British police end intelligence sharing on manchester attack with u.s. After multiple

[DA60]

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The information wasn't leaked by any Joe Blow. It was leaked by people in our federal government. During an investigation information is withheld from the public all the time. I guess the DNC talking points must have come out because I see a lot of people coming up with new excuses for the leakers.

I don't much care who leaked it.

My point is - until I see unbiased, factual proof of exactly how these leaks hurt the investigation - I am not buying it for one second. And I am not interested in theories. I am only interested in links to UNBIASED FACTS.

Cops can be INCREDIBLY territorial. That sounds like this is what is going on here.

I think they are way overreacting.

Come on now. The perp is DEAD. And his accomplices - if he even had any - will already know that the cops know about these things through forensic investigation. There is nothing earth-shattering in these photos imo until I see unbiased proof to the contrary.

I believe releasing these images actually will do more good then harm in this investigation as people will come forward with helpful information based on these photos who would not do so otherwise.

 

[reinoe]

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I don't much care who leaked it.

My point is - until I see unbiased, factual proof of exactly how these leaks hurt the investigation - I am not buying it for one second. And I am not interested in theories. I am only interested in links to UNBIASED, FACTS.

Cops can be INCREDIBLY territorial. That sounds like this is what is going on here.

I think they are way overreacting.

I believe releasing these images actually will do more good then harm in this investigation as people will come forward with helpful information based on these photos who would not do so otherwise.

The Brits view it differently...

This isn’t the first time that operational details in an ongoing investigation have come out in the United States.

Days after the London transit bombings in 2005, for instance, images of bomb components and the inside of a subway car were leaked in U.S. media.

Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, said he complained to acting U.S. ambassador Lewis Lukens that the leaks were undermining the investigation.

The Brits are soon going to realize that if the U.S. is going to get involved there's going to be leaks that compromise the investigation. If the Brits don't have a problem with compromised investigations, then I guess they'll keep inviting our federal government.

 

[DA60]

Re: British police end intelligence sharing on manchester attack with u.s. After mult

The Brits view it differently...


The Brits are soon going to realize that if the U.S. is going to get involved there's going to be leaks that compromise the investigation. If the Brits don't have a problem with compromised investigations, then I guess they'll keep inviting our federal government.

Understood.

But I will say again...until I see links to unbiased proof EXACTLY how these leaks hurt the Brits investigation - I am not buying it.

I think the Brits are just sick and tired of America butting in (sometimes for the best - sometimes not)...and that frustration is boiling over after this horrific event.

 

[Anthony60]

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Obama isn't President any longer. We didn't have these leaking problems with him even though he had "loosened the regulations". Perhaps because he could keep a tab on his stuff. Now it's Trump's turn to get a hold of it.

Just more damning evidence that this was a plan put in place under the Obama administration. Of course they would not leak against Obama.

Y'all just desperately look for somewhere, someone to point the finger at so you don't have to take responsibility. But it ain't Obama running to the Russians, giving away intel. And it ain't Obama running things now.

Trump needs to get his **** together, or we need to find someone else who can.

Sure isn't Trump's guys doing it. Trump needs to get rid of anyone with Obama fingerprints on them. I have no idea why this isn't happening, like, yesterday.

 

[Fishking]

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Guidelines? Seriously? You think that is going to stop it? How about LAWS, policies or resending the laws or policies that allowed it to happen in the first place. Guidelines are exactly that. They guide you but they don't force anyone to change nor does it hold them accountable if they don't. Policies and laws are what enforce guidelines.

Uhhh....wut? There are already laws, guidelines, and policies covering this stuff. They are being violated.

 

[Fishking]

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Is the previous administration in charge now? If this is the problem you're claiming it to be, shouldn't we be dealing with it in the here and now, and now living in the past?

Is it not possible that these leaks are happening because Trump cannot maintain proper control? Or does it all have to be some Obama conspiracy? Or Fake News. Or whatever else y'all use to remove personal responsibility from your side to point fingers at the other in a never ending battle to not accomplish anything.

Is it reasonable to have such things under control, in such a short period, with such a vast Intelligence Community and further having to spend so much time and resources fighting against ginned up controversies by the media and blocking of appointees by Congress?

We have sitting Congress critters calling for impeachment so there are a lot of things pulling from different directions.

