Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

[Rogue Valley]

Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday.

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10/27/20
The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday. "They were criminal leading up to this in everything that they -- the way they moved forward on it, including the warrant, was deception," a man identified only as Juror No. 2 told "CBS This Morning" in an excerpt aired Tuesday. The interview marks the first time the public is hearing directly from the anonymous grand jurors, who had previously commented through their attorney, saying the panel was not given an opportunity to consider homicide charges in the case against police officers who served a no-knock warrant at Taylor's home during a March drug raid. Another juror told CBS's Gayle King the behavior and actions of the police were "negligent."

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron's office declined comment on Tuesday, referring to a statement last week in which the special prosecutor said he asked for an indictment on charges that could be proven under state law. Taylor, 26, was fatally shot by Louisville Metro Police Department officers who broke down her apartment door as they served a no-knock warrant on March 13. The unusual statements -- grand jury proceedings are intended to be secret, with some exceptions -- followed a recent ruling from Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Annie O'Connell and shed further light on a case that has led to protests across the country and exemplified the ways that the "war on drugs" disproportionately hurts Black Americans. Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear last week called on the state attorney general to release "all information" related to the Taylor grand jury proceedings after the second anonymous juror issued a statement saying the panel was not given an opportunity to consider homicide charges.

Basically, grand jurors are saying that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron limited their indictment options to only what "he thought" prosecutors could prove in court. This tied the hands of the grand jury to indict for higher crimes.

Cameron, a Republican, called for halting abortions in Kentucky during the coronavirus pandemic. He also legally challenged executive orders Governor Beshear took to combat the spread of COVID-19.

 

[pamak]

Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Basically, grand jurors are saying that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron limited their indictment options to only what "he thought" prosecutors could prove in court. This tied the hands of the grand jury to indict for higher crimes.

Cameron, a Republican, called for halting abortions in Kentucky during the coronavirus pandemic. He also legally challenged executive orders Governor Beshear took to combat the spread of COVID-19.

And some people will continue to believe that lack of a grand jury indicetment is a sign that jurors have examined all the relevant facts that prosecutors presented, and concluded that there was no foul play.

 

[Napoleon]

And some people will continue to believe that lack of a grand jury indicetment is a sign that jurors have examined all the relevant facts that prosecutors presented, and concluded that there was no foul play.

And reasonable people will continue to believe that you choose to put your own life at risk when you choose to stand in close proximity to someone who is shooting at police.

 

[Drawdown]

And some people will continue to believe that lack of a grand jury indicetment is a sign that jurors have examined all the relevant facts that prosecutors presented, and concluded that there was no foul play.

I've never even known what the basic facts were in this case they have been so confused like whether boyfriend had a gun was boyfriend a drug dealer etc etc. Unfortunate for Ms. Taylor and her family either way.

 

[pamak]

And reasonable people will continue to believe that you choose to put your own life at risk when you choose to stand in close proximity to someone who is shooting at police.

My comment was meant to highlight a general misconception about grand juries because people believe that they actc lke aregular court where each side presents it case. In reality, prosecutors control the process.

 

[Bullseye]

Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Basically, grand jurors are saying that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron limited their indictment options to only what "he thought" prosecutors could prove in court. This tied the hands of the grand jury to indict for higher crimes.

Cameron, a Republican, called for halting abortions in Kentucky during the coronavirus pandemic. He also legally challenged executive orders Governor Beshear took to combat the spread of COVID-19.

WTF does the AG's stand on abortion got to do with this case? Aren't the Grand Jurors claiming he did exactly what an AG is supposed to do: seek indictments for case he thinks he can win? Isn't that how the system works?

 

[pamak]

WTF does the AG's stand on abortion got to do with this case? Aren't the Grand Jurors claiming he did exactly what an AG is supposed to do: seek indictments for case he thinks he can win? Isn't that how the system works?

That is how is supposed to work, but the problem with cases involving cops is that prosecutors have a confict of interest because on the one hand they are supposed to investigate and even indict bad cops, and on the other hand they need to retain good relationships with police departments and unions which often protect bad cops.

 

[NatMorton]

Like everyone else, these grand jurors are entitled to their own opinions, but unless they have information which nullifies or materially alters what is already on the public record, the accusations of negligence on the part of police really don't hold up.

What I think the facts, as known, tell us:

1. The killing of Breonna Taylor was a tragic accident. No one intended it to happen.
   
   
2. Given the evidence on hand at the time, the search warrant issued for Taylor's apartment was entirely justified.
   
   
3. The conditions that led to that search warrant, and thus the tragedy, were largely, though not solely, of Taylor's own making.

And no, I don't mean she deserved to die, but when you voluntarily and knowingly allow yourself to be part of a violent drug dealers' world, bad stuff has a way of finding you.

 

[Bullseye]

That is how is supposed to work, but the problem with cases involving cops is that prosecutors have a confict of interest because on the one hand they are supposed to investigate and even indict bad cops, and on the other hand they need to retain good relationships with police departments and unins which often protect bad cops.

So, no cop has ever been charged and prosecuted for committing crimes? That gonna come as a surprise for four ex-cops in Minneapolis.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Basically, grand jurors are saying that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron limited their indictment options to only what "he thought" prosecutors could prove in court. This tied the hands of the grand jury to indict for higher crimes.

Cameron, a Republican, called for halting abortions in Kentucky during the coronavirus pandemic. He also legally challenged executive orders Governor Beshear took to combat the spread of COVID-19.

That is the way a GJ always works since it can only evaluate the evidence and charges presented to it by the prosecution.

 

[pamak]

So, no cop has ever been charged and prosecuted for committing crimes? That gonna come as a surprise for four ex-cops in Minneapolis.

