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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

If I recall correctly , the US UNCONSTITUTIONALLY and UNNECESSARILY invaded Iraq.

Cool claim. However, that - also - does not mean that Russia or China will come to the defense of Iran, nor does it mean Iran has not proven a threat to the US, Israel, and others.



ASS-K-NAZI Zionists

I appreciate you self-identifying in this manner. Helps everyone to see who is making your arguments.
 
Yup, let's not forget that, Obama put them on a path to nukes.
Thanks, Obama! Iran openly mocked him and declared that they would not stop their program. Trump slowed them down, but when Biden got in, it was full speed ahead again.
Thank God for Trump... with Kamala, they'd be putting the final touches on their brand new nuclear bombs. Israel, New York, and Washington D.C. bound.
He did? You are aware Iran started its nuclear program in the 1950s with US support, yes? Now critiquing what that program became under the Islamic Republic, that's certainly fair game, but Obama most certainly didn't put them on that path.
 
You should be glad you can sit on the sidelines with your popcorn and Coke watching a terrorist regime get decimated by tiny Israel.
You are learning a lot about global politics and how isolated Iran is right now.
Israel hasn’t managed to “decimate” anything except for innocent Palestinian civilians.

Everyone already knew Israel was a rogue state backed by the US, just like apartheid South Africa before it. That’s not news.
 
Iran isn't going to be convinced to not arm to defend itself if it's stated enemy decides to bomb it whenever it feels like it.
Iran is losing its ability to defend itself.
That is exactly what the bombings by Israel are supposed to be doing.
 
Here's a thought... maybe Iran should stop declaring how they want to wipe people off the face of the earth, while pursuing weapons to do so. How about leaving Israel alone instead of trying to kill them simply because the exist?
Here's a thought.......maybe the ASS-k-NAZI Entity will dissolve Israel apologize to the Palestinians for the terrorism they have caused and pay them reparations . The morale of the story : Don't try to create a country in an area which is already populated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
B/C Iran is an independent sovereign country and violently attempting to interfere with their right may trigger a nuclear WW3
You believe Iran has the right to fund militias in Gaza, Lebanon, and Yemen to disrupt the entire region?
To accomplish what as a sovereign nation?
What is their goal as the leading sponsor of terror in the Middle East? What do they hope to accomplish by publicly stating their goal of wiping Israel off the map?
 
You should be glad you can sit on the sidelines with your popcorn and Coke watching a terrorist regime get decimated by tiny Israel.
You are learning a lot about global politics and how isolated Iran is right now.
This really isn't something to cheer, because for whatever the Islamic Republic is, what grows out of chaos tends to be worse. Interestingly enough, we have Iraq as a clear example of what can happen when a despicable leader gets removed and what comes after. The end result of that nation building exercise left an Iraq who was once an enemy of Iran and attacked it with US support, to now a Shia aligned country with close ties to Iran. Let's also not forget the chaos in between then, with ISIL growing out of that chaos.

For Israel to get into this game is odd given its own issues close to home, and since they don't even have a plan for Gaza post conflict, I can't imagine they have one for post air strikes. Destabilizing Iran doesn't guarantee stability, since what you will have is a new power vacuum and we can't assume it's Iranians who are more western aligned be the ones who take over. This is the same mistake that led to the Islamic Republic, and none of this was so long ago that it's not in the minds of the Iranians.
 
Narrative changes according to the whim of those wielding power, and adjusts to whatever suits them best at any given time. For example, Trump calls Putin 'savvy' and his invasion 'genius', then changes his mind and calls him 'crazy' a few months later.
How should she know what they're up to? It's not like she has access to any reliable intelligence.
 
This really isn't something to cheer, because for whatever the Islamic Republic is, what grows out of chaos tends to be worse. Interestingly enough, we have Iraq as a clear example of what can happen when a despicable leader gets removed and what comes after. The end result of that nation building exercise left an Iraq who was once an enemy of Iran and attacked it with US support, to now a Shia aligned country with close ties to Iran. Let's also not forget the chaos in between then, with ISIL growing out of that chaos.