 

[Fishking]

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Obama isn't President any longer. We didn't have these leaking problems with him even though he had "loosened the regulations". Perhaps because he could keep a tab on his stuff. Now it's Trump's turn to get a hold of it.

Y'all just desperately look for somewhere, someone to point the finger at so you don't have to take responsibility. But it ain't Obama running to the Russians, giving away intel. And it ain't Obama running things now.

Trump needs to get his **** together, or we need to find someone else who can.

What kind of alternative timeline are you working with? Because the one based in reality has that loosening of regulations happen only days before Trump was sworn in. Oh...and why did you put that in quotations as if it wasn't actually true?

 

[Fishking]

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Right? I mean, I can't expect intellectually honest discourse with the partisans, we just have to go into these threads with that knowledge in mind. But damn the dodging and deflection is it getting to some epic proportions, it's like the Matrix. So for four years, we're going to have to put up with "It's Obama's Fault" from the partisans. They'll never take stock of their own side, they'll never consider the possibility that their guy is the one flubbing up. It will always be someone else's fault.

I remember when Conservatives exalted personal responsibility as a virtue. lol

Well, maybe if you actually operated in reality then you'd have standing to say such things. I already pointed out that you have an issue with living in temporal realities.

 

[Fishking]

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The British authorities were notified via call in's 5 times about this little prick who blew up these little girls.

Seems to me that they don't do jack **** with the intelligence they have to begin with.

Security services missed five opportunities to stop the Manchester bomber

Don't want to look xeno or Islamaphobic.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

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What does that have to do with now? Snowden blew the whistle and ran on Obama's terms. That doesn't mean that Trump bears no responsibility to the current mess.

You were the one who tried to say this didn't happen on Obama's watch. Well it did. It was his lax in security that opened the door and started this whole mess.

These are your words below. I will agree Obama is no longer president but his lax policies on security and information need to be fixed immediately.

Obama isn't President any longer. We didn't have these leaking problems with him even though he had "loosened the regulations".

Oh and did you forget Comey's grandstanding that caused Hillary to lose the election. That isn't part of his job disrupting elections or deciding if someone should be prosecuted. Obama should have fired him before Trump ever took office except he didn't like Hillary either.

 

[DA60]

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Was Manchester Blowback?

written by daniel mcadams
wednesday may 24, 2017

Western intervention in Libya opened the country up to radical Islamist gangs which had been suppressed under Gaddafi. Just as Gaddafi warned. Same in Syria, where western destabilization efforts have led to an al-Qaeda and ISIS presence that was not there before the west had decided on "regime change" for the secular Assad. Who benefitted from the rise of these radical groups? People like the Manchester suicide bomber, who travelled to both countries for training and radicalization. Western interventionist foreign policy has contributed to the Manchester bombing, a classic "blowback" action. The bomber is guilty, but so are those who endorsed the policies creating conditions for people like him to flourish.'

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Was Manchester Blowback?

 

[truthatallcost]

Re: British police end intelligence sharing on manchester attack with u.s. After mult

British Police End Intelligence Sharing on Manchester Attack With U.S. After Multiple Leaks



Can't really blame anyone anymore for not wanting to share any intelligence with us when they can't be certain it won't end up somewhere it shouldn't. :shrug:

The clip you posted mentioned only one group of Americans who leaked information that the Brits wanted kept secret: The New York Times.

 

[Ikari]

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Just more damning evidence that this was a plan put in place under the Obama administration. Of course they would not leak against Obama.


Sure isn't Trump's guys doing it. Trump needs to get rid of anyone with Obama fingerprints on them. I have no idea why this isn't happening, like, yesterday.

The level of conspiratorial nonsense some will engage in to avoid responsibility is amazing sometimes.

It can't be that Trump is inept, it has to be that everyone else is against him and engaged in a massive conspiracy to try to make him look bad.

Some folk need a good does of Occam's Razor

 

[Ikari]

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Well, maybe if you actually operated in reality then you'd have standing to say such things. I already pointed out that you have an issue with living in temporal realities.

Yes, if all else fails, attack the poster. Good ol' ad homs will save the day!

Trump has had months to get this under control. It's never been a problem before. So either everyone is against him, or he's incompetent. Of course, we cannot even consider the latter, right? It must be all Obama's fault.

lol

partisans.

 

[Roadvirus]

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Time to start hooking up White House staffers to a polygraph. That's the best way to find out the leaker.