I did not say that.
And such evidence of occassionally prosecuting some cops does not mean that there is no flaw within foundation of the system itelf which permits bad cops use excessive force.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Like everyone else, these grand jurors are entitled to their own opinions, but unless they have information which nullifies or materially alters what is already on the public record, the accusations of negligence on the part of police really don't hold up.

What I think the facts, as known, tell us:

1. The killing of Breonna Taylor was a tragic accident. No one intended it to happen.
   
   
2. Given the evidence on hand at the time, the search warrant issued for Taylor's apartment was entirely justified.
   
   
3. The conditions that led to that search warrant, and thus the tragedy, were largely, though not solely, of Taylor's own making.

An no, I don't mean she deserved to die, but when you voluntarily and knowingly allow yourself to be part of a violent drug dealers' world, bad stuff has a way of finding you.

#2 is questionable due to the (months of?) time lag from the warrant’s issue date and when it was (eventually) served. That is why the serving officers elected to knock for that no knock warrant.

 

[Bullseye]

I did not say that.
And such evidence of occassionally prosecuting some cops does not mean that there is no flaw within foundation of the system itelf which permits bad cops use excessive force.

When AG's/DA's think they can make the case they take it to the Grand Jury; when they can't they don't. That simple. No evidence these were bad cops, and shooting back when someone shoots at you is not excessive force.

 

[pamak]

When AG's/DA's think they can make the case they take it to the Grand Jury; when they can't they don't. That simple. No evidence these were bad cops, and shooting back when someone shoots at you is not excessive force.

Not it is not that simple for the reasons i explained (conflict of interest).

 

[ttwtt78640]

When AG's/DA's think they can make the case they take it to the Grand Jury; when they can't they don't. That simple. No evidence these were bad cops, and shooting back when someone shoots at you is not excessive force.

How does that explain no charges being filed against the one (house guest?) shooting at police?

 

[NatMorton]

#2 is questionable due to the (months of?) time lag from the warrant’s issue date and when it was (eventually) served. That is why the serving officers elected to knock for that no knock warrant.

Not sure it was months. From memory, I think the warrant was issued in Feb and the raid was executed in March.

Also keep in mind, the raid on Taylor's apartment was coordinated and timed with several other raids on locations believed to be used by Glover as part of his drug trade. I would imagine the logistics of getting approval for and planning a simultaneous, multi-site raid are complex.

 

[Irredentist]

Like everyone else, these grand jurors are entitled to their own opinions, but unless they have information which nullifies or materially alters what is already on the public record, the accusations of negligence on the part of police really don't hold up.

What I think the facts, as known, tell us:

1. The killing of Breonna Taylor was a tragic accident. No one intended it to happen.
   
   
2. Given the evidence on hand at the time, the search warrant issued for Taylor's apartment was entirely justified.
   
   
3. The conditions that led to that search warrant, and thus the tragedy, were largely, though not solely, of Taylor's own making.

And no, I don't mean she deserved to die, but when you voluntarily and knowingly allow yourself to be part of a violent drug dealers' world, bad stuff has a way of finding you.

Living in the same world as a drug dealer makes it ok for the police to break into your house and shoot you?

 

[NatMorton]

Living in the same world as a drug dealer makes it ok for the police to break into your house and shoot you?

No, it is not.

Now getting back to what actually happened in the case, allowing your home to be used as a mail drop for a known drug dealer -- as Taylor did --- and lending your car to a known drug dealer making his runs (and coming along for the ride) between the houses storing his drugs and guns -- as Taylor also did -- is more than sufficient evidence for law enforcement to be granted a search warrant.

 

[Irredentist]

No, it is not.

Now getting back to what actually happened in the case, allowing your home to be used as a mail drop for a known drug dealer -- as Taylor did --- and lending your car to a known drug dealer making his runs (and coming along for the ride) between the houses storing his drugs and guns -- as Taylor also did -- is more than sufficient evidence for law enforcement to be granted a search warrant.

And where is the evidence of this? Where are the packages of drugs? Or did the police forget to search the house after they shot the woman who lived there?

 

[Bullseye]

How does that explain no charges being filed against the one (house guest?) shooting at police?

It's doesn't nor did it attempt to. I have no idea what other charges have or will be filed.

 

[Bullseye]

Not it is not that simple for the reasons i explained (conflict of interest).

LOL, that was more of a wild-ass-supposity than a reason for anything.

 

[Fishking]

Breonna Taylor grand jurors say police actions on night she died were 'negligent' and 'criminal'

The actions of Louisville, Kentucky, police on the night Breonna Taylor was fatally shot were "negligent" and "criminal," two anonymous grand jurors in the case said in a broadcast interview to air Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Basically, grand jurors are saying that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron limited their indictment options to only what "he thought" prosecutors could prove in court. This tied the hands of the grand jury to indict for higher crimes.

Cameron, a Republican, called for halting abortions in Kentucky during the coronavirus pandemic. He also legally challenged executive orders Governor Beshear took to combat the spread of COVID-19.

They are probably trying to take the heat away from them from possibly violent actions taken by leftists if they get their way and have the names of the jurors released which, lets be honest, is literally about creating a mob-justice environment and subvert the entire judicial process.

 

[Rogue Valley]

And reasonable people will continue to believe that you choose to put your own life at risk when you choose to stand in close proximity to someone who is shooting at police.

Breonna shot at the police?

Citation?

 

[Napoleon]

Breonna shot at the police?

Citation?

Her boyfriend shot at the police and she was right next to him.

 

[Rogue Valley]

WTF does the AG's stand on abortion got to do with this case?

He's a typical Republican still living in the 1950's.