,' . WGRZ link

I was also able to find the following in the Buffalo Public Schools Black Lives Matter written curriculum.

What are the guiding principles of the Black Lives Matter in Schools curriculum? There are 13 BLM Guiding Principles, please find the links here: 13 Guiding Principles and Kid-Friendly 13 Guiding Principles Buffalo Public Schools focuses its First Weeks lessons on the following Guiding Principles: Diversity, Restorative Justice, Collective Value, Empathy, and Loving Engagement. These principles are defined as: ● Collective Value means that all Black lives, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location, matter. ● Empathy is one’s ability to connect with others by building relationships built on mutual trust and understanding. ● Diversity is the celebration and acknowledgment of differences and commonalities across cultures. ● Loving Engagement is the commitment to practice justice, liberation, and peace. ● Restorative Justice is the commitment to build a beloved and loving community that is sustainable and growing.
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So, the question is, What are the Buffalo School Teachers Teaching? I think for a very significant percentage of teachers, they will put the kids education first, and leave the politics, bias, and prejudice out of the classroom. But, I'm also concerned that a minority of them will not.

Buffalo students told ‘all white people play a part in perpetuating systemic racism’

The story of Buffalo Public Schools is a sad and familiar one: a dying industrial town, underperforming inner-city schools, and high rates of failure among racial minorities. Instead of focusing on…

nypost.com

VERIFY: Article on Buffalo Public Schools claims curriculum is infused with a political agenda

Lessons being taught based on Black Lives Matter principles, which the author finds disturbing, are being taken 'out of context,' according to BPS administrator.

www.wgrz.com

https://www.buffaloschools.org/cms/lib/NY01913551/Centricity/Domain/9000/Culturally%20and%20Linguistically%20Relevant%20FAQ%20v2.pdf

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1LGslwJwhXvpVnDgw0uC-n794l6EGzpuH

Fact Check: Are Buffalo Schools Teaching That Whites Perpetuate Racism?

Buffalo Public Schools (BPS) in Erie County, New York, found itself the subject of national headlines this week for its work incorporating anti-racist principles into its curriculum.

www.newsweek.com

It's a shame BLM doesn't apply its 13 standards to all people of every race.

 

[Integrityrespec]

That is true. Seems that the Black Lives Video is concentrating on a very small specific group of kids.

I would think they would be more interested in all black children killed. Almost 16,000 Black Children killed between 1999 and 2017


Published in March in the American Journal of Medicine, the study found that between 1999 and 2017, nearly 39,000 gun-related deaths occurred among children and young people ages 5 to 18. Blacks accounted for 41 percent of overall deaths.

Thousands of children, teens killed by guns annually in US

Gun deaths among America’s school-age children are reaching alarming levels, a new study finds.

www.thenationshealth.org

Is BLM addressing black youth killed by other black youth?

 

[cpwill]

In a nation that looks back at a history of hundreds of years of slavery, a Civil War fought to end it, post war Jim Crow laws, battles over desegregation, roving lynch mobs, police brutality, and more.....it's a bit odd that anyone could honestly claim that race relations are at an all time low. Well, unless you consider that to the average white conservative man, nothing could possibly be worse than someone forcing them to undertake a bit of introspection as to America's far from stellar record on race. And, even more horrifying, the notion that even well meaning people sometimes help to perpetuate systems that leave minorities at a disadvantage.

After all, your average white kid learns very little about these things growing up. Sure, we are taught that slavery existed and we learn of the Civil War. We remember the names of some of the generals and the important battles fought. But are we ever really asked to embrace the full ugliness of the black experience in America? The generations of enslaved people? What it really means when your government considers you 60% of a white person? The more than a century of battling for basic equality following emancipation? What it feels like to grow up as a black child in the South and walk to a school named after a Confederate leader who believed he had a God given right to own people who look like you?

Hard questions? Sure, but fair. I think white fragility can handle a little bit of introspection about how we have failed black Americans in the past and continue to do so today.

That's a mott and bailey. "We should teach honest history" is a helluva lot different than "children are guilty of racial sin".

 

[brianpatrick]

I already stated that fascism is collectivist. You said, "You cannot possibly be both a collectivist and support individual freedom.", which is correct, because fascist do not support individual freedom.



Your profile says progressive, and progressives are extremely statist.

Actually, naziism was started by a collectivist, but was taken over by Hitlers brand of authoritarianism. Nazis hated communists, collectivists, and socialists. They were an extreme version of a top-down hierarchy.