For Israel to get into this game is odd given its own issues close to home, and since they don't even have a plan for Gaza post conflict, I can't imagine they have one for post air strikes. Destabilizing Iran doesn't guarantee stability, since what you will have is a new power vacuum and we can't assume it's Iranians who are more western aligned be the ones who take over. This is the same mistake that led to the Islamic Republic, and none of this was so long ago that it's not in the minds of the Iranians.
I think what should be in the minds of Iranians right now is whether there are enough bomb shelters in Tehran to protect them from Israeli missiles.
What would be on your mind when your city is being threatened by deadly missiles?
 
I think what should be in the minds of Iranians right now is whether there are enough bomb shelters in Tehran to protect them from Israeli missiles.
What would be on your mind when your city is being threatened by deadly missiles?
Ask the 50,000 dead innocent civilians in Gaza. Oh, you can't...
 
You believe Iran has the right to fund militias in Gaza, Lebanon, and Yemen to disrupt the entire region?
To accomplish what as a sovereign nation?
What is their goal as the leading sponsor of terror in the Middle East? What do they hope to accomplish by publicly stating their goal of wiping Israel off the map?
I believe that Iran has the right to assist the Palestinians and to prevent their genocide.
 
You believe Iran has the right to fund militias in Gaza, Lebanon, and Yemen to disrupt the entire region?
That's an interesting question, which in the course of human history has meant those with the might have the "right". The US and other western nations have done this throughout the world, and in this particular region, their actions are what led to much of the mess it's in now.

To accomplish what as a sovereign nation?
Exert influence, much like other nations have done. Iran is a Shia nation surrounded by mostly Sunni nations, so it's been keen on empowering those who subscribe to that form of Islam, who have been suppressed minorities in Sunni Muslim nations. One can critique the means, but it is the same desire other powerful states seek to exert their influence in their region.

What is their goal as the leading sponsor of terror in the Middle East?
I don't have an accounting of who is the regional leader of sponsoring terrorism in the region, but the main players there all do. The small monied Persian Gulf states have (and do), and the Saudis most certainly have, with one of those groups (Al Qaeda) leading the largest terrorist attack on US soil.

What do they hope to accomplish by publicly stating their goal of wiping Israel off the map?
Their position is one against the invasion of European Zionists into Israel and dispossessing the Palestinians. I say this to answer your question, and not to justify their position. This was the view of many of Israel's Arab neighbors because the founding of Israel contains this hard fact along with the actions of Arab nations to attack Israel as well. Over the years Iran's response has been to counter the growth of Israel's power, and since it cannot achieve that directly though military force and technology, it applies its pressure through the various groups it uses as proxies.
 
I believe that Iran has the right to assist the Palestinians and to prevent their genocide.
And how exactly do you think Iran is doing that?
By giving them weapons to kill Jews?
By propping up Hezbollah to threaten Israel in the north?
How about giving Hamas money from oil sales so they can repair and build new tunnels under Gaza from which to harass and kill Jews?
 
I think what should be in the minds of Iranians right now is whether there are enough bomb shelters in Tehran to protect them from Israeli missiles.
What would be on your mind when your city is being threatened by deadly missiles?
Well, there are short term concerns and long term concerns. It's the long term ones that are going to have significant consequences. Israel isn't going to attack Iranian facilities and military targets forever, and since it is not invading Iran, all it's done is cause temporary chaos. The tough part for the Israelis now is having to deal with yet more violence and another conflict that has no clear resolution.
 
And how exactly do you think Iran is doing that?
Well, prior to Israel's campaigns agains HAMAS and Hezbollah, Iran was supplying those two groups (HAMAS in particular) with arms and intelligence to carry out attacks on Israel.

By giving them weapons to kill Jews?
That's the way these things work. We sell weapons to Israel that kill Palestinians, and Iran gives weapons to terrorist organizations to fight against Israelis.

By propping up Hezbollah to threaten Israel in the north?
Yep.

How about giving Hamas money from oil sales so they can repair and build new tunnels under Gaza from which to harass and kill Jews?
It's a bit late for that now.
 
And yet none of those really did much damage. We can see that when they want to actually do damage, they can.


