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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

Chomsky said:
The killer is we had this all reasonably sorted out by Obama in 2015, with the JCPOA. IAEA had full access, and weaponized uranium - according to the IAEA - had essentially stopped (power production uranium was allowed).

Then in 2018 Trump, the Master Negotiator, hyperbolically withdrew from the JCPOA. Iran subsequently resumed enriching weapon-grade uranium.

We anti-Trumpers get kicked around a lot by MAGA whenever we cite Trump's failures & transgressions. But I think it's fair in this instance to say Trump has some culpability in getting us to the mess we're currently in.
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You can't expect everyone to support our most loyal ally in the Middle East as it fights to survive in a dangerous neighborhood.
Israel is being threatened by an enemy, Iran, that wants to annihilate it. Iran does not want to give up its uranium enrichment program. So Israel took action to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon. Makes eminent sense to me.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So, since Iran doesn’t want to self destruct….why, exactly, are you arguing they do?
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Exactly this: Give up its uranium enrichment program so it can never create a nuclear weapon.
Simple and straightforward - just exactly what Trump and Bibi told them to do.
 
jaypatriot said:
You can't expect everyone to support our most loyal ally in the Middle East as it fights to survive in a dangerous neighborhood.
Israel is being threatened by an enemy, Iran, that wants to annihilate it. Iran does not want to give up its uranium enrichment program. So Israel took action to prevent them from having a nuclear weapon. Makes eminent sense to me.
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Iran isn't going to be convinced to not arm to defend itself if it's stated enemy decides to bomb it whenever it feels like it.
 
Chomsky said:
Hah!

Mossad has done a spectacular job. Beyond!
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You call yourself Chomsky? Why?
Your views obviously lean in the opposite direction.
Shouldn't you call yourself Mileikowsky? Or "Netanyahu"?
Bunch of Europeans whose ancestors never even set foot in what they call Israel, now calling themselves Israelites. What a masquerade.
And they're trampling all over the United States Constitution, especially Article 1, in connivance with the Cold War state.
 
snakestretcher said:
Indeed; Iraq is still a mess, twenty years on, despite the 'nation building' nonsense. The sheer arrogance of attempting to impose democracy on a nation which had never known it, was disgraceful and it has failed spectacularly. 'Nation destruction' is a more apt description of America's blundering.
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Iraq and the naivety of change, 20 years on

The painful reality is that Washington’s hastily cobbled together ethno-sectarian political system for post-2003 Iraq ended up doing the opposite of what it intended. The regional domino effect was also the opposite of what the U.S. had hoped for, as Iraq became a cautionary tale that regimes...
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reinaert said:
Just stop defending Ritter.
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Let stick to analysis of events pertaining to the thread topic. Stop doing your Epstein act.



reinaert said:
This is antisemitic rubbish. Israel is a client. It ceases to exist without US suzerainty. It is the most dependent client in the world. It depends on its patron more than the separatists in Nagorno. Or the gangsters in Transnistria depend upon Russia.
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You want imperialism. You need for the USA to be an imperial power, just to cater to your precious Israel, and now also your precious Ukraine. Everyone else will be devalued.
This only means continued destruction of the United States, since imperialism is a self-corrupting exercise.
Life will continue to get worse and worse for the imperial subjects living under the Empire.

reinaert said:
It is a bad client, but not from special power over its patron. No, not even close. It's because its patron has been in thrall to end-times antisemites and their fellow travelers, and their eschatology demands the final annihilation of Israel, and nearly all Jews, to pave the way for some Jeebus feller.

One day, the US will have an executive that decides the client isn't worth the trouble. Not if. When. On that day, you can count Israel's lifespan in months.

I won't celebrate. I despise genocide and war crimes. But, it's coming. Israel cannot and will not outpace what it and its patron have allowed to be set in motion.
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They have special power over their patron because they entered into a Faustian bargain with the Cold War Deep State.
That's why JFK died for your sins. That's why his purported assassin also got assassinated, by their contract man Rubinstein.
They almost repeated Dallas 1963 in Butler-PA a year ago, but by some miracle narrowly failed. (Maybe neither Heaven nor Hell want Trump showing up)

Hey @Phys251 - is that why you want nuclear war too? Because you want "End Times"?
What a joke the Left have become -- an horrific joke on the American people, and on the world.