 

[aociswundumho]

Actually, naziism was started by a collectivist, but was taken over by Hitlers brand of authoritarianism. Nazis hated communists, collectivists, and socialists.

Hitler hated Marxists, because most Bolsheviks were Jewish and Marx himself was a Jew. Hitler had no problem with communism per se. In fact, communists were welcomed into the Nazi party. Fascism and Communism amount to pretty much the same thing in practice.

They were an extreme version of a top-down hierarchy.

Just like every communist country that has ever existed.

 

[iguanaman]

Yeah, never too young to indoctrinate kids into the next social justice warriors.

When do you think racism is indoctrinated into kids? Racism is spread by the parents.

 

[iguanaman]

Hitler hated Marxists, because most Bolsheviks were Jewish and Marx himself was a Jew. Hitler had no problem with communism per se. In fact, communists were welcomed into the Nazi party. Fascism and Communism amount to pretty much the same thing in practice.



Just like every communist country that has ever existed.

LOL You keep twisting the truth to fit your worldview. Hitler loved the wealthy most. They bankrolled him and in return he promised oust the Bolsheviks they feared. It was a deal with the devil.
Hitler hated Communist Russia so much it cost him the war.
It’s a largely forgotten piece of history, but in 1932 the German Nazi Party was facing financial ruin. How did the Nazis move from being broke to being in control of the German government just a year later? The Nazi Party was bailed out by German industrialists in early 1933.

The industrialists who led the way were two huge German firms, I.G. Farben and Krupp. Leaders of both of companies were among the few civilians who were later charged with war crimes at the Nuremberg Tribunals after World War II. These trials placed the story of their financial and moral support of the Nazis into the historical record. Krupp was a huge arms manufacturer. I.G. Farben was a vast chemical company which made everything from Bayer aspirin to Zyklon B, the poison used in the gas chambers.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis

 

[SoCal]

...From my view, there’s enough historical offenses to make the point: the U.S. was a damn racist and sexist nation in 1787, and vestiges of this racism have persisted today.

Ok, let's just skip over the race who everyone knows receives the brunt of America's racism. 48% of Mexican Americans have experience discrimination. 25% of all Asian-Americans have experienced discrimination while applying for jobs, in pay and promotions and in renting/buying housing. 35% of Asian-Americans say they, or a family member have experienced threats or nonsexual harassment, 20% have experienced violence.

Describing the racism that exists today as, "vestige" (the smallest amount used to emphasize the absence of something or a trace of something that no longer exists), is just out of touch with reality. Someone who has never experienced it on a regular basis, or has heard stories of racism and discrimination from friends and family on regular basis, might lead someone to question how pervasive America's racism is. Throw in 4 hours of FOX news every night and conservatives will be convinced racism is a thing of the past or there're only "vestiages" left in America.

When old enough, 8th thru 12th grades, having kids of all races talk about their experiences with racism and discrimination will help kids of all races, including conservative white kids, understand how far America still has to go...

 

[aociswundumho]

LOL You keep twisting the truth to fit your worldview. Hitler loved the wealthy most. They bankrolled him and in return he promised oust the Bolsheviks they feared. It was a deal with the devil.
Hitler hated Communist Russia so much it cost him the war.
It’s a largely forgotten piece of history, but in 1932 the German Nazi Party was facing financial ruin. How did the Nazis move from being broke to being in control of the German government just a year later? The Nazi Party was bailed out by German industrialists in early 1933.

The industrialists who led the way were two huge German firms, I.G. Farben and Krupp. Leaders of both of companies were among the few civilians who were later charged with war crimes at the Nuremberg Tribunals after World War II. These trials placed the story of their financial and moral support of the Nazis into the historical record. Krupp was a huge arms manufacturer. I.G. Farben was a vast chemical company which made everything from Bayer aspirin to Zyklon B, the poison used in the gas chambers.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis

Nothing you posted contradicts anything I wrote. Furthermore, Hitler didn't "love the wealthy", he used them for his own ends. They were terrified of communists, so they backed Hitler. But in the end, there was little difference between the two.

Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.

Adolf Hitler: Man of the Year, 1938

Greatest single news event of 1938 took place on September 29, when four statesmen met at the Führerhaus, in Munich, to redraw the map of Europe. The three visiting statesmen at that historic...

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Same butcher, different apron.