 

[Ikari]

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You were the one who tried to say this didn't happen on Obama's watch. Well it did. It was his lax in security that opened the door and started this whole mess.

No I didn't. I didn't say nothing happened on Obama's watch. Just that not everything can be attributed to him.

These are your words below. I will agree Obama is no longer president but his lax policies on security and information need to be fixed immediately.



Oh and did you forget Comey's grandstanding that caused Hillary to lose the election. That isn't part of his job disrupting elections or deciding if someone should be prosecuted. Obama should have fired him before Trump ever took office except he didn't like Hillary either.

Trump has had months to get on this. These leaks didn't just start happening, and if it really was something that happened because of Obama, Trump should have put down the phone, stopped tweeting things for long enough to fix it.

The "Obama did it!!!" deflection is just weak-sauce excuse for a weak-sauce President who can't hold his administration together.

 

[Fishking]

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Yes, if all else fails, attack the poster. Good ol' ad homs will save the day!

Trump has had months to get this under control. It's never been a problem before. So either everyone is against him, or he's incompetent. Of course, we cannot even consider the latter, right? It must be all Obama's fault.

lol

partisans.

Yes, you can play the victim because I corrected your utter ignorance of the timeline of events. That's fine. I then called you out for trying to act like you could take the high road, despite your objections not being reality-based.

If there is a Victim Olympics, you're sure vying to make the team.

 

[Ikari]

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Yes, you can play the victim because I corrected your utter ignorance of the timeline of events. That's fine. I then called you out for trying to act like you could take the high road, despite your objections not being reality-based.

If there is a Victim Olympics, you're sure vying to make the team.

There is a Victim Olympics, it's being won by the "Obama Did It!" crowd, lol.

 

[truthatallcost]

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Yes, very true.



Honestly, do you think anyone on the right would care as long as they leaked information to undermine a democrat? Most likely not.

It goes both ways. American Democrats loved Julian Assange, before he started including corrupt Democratic Party members in his WikiLeaks. They literally went from saying that the rape charges against him were bogus, to 'lock him up, he's a rapist!'

Partisan hackery is at it's all time highest.

 

[Anthony60]

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The level of conspiratorial nonsense some will engage in to avoid responsibility is amazing sometimes.

It can't be that Trump is inept, it has to be that everyone else is against him and engaged in a massive conspiracy to try to make him look bad.

Some folk need a good does of Occam's Razor

You can't claim that it is because Trump is inept, when the facts of the matter clearly make that impossible, so let's move on from that ridiculous claim. That is a leftist mantra that was pushed all along the campaign and hasn't stopped, with zero factual backing. Ironically, it comes from a group that gave us Obama, the least qualified President ever, and then Hillary, who belonged no where near the White House.

You want it simple? They've investigated the Russian BS for months, and have found no collusion. Therefore, there's no collusion.
Another simple one. The leaks started before Trump appointed one person, with Obama people. Simple, Obama's people are in there leaking to hurt Trump.

The thing Trump is responsible for... all these people should be gone, and they are not.

 

[apdst]

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You mean like President Trump? You mean like President Trump who just leaked a foreign country's intelligence to another country?

You do understand the difference, right?

I compare the president sharing information and leakers committing a crime is just down right idiotic.

 

[reinoe]

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The thing Trump is responsible for... all these people should be gone, and they are not.

For this I agree. The longer this goes on, the more Trump is responsible. He needs to pull the trigger and engage in mass-firings. FFS, McCabe is the Deputy FBI and his family has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democrats.

 

[notquiteright]

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The IC really has to get it's crap together. These leakers need to be tracked down and gotten rid of. None of the left cared about it as long as they were leaking to undermine Trump.

None of the right cared about it as long as they were leaking to undermine Hillary... eace

 

[braindrain]

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Yes, the plot thickens, as the incident is beginning to resemble so many others....

Manchester Bombing: What We Don?t Know | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

You must be confused. This is not the CT section and very few people out side of CT loons care what crap sites like global research have to say. And for very good reason.

 

[Anthony60]

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None of the right cared about it as long as they were leaking to undermine Hillary... eace

Right, whenever that happened? Or you mean when the dopey DNC got hacked? That's the DNC, not the government. Or you mean when dopey Hillary put her server out on the internet? I heard she didn't intend to get hacked, so it's all good.

People on the left are leaking classified information to leftist media outlets in order to damage our President. What equivalent of that was done to Hillary by the right?