Are you essentially saying you have theives and then you have robin hood types? Ones who care about their own personal wealth, and others who feel they're protecting their waters and the people who have sunk into poverty due to their livelihood (fishing the waters) has been severely damaged?
Yes I do.
Unlike probably everyone in this thread, I have met and spoken to members of both of these groups in my trips to my country.
The ones who do it for greed. The pirates are the ones who have their disgusting prostitutes, alcohol, who waste the ransom money on huge houses (You won't believe how OTT some of them are) but stash enough to bribe off the "Governments" and officials. And enough to quieten up the local population
The coast guards are those who are more humble with their ransom money. They use it to compensate those fishermen who have lost out, they build the schools and hospitals and roads in North Somalia.
Yes. I do recognize the difference and I do support one of them. One acted out of desperation and a last resort because it was the only way to protect themselves in the face of the rest of the world turning their back on it. The other started it because of the money involved and the rewards outweighed the risks
A Somalian supporting piracy. How unusual.
The rest of the world turned its back on Somalia?
Recall what happened when the Americans tried to bring aid to that sphincter??
Why was those Americans near Somali waters?
Talk about crazy. Wow.
It's like those Americans who back packed across Iran
They should throw them in jail, however as I understand it there is no place where the Somali pirates can be trialed so they are usually released after a while.
A UN report has suggested in the past to establish such place, but it doesn't seem like the report was taken into consideration.
Prepare to be disappointed
Pirates and the Coast Guards are here to stay.
Yes I do.
Unlike probably everyone in this thread, I have met and spoken to members of both of these groups in my trips to my country.
The ones who do it for greed. The pirates are the ones who have their disgusting prostitutes, alcohol, who waste the ransom money on huge houses (You won't believe how OTT some of them are) but stash enough to bribe off the "Governments" and officials. And enough to quieten up the local population
The coast guards are those who are more humble with their ransom money. They use it to compensate those fishermen who have lost out, they build the schools and hospitals and roads in North Somalia.
Yes. I do recognize the difference and I do support one of them. One acted out of desperation and a last resort because it was the only way to protect themselves in the face of the rest of the world turning their back on it. The other started it because of the money involved and the rewards outweighed the risks
Rev, I think you're only reading what you want to read. She hasn't been "excusing" the mass of them.
They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.
They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.
Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.
Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.
lol
I think they will enjoy American prisons.
I remember a case a while back in which a Pirate was tried and jailed in the Netherlands if memory is correct and then when he finished his term. Was granted asylum because Somalia was and I quote "too dangerous to return him too"
I suggest Djibouti as a country to jail them in.
To the victims. They are one and the same. I can't help that.
But there is a way to distinguish them both. Stop the illegal fishing and dumping. Stop any unlicensed, non military ships going near Somali waters and give assurances. The ones I support would no longer have any need to defend it.
The pirates however ... would still be there trying to hijack ships. Stop them
No, no it's not, the Israeli method like the American one is to target militants. I would simply ask you to take your anti-Israeli propaganda elsewhere as clearly this thread is no place for it.
If you support "one of them" you should show us this otherside and not seemingly excuse the mass of them.
countries llegally dumping and fishing in Somali waters and took their money, so they armed themselves to ward them off.
Hence why Somalis call them coast guards. Not Pirates.
I support those coast guards who operate in Somali waters and always will.
They weren't in Somali waters.
They weren't fishing.
They weren't dumping
They are not a rich company or from one of the countries responsible.
They should have been released. So no.
So the fishermen took it upon themselves to protect Somali waters and it has been fed by greed. It's original cause was noble to me.
And they weren't operating in Somali waters.
Yes I do.
Those who act within Somali waters are defending their territory as is their God given right.
Those who act 100 miles outside of Somali waters have nothing but greed in mind.
When did I even suggest that those Americans ought to be killed. I said they weren't anywhere near Somali waters and I differentiate between those who operate in Somali waters (who are coast guard in my eyes) and those who are pushed by greed (if they die, their own fault) and expand outside of Somali waters and go up to a 100 miles out of it
Um...tell us again how the, "good guys", are doing the right thing?
Not all of them, no. Just some of them.
wouldn't it be easier to militarily escort commerical ships and ban pleasure craft.....take away their ready made supply of victims?
We disagree on what is good or not. So there is no point.
I have already made my opinion clear in this thread and other ones.
Who I consider the Pirates and thieves are also those who have been stealing from Somalia without any compensation to the local populations. The ones who have been doing it without anyone stopping them.
They are just as criminal as those Pirates. The difference being the world is only focusing on one of the criminals and ignoring the other.
Well, good thing I was commenting to reverend's statement of the "mass" of them rather than "Some of them" huh?
I believe everyone well understands that you condone murder, if you agree with the murders taking place. i.e. Somali piracy, Islamist terrorism, etc.
Oh, we don't wanna meddle! Can't have that ****!!
So why you meddling in with Somalia?
Don't you dare try to link my stance on Somali Pirates with that of terrorists. I have never supported terrorists and the fact you are trying to use this to say I support the likes of Al Qaeda says it all.
And if you knew anything about Islam (which you don't except what you learn on FOX). You'd know Islamically what is going on is condemned by Islam and the Qu'ran as theft. Muslim countries ships have also been hijacked.
But unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm an African before I am a Muslim and I will always be a nationalist.
You condone their motivations.
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