Brits: Who are you planning to vote for in the GE.

[Laila]

I recall seeing members of the BNP waving nazi flags at some point. If I am wrong please correct me, but why would the brits even consider people like that for office?

Because a minority are stupid.
Give us a recession, with jobs going and some people will turn on minorities [non whites] in a heartbeat.

 

[Vader]

Because a minority are stupid.
Give us a recession, with jobs going and some people will turn on minorities [non whites] in a heartbeat.

Oh yeah... I forgot about the ignorance factor.

:doh

 

[Wessexman]

Michael Howard made immigration one of the biggest issues of his campaign in '05. This was at a time when the government was at the height of an unpopular war and having it's fair share of internal problems; foundation hospitals, top-up fees, etc. The Tories still conspired to lose a third straight election.

So? You're not really making a point, you're just pointing at loose associations. It doesn't change what most Brits feel.

I'd assocaite "nasty" with anti-immigrant,

That is perhaps because you have a PC liberal ideology.

not so much anti-EU, however the anti-EU folks in the Tory party are without doubt amongst the nastiest. For example, did anyone ever call Ken Clarke nasty?

I've seen him called a lot worse, not without reason.

An electable, centre-left, political party? The horror.

PC, anti-British, liberal thugs. They were quite horrible.

I think they could have gone further than they did over some issues, I don't support much of their foreign policy, but I'm hardly going to vote Tory over that issue! Frankly I don't really know what you're talking about, would you prefer it if they were still controlled by the Unions, or more accurately by certain high ranking Union officials?

I'd prefer it over Blair who not only gave away more and more of our sovereignty and opened borders even more but made the Labour party his own private platform and pushed his PC ****e on the rest of us.

New Labour has not only attacked our ancient institutions like the Lord and Church but invaded our civil liberties and forced all manner of idiotic PC experiments on us. Diversity officers anyone!

 

[Wessexman]

I recall seeing members of the BNP waving nazi flags at some point. If I am wrong please correct me, but why would the brits even consider people like that for office?

I don't think they do often fly Nazi flags, not officially anyway. They're a far-right, unsavoury organisation but the usual leftie rent-a-mobs and PC thugs are almost as bad and go into hysterics over them trying to make them out as fascists or Nazis or whatever.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I recall seeing members of the BNP waving nazi flags at some point. If I am wrong please correct me, but why would the brits even consider people like that for office?

As Laila points out, when the economt takes a downturn people need scapegoats.

As for the BNP being a misunderstood far-right i.e. non fascist or non nazi movement, you have to make your own mind up. Look here (read the responses by BNP members to the newsman's blog) for an article by Peter Hitchens on the BNP and then read here, for his reaction after they suddenly started posting against him.

Peter Hitchens is basically a good man - no matter what his left leaning critics may think, his views are further right than many but he is also into freedom of speech etc. So for the reactions against him tells you quite a bit about the BNP.

 

[Wessexman]

As for the BNP being a misunderstood far-right i.e. non fascist or non nazi movement, you have to make your own mind up. Look here (read the responses by BNP members to the newsman's blog) for an article by Peter Hitchens on the BNP and then read here, for his reaction after they suddenly started posting against him.

Peter Hitchens is basically a good man - no matter what his left leaning critics may think, his views are further right than many but he is also into freedom of speech etc. So for the reactions against him tells you quite a bit about the BNP.

The BNP suck there is no doubt. The problem is they really aren't "fascists" if you compare, most experts don't even consider Franco a fascist, and there is this tendency amongst the PC liberal left like Searchlight and the lib dems to try and label them fascist and then simply dismiss them because of this and a lot connected with them like criticism of mass immigration and the EUroplot. This is in fact counter-productive which was sort of the point of the Peter Hitchen's article I recently made a thread about.

 

[bub]

I'm not very familiar with your electoral system, but is there a point in voting for small parties? Your system is not proportional, even if small parties get 30 or 40% in dozens of circonscriptions, they won't get any seat!

 

[kaya'08]

If they dont think that borrowing there way out of a reccession is the right path then i couldnt give a ****.

 

[Slainte]

So? You're not really making a point, you're just pointing at loose associations. It doesn't change what most Brits feel.

Issues like immigration are constantly misrepresented by the media, many British people have little idea what type of immigration polices we actually have. They hear horror stories about immigrants getting benefits or council housing while hardworking “British” people are left behind and they conclude something must be wrong with the system. It’s a classic populist issue. When actual immigration policies are laid out by major parties however, british people, especially in the last election where immigration was made into one of the largest issues, chose the “softer” option.

You rail against immigration, claim the Tories don’t represent your view, feel “swamped” all the way in Australia I guess, so exactly what type of immigration policy would you propose?

