I dunno Laila, it has some major budgetary problems. Never say never.
It's called unsustainable national welfare, and it's turning England into a second-rate country.
The Brits will either undo NH, or it will undo itself. It's inevitable.
And yes, we're stepping in the same steamy pile of dog doo step by step.
We will never dismantle the NHS. I can confidently say that imo.
I would bet the majority of the British public would rather see our nukes and our military cut than the NHS removed entirely.
It really isn't any of my business to be perfectly honest. I came to this thread to see which of my countrymen were going to opine as I figured it was related to the American pro-UHC side. The UK is a staunch ally of the U.S. so naturally I wish the best for your country as well as mine. I think from what I've seen though that if the UK keeps the NHC major reforms and cost reduction measures will have to be implemented, by cost reduction I mean the root causes and not reaction to the back end which requires limitations on payouts.We will never dismantle the NHS. I can confidently say that imo.
I would bet the majority of the British public would rather see our nukes and our military cut than the NHS removed entirely.
I'm sorry, but I'm the one who has pointed to history with specifics. You rely on pronouncements of what is clear.
Again, this is not a new issue. Democrats even tried hard once before (hence the Harry and Louise). Republicans held both the WH and Congress. Please point to me the effort they put into health care reform.
During the recent efforts they had their say but were ignored by the left.
No. You've used hysterics, emotional arguments, talking points, outright propaganda, and even bull**** statistics. But I've definitely never seen specifics from you.
Maybe you have heard me say it...I dont think it is GOING to be thrown out. i doubt the republicans will win back the congress and I doubt they have enough ummmph (or balls) to attempt to throw it out. Democrats will continue to create and pander to the crippled and dependent pets that keep them elected. We will eventually have universal health care. And we will in short order have 17 trillion dollar debt that we wont be able to pay even the interest on. inflation will increase and unemployment will increase.
I dont think the republicans are answer...two sides of the same coin...Im sure you have seen me say that. We MAY overcome this...but it will take enough citizens to say no more and to vote them ALL out. I dont know when or if THAT will happen. I quite honestly cant foresee what we will look like in 8 years.
It really isn't any of my business to be perfectly honest. I came to this thread to see which of my countrymen were going to opine as I figured it was related to the American pro-UHC side. The UK is a staunch ally of the U.S. so naturally I wish the best for your country as well as mine. I think from what I've seen though that if the UK keeps the NHC major reforms and cost reduction measures will have to be implemented, by cost reduction I mean the root causes and not reaction to the back end which requires limitations on payouts.
Again, with democrats in control pushing, they have said nothing. History. All they do is spread is spread misinforamtion trying to kill it so they don't have to do anything. Show me one thing they did in powere to push reform.
Calling out bull**** isn't stereotyping. Maybe you should learn what that word means. K, thx.:lamo When you internalize stereotypes too much, you start reading things not written.:lamo
I'm so glad you used the word cheaper. It's the perfect term to describe UHC. Value is when the asked price and it's utility meet as closely as possible, cheap is typically of inferior quality. Now you guys are getting it.You seem to forget... the NHS is still way cheaper than anything the US has.. No doubt the NHS could use some reforms and cut the fat off so to say, but dismantling it outright.. no way. Compared to the US, the NHS is a freaking bargin on every level.
Calling out bull**** isn't stereotyping. Maybe you should learn what that word means. K, thx.
:lamo When you internalize stereotypes too much, you start reading things not written.:lamo
Well, been fun but you aren't even smart enough to know what a stereotype is so now I'll have to put you on ignore. I think it's even more hilarious that you laugh at all of this instead of just owning your incompetance. Well, been fun. Bye loser. :lamo:lamo
If you were doing that, you might have a point. As you seem to just be mouthing a stock stereotype, not so much.
I would pay higher taxes for NHS.
I would not support it for the military tho.
So not surprising it is the same for many other European countries.
Well, been fun but you aren't even smart enough to know what a stereotype is so now I'll have to put you on ignore. I think it's even more hilarious that you laugh at all of this instead of just owning your incompetance. Well, been fun. Bye loser. :lamo
So worth the points.
:lamo
Run if you must.
Says the person that ran from my post.
I'm so glad you used the word cheaper. It's the perfect term to describe UHC. Value is when the asked price and it's utility meet as closely as possible, cheap is typically of inferior quality. Now you guys are getting it.
You keep repeating the same argument even after it was explained why it doesn't work. How about tweak it a little using the suggested methodology and then we can discuss it.Cheap does not mean inferior quality by any means. That is why we have medical statistics, and they show that despite Europeans on average paying half the amount for healthcare than American, we get as good if not better care. And that is the truth of it. Now you can deny it all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. If UHC was so terrible, then we would live shorter lives in Europe and be at the bottom individual health statistics.. we are not, we are in the top of most.
And often expensive means you have been taken for a ride. Take a Bang & Olafusen. Their products are expensive as hell, because of the design. But in reality the bits and pieces inside are no different than an ordinary tv or stereo.. you pay for the design and get a Phillips TV at a high price. Or say Ferrari sun glasses.. they are expensive as hell because of the name, but a cheap Ray Band is just as good. Higher price does not mean you get maximum for your money.. it often means you have been "taken for a ride". A store that sells milk for 15 bucks a gallon vs a store that sells it for 5 bucks a gallon ... do you really think that the 15 buck a gallon milk is superior?
You keep repeating the same argument even after it was explained why it doesn't work. How about tweak it a little using the suggested methodology and then we can discuss it.
Are your ears and mind closed? Seriously, stop with your partisan lies. I won't provide you with endless links to prove that the GOP did have ideas, but here's one.
Ezra Klein - The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
I know many Brits in the States that were disgusted with the healthcare system there, and are dumbfounded why we are considering switching to such an abortion of a plan here.
And those ideas were put in the bill, despite you saying they were ignored.
Did you really expect that the bill was going to be modeled exactly along the conservative line? If they wanted the bill tailored to their expectations, they should have taken care of it when they had the Senate, House and the White House. But guess what? They weren't interested, so now they have to take the position of being in the minority. When they take back Congress they can modify it more to their liking, like they did with Social Security and Medicare...
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