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I was just addressing your claim that Iran had not lobbed missiles at Israel before.

Is it your claim that the previous attack should not count because the Iranians were incompetent, even though it looks like their goal was to inflict serious damage on Israel?
 
That's an interesting question, which in the course of human history has meant those with the might have the "right". The US and other western nations have done this throughout the world, and in this particular region, their actions are what led to much of the mess it's in now.


Exert influence, much like other nations have done. Iran is a Shia nation surrounded by mostly Sunni nations, so it's been keen on empowering those who subscribe to that form of Islam, who have been suppressed minorities in Sunni Muslim nations. One can critique the means, but it is the same desire other powerful states seek to exert their influence in their region.


I don't have an accounting of who is the regional leader of sponsoring terrorism in the region, but the main players there all do. The small monied Persian Gulf states have (and do), and the Saudis most certainly have, with one of those groups (Al Qaeda) leading the largest terrorist attack on US soil.


Their position is one against the invasion of European Zionists into Israel and dispossessing the Palestinians. I say this to answer your question, and not to justify their position. This was the view of many of Israel's Arab neighbors because the founding of Israel contains this hard fact along with the actions of Arab nations to attack Israel as well. Over the years Iran's response has been to counter the growth of Israel's power, and since it cannot achieve that directly though military force and technology, it applies its pressure through the various groups it uses as proxies.
So you have clinically stated and laid out the reasons why Israel and America must stop Iran from achieving its goals of domination in the Middle East.
Good job.
And I applaud Israel for using its resources to prevent its oft stated annihilation by Iran.
Just like Germany and the Soviet Union in the 20th century had to be stopped from achieving total hegemony over Europe, so too Iran has to be stopped from achieving dominance in the Middle East.
You spelled out the reasons for that most nicely.
 
I was just addressing your claim that Iran had not lobbed missiles at Israel before.

Is it your claim that the previous attack should not count because the Iranians were incompetent, even though it looks like their goal was to inflict serious damage on Israel?
I'm simply saying that the current strikes that are causing major damage to Israel are the result of Iran's retaliation. Nothing more, nothing less. It would not have likely happened if Israel had not struck first.
 
So you have clinically stated and laid out the reasons why Israel and America must stop Iran from achieving its goals of domination in the Middle East.
Good job.
Well, that assumes Iran would be able to achieve that, which it cannot and was not able to prior to October 7th either. Now if you share the current president's view of the US staying out of foreign entanglements, then the view you just shared doesn't make sense, since it would require many of the actions that have led to an unstable Middle East. The US just isn't good at policy in the region, and the facts bear that out. Iran was never going to achieve dominion in the Middle East on the path it was on with funding proxies.

These situations always raise the question of who should be dictating these things, since no one nation is appointed guardian of the world, it comes down to whomever has the resources and might to dictate to others. Does Israel have the "right" to attack Iran? Nope. Iran does not have nuclear weapons, and the reasoning is the typical poorly crafted rationale of "preemptive" strike, which coming from Netanyahu rings hollow since he's been claiming Iran will have nuclear weapons in 5 years for over 20 years.

And I applaud Israel for using its resources to prevent its oft stated annihilation by Iran.
Iran is not in a position to annihilate Israel nor has it ever been, that is just a ridiculous position to take. Israel is a nuclear power and is backed by most of the world's nuclear powers, so there's no end game for Iran even if it acquired nuclear weapons.

Just like Germany and the Soviet Union in the 20th century had to be stopped from achieving total hegemony over Europe, so too Iran has to be stopped from achieving dominance in the Middle East.
You spelled out the reasons for that most nicely.
Again, Iran's efforts have not yielded anything close to what you're claiming, it's just fantasy. Actually, quite the opposite was happening since the shift in power has been moving more towards an Israeli/Saudi led sphere of influence. The governments of the region have been moving towards establishing relations with Israel because they see it as a regional power, and there would likely be more stability with that kind of coalition than with Iran. The problem those governments have is their populations are less keen on it because they sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians, which is why the Oct 7th attacks shifted the progress of the alignment I referenced.
 
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