PC, anti-British, liberal thugs. They were quite horrible.

"Anti-British"? ::doh I hate it when we slip to the American level. :mrgreen:

I'd prefer it over Blair who not only gave away more and more of our sovereignty and opened borders even more but made the Labour party his own private platform and pushed his PC ****e on the rest of us.

Were you even alive in '79? You prefered having stinking garbage on the streets over some Polish people working in Somerfield? What on earth are you going off about. Sure Labour were anti-Europe under the Unions, but frankly not for the reasons you probably are, if you don't like "New" Labour for the reasons you've stated I'm puzled as to where you get your affection for "Old" Labour.

New Labour has not only attacked our ancient institutions like the Lord and Church but invaded our civil liberties and forced all manner of idiotic PC experiments on us. Diversity officers anyone!

Never met, nor been affected by, a diversty officer in my life. There are some communities where they could probably be quite useful though, what's your negative experience with them?

 

[Wessexman]

Issues like immigration are constantly misrepresented by the media, many British people have little idea what type of immigration polices we actually have. They hear horror stories about immigrants getting benefits or council housing while hardworking “British” people are left behind and they conclude something must be wrong with the system. It’s a classic populist issue. When actual immigration policies are laid out by major parties however, british people, especially in the last election where immigration was made into one of the largest issues, chose the “softer” option.[

This doesn't change the constant poll results and doesn't really deal with them. All you are saying is that Labour was voted in to gov't while the Tories were talking about immigration. It is far from complete proof and doesn't match up to the constant poll results. If you hadn't noticed elections are about more than one issue and in fact today are often more about personality and media savvyness than issues.

You rail against immigration, claim the Tories don’t represent your view, feel “swamped” all the way in Australia I guess, so exactly what type of immigration policy would you propose?

To reduce immigration and stop the open borders with Europe.

"Anti-British"? ::doh I hate it when we slip to the American level. :mrgreen:

I suppose you prefer the European?:lol:

Were you even alive in '79? You prefered having stinking garbage on the streets over some Polish people working in Somerfield? What on earth are you going off about. Sure Labour were anti-Europe under the Unions, but frankly not for the reasons you probably are, if you don't like "New" Labour for the reasons you've stated I'm puzled as to where you get your affection for "Old" Labour.

I'm not a great fan of old labour but from what I know I would have prefered it to the New.

Never met, nor been affected by, a diversty officer in my life. There are some communities where they could probably be quite useful though, what's your negative experience with them?

:lol:

So you support diversity officers. Big surprise.

My entire nation has been effected very much by the PC bull**** and authoritarianism of New Labour. From having people stopped for displaying English flags or evangelising in Muslim neighbourhoods to attacks on ancient English institutions like the house of lords and church and ignoring parliament in favour of the media to authoritarian attacks on civil liberties such as anti-terrorist and anti-smoking laws to open borders to giving away more and more sovereignty to wankers in Brussells. The list goes on and on and I didn't even have to mention Iraq.

No doubt you support a lot of this because you are a PC liberal but me and a lot of ordinary people despise it and it is what makes Blair's gov't the worst in this nation for a long time.

 

[GarzaUK]

I had to either vote other or Conservative because I live in Northern Ireland. For some reason mainland UK political parties don't run here except the Conservatives or the damned BNP. :roll:

I will probably vote Alliance, which is like the Northern Irish Lib Dems. If I lived on Britian I would vote for the Lib Dems hands down.
Or I might vote Conservative to actually make my vote count for bloody something.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- the PC liberal left like Searchlight --

That's the first time I've ever seen "searchlight" labelled as "PC Liberals". :lol:

They have another self-proclaimed label which is more correct i.e. "anti-fascist" as that is all they do. They have no other policies that I know of that would count as "PC Liberal"

 

[Wessexman]

That's the first time I've ever seen "searchlight" labelled as "PC Liberals". :lol:

They have another self-proclaimed label which is more correct i.e. "anti-fascist" as that is all they do. They have no other policies that I know of that would count as "PC Liberal"

Searchlight are run by the usual PC-liberal, rent-a-mob crowd.

You know people who'd rather throw terms like fascist and Nazi around and call anyone not for open borders and multiculturalism as racist rather than actually sensibly debating the issues and combating the BNP.

 

[Real Talk]

Im not british but ive studied british politics and if I were britih id be voting for respect or the lib dems.

 

[Wessexman]

Im not british but ive studied british politics and if I were britih id be voting for respect or the lib dems.

The lib Dems make me feel slightly sick.

 

[Real Talk]

The lib Dems make me feel slightly sick.

Theyve come down on the right side of anything that matters to me.
But im not a big fan of 'supporting' political parties.
Just try to elect the lesser evil and then hold it to account.