Those like you have discarded the values of George Washington and only re-embraced George III.
You are only destroying what the American revolution was fought for.
Having fought to liberate themselves from an empire, they did not want to end up trapped in another one, even of their own making.
That's why the United States Constitution was written the way it was.
 
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What's being done to Iran today is like what was done with the illegal invasion of Iraq
It's going to have to culminate in regime change. That's the showdown Netanyahu's kicked off, because he nearly got thrown out of office last week.

 
sanman said:
You call yourself Chomsky? Why?
Your views obviously lean in the opposite direction.
Shouldn't you call yourself Mileikowsky? Or "Netanyahu"?
Bunch of Europeans whose ancestors never even set foot in what they call Israel, now calling themselves Israelites. What a masquerade.
And they're trampling all over the United States Constitution, especially Article 1, in connivance with the Cold War state.
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You clearly never read Noam Chomsky or you wouldn't have placed him in the same category as ignorant genocidal scum like Netanyahu.

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Political positions of Noam Chomsky - Wikipedia

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Contumacious said:
Rubio and his handlers Lindsey Graham and Dick Blumenthal love the warmongering.
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I heard that the brain-damaged Democrat Senator John Fetterman recently said, “Our commitment to Israel must be absolute and I fully support this attack. Keep wiping out Iranian leadership and the nuclear personnel. We must provide whatever is necessary—military, intelligence, weaponry—to fully back Israel in striking Iran.”
ANY American politician who argues that we should back Israel to the hilt no matter what it does EVEN to the point of possibly going to war on their behalf (be it in Iran or Gaza) is a traitor and a fifth columnist as far I’m concerned. **** Mark Levin, John Bolton, and all those NeoCon scumbags who’ve never seen a war they didn’t want (other) Americans to fight.
One of the reasons why I didn’t vote for Trump in November is because I suspected all this “America First” talk was a scam. If you are TRULY for America First, then you wouldn’t allow a foreign country to control our politics and policies (foreign and domestic) and rob billions of our taxpayer dollars and maneuver us into conflicts the way U.S. presidents (including Trump) and Congress members have allowed Israel to do. Congress is Israeli-occupied territory, and so is the White House.
From the (Potomac) River to D.C., Washington shall be free!
AMERICA FIRST (for real)!

Mark
 
reinaert said:
Sure. You studied. Cool.

What I'd like to know, and it'd be neat if you did it without Google or ChatGPT, is what you think of the integration and rejection of Shariati in the formation of the Islamic Republic.
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No pressure, @SgtRock. I'm genuinely curious.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Well, yes, but that's hardly "blanketing." Not the way we could do it, or Russia used to be able to do it.

And Sarin and VX don't last long in hot, dry climates. You get small areas of effect and low persistence. Assuming any gets through.

How many Iranian missiles have reached their target now?

Not even close.

If they could deliver it, I think they would.
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Sarin?

I'm not so sanguine. The Houthis would've had it already. That djinn bottle never gets recorked, either.

The Islamic Republic's power is built on the repression and suppression of women, and the unremunerated theft of their labor - not unlike Mississippi, Arkansas or most of Missouri - and they lose that stranglehold if they gas even a malign and globally despised bad actor, like Likudnik Israel. Everything that would be inbound right after the trajectories were tracked to their origin would probably give the shitbag Likudniks some competition for tonnage per hour ordnance dropping.
 
jaypatriot said:
Exactly this: Give up its uranium enrichment program so it can never create a nuclear weapon.
Simple and straightforward - just exactly what Trump and Bibi told them to do.
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Who the **** are we to tell a state to abandon the quest for the one thing that transforms it from receiver of power to dispenser of it?
 
When Tucker Carlson will do what the compliant corporate media would never do in regards to Israel:



Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone who’s calling Donald Trump today to demand air strikes and other direct US military involvement in a war with Iran. On that list: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter and Miriam Adelson. At some point they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
 
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NOLA Dude said:
When Tucker Carlson will do what the compliant corporate media would never do.in regards to Israel:



Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone who’s calling Donald Trump today to demand air strikes and other direct US military involvement in a war with Iran. On that list: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter and Miriam Adelson. At some point they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
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Putin's newest best buddy? It's clear where your allegiance lies.

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Tucker Carlson criticised for defending Putin over political murders

Former Fox News host slammed for defending political assassinations just days before announcement of opposition leader’s death
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Tucker Carlson and the Right's Love Affair with Dictators

There's nothing surprising about the GOP's embrace of Putin. The right has been enamored with dictators since the days of Mussolini.
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