 

[Real Talk]

Other than your stance on the eu (which we disagree on) can I get som examples of what you dont like about them?
Specific policies please.

 

[Wessexman]

Theyve come down on the right side of anything that matters to me.

Not necessarily a good thing.

But im not a big fan of 'supporting' political parties.
Just try to elect the lesser evil and then hold it to account.

I doubt the lib dems will help there. They seem to want to take power and accountability away and lodge it in Europe.

 

[Wessexman]

Other than your stance on the eu (which we disagree on)

So your a New Zealander who wants my country to surrender more sovereignty to the EU. Interesting.

can I get som examples of what you dont like about them?
Specific policies please.

I don't have specific polices off the top of my head but it doesn't mean I don't have a mostly accurate view of them.

Basically their Europhilism and universalism is a major one. There lack of defense of the traditional institutions and traditions of my nation, and their often hostility to them; I want nothing to do with those who will not defend "Church and King" as the old Tory motto goes. Their lax ideas of border control, their support for PC programs and multiculturalism and their general social democracy.

 

[Real Talk]

So your a New Zealander who wants my country to surrender more sovereignty to the EU. Interesting.

I am both a belgian and a new zealander and expressing my opinion on who I think I WOULD vote for if I were a citizen of Britain.
Britain will vote for who they want to vote for and I wouldnt act to undermine this choice. So if ur implying im an outsider trying to tell you what to do, you are wrong. Im not saying thats what ur implying, but I know that ur a bit sensative about thats tuff, so i thought id throw it out there early. But im not really interested in discussing your opinion on the EU. Not that its not an interesting topic. But im quite familiar with ur sentiments on it, and I think it will derail us.

 

[Real Talk]

I don't have specific polices off the top of my head but it doesn't mean I don't have a mostly accurate view of them.

When I studied the election manifesto's of the major british parties in the last election as a part of my academic studies, there policy platform included many goals and policies I found to be vastly superior to the rest of the major parties.


End of the day tho, I could NEVER vote tory, and labor has ebtrayed its traditional base, economically outflanking the conservatives on the right, and engaging in agressive wars that only serve the military industrial complex and its capitalist owners.

So Im going to need some REAL policies that they suggest to convince me there is anything wrong with voting for these guys. Because the labor party NEEDS a wake up call. Even if it means giving an election to the tories (by voting for 3rd parties).

I also more generally hate the concept of 2 party political systems.

 

[Wessexman]

When I studied the election manifesto's of the major british parties in the last election as a part of my academic studies, there policy platform included many goals and policies I found to be vastly superior to the rest of the major parties.

Yes but you are a liberal.

End of the day tho, I could NEVER vote tory,

That says it all.

and labor has ebtrayed its traditional base, economically outflanking the conservatives on the right, and engaging in aggressive wars that only serve the military industrial complex and its capitalist owners.

aAnd of course their surrender of sovereignty, some might call it treason, and aggressive PC policies.

I also more generally hate the concept of 2 party political systems.

Where it matters there is little difference between New Labour and the Lib dems.

 

[Real Talk]

Yes but you are a liberal.



That says it all.
aAnd of course their surrender of sovereignty, some might call it treason, and aggressive PC policies.


Where it matters there is little difference between New Labour and the Lib dems.

Nothing then? Just emotive ****?
p.s. the term liberal means NOTHING. And is certainly not a dirty word.
But im not sure I am a liberal. But im certainly not tory right wing.

 

[Wessexman]

Nothing then? Just emotive ****?
p.s. the term liberal means NOTHING. And is certainly not a dirty word.
But im not sure I am a liberal. But im certainly not tory right wing.

So you don't have an argument?

I dont have to jump through your hoops and show you specific policies, I just can't be bothered. This in no way invalidates my general view of the lib dems. Do you seriously think I'm incapable of going to their website and finding their policies I disagree with? I just can't be bothered as it is not necessary.

I note you have no given reasons why you don't support the lib dems.

And you are a liberal, believe me. If you think the Tories are too conservative today then boy you're a liberal.

 

[Real Talk]

....................................................................
Ur the one saying a party makes u sick.
Im asking a legitimate question you should already have an answer for.
You are obviously extremely passionate about the topic.
But what is the rationale?
Other than there aproach to the EU, what policies of this aprty do you not aprove of?

And who said anything about the tories being 2 conservative?
Conservative as a political term emans about as mucha s liberal.
But its the right wing economic program I know that they would pursue that means I could never vote for them. The british conservative party to me represents rule by the rich for the rich, and id never support it.
This has nothing to do with liberalism, and everything to do with my understandings of economics.

p.s. A supporter of local autonomy using the term 'liberalism' as an insult is a contradiction in terms.