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BREAKING: Dems Introduce Legislation to Outlaw All Handgun Sales, Fund Gun Co [W:402]

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I read the story from the Hill, and nobody is trying to ban handguns.

EDIT - I don't think their idea will fly though, because too many things can go wrong. What happens if this technology fails and a family is murdered by an intruder because the home owners handgun didn't recognize him as the owner and wouldn't fire.
 
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I read the story from the Hill, and nobody is trying to ban handguns.

EDIT - I don't think their idea will fly though, because too many things can go wrong. What happens if this technology fails and a family is murdered by an intruder because the home owners handgun didn't recognize him as the owner and wouldn't fire.

I think at this point the technology is pretty solid. My brother in law has a gun safe with a fingerprint lock, so same basic theory. Expense would I suspect be more of an issue.
 
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If they ever do field such guns, how long before someone starts black market selling gun-jammers?

Imagine if the police were forced to such technology, and then the Street-Gangs Start carrying a $100 cell phone sized device that disables every gun within gun range?

Sad, but kinda funny in a twisted way...

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I think at this point the technology is pretty solid. My brother in law has a gun safe with a fingerprint lock, so same basic theory. Expense would I suspect be more of an issue.

I'm not familiar with how those work, but if a person can't grab his gun and immediately shoot in a life or death situation, that would present a big problem.

The other thing I have no knowledge of, is the ability for such devices to be bypassed or removed. If that can be achieved, then it wouldn't be much good in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
 
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Misleading headline
 
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1. The bill is NOT "outlawing all handgun sales" as you wrote in your OP!

2. If 'smart guns' work, what the heck is wrong with requiring them? That would cut way down on gun thefts and gun smuggling!

3. The article refers to 'smart gun' tech as 'science fiction'. Dude - we've got self-driving semis and self-parallel-parking cars right now. If we put our minds to it, how the heck can anyone really call 'smart gun' tech science fiction?

4. And it's about time that the government gets a chance to allow some funding to study gun violence, so that we can all see the hard-and-fast numbers, what the REAL cost of gun violence is to the American taxpayer.

And besides, the government studies are something that every gun nut should want! After all, isn't it your claim that guns PREVENT violence, that guns used in self-defense are UNDERREPORTED? Well, then, if that's true, then these studies would show precisely that! You'd be able to use that study as ABSOLUTE PROOF that guns prevent violence...

...of course, that's unless y'all really don't want those studies done because *gasp* they might show something completely different, something y'all just don't want to even contemplate....
 
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I'm not familiar with how those work, but if a person can't grab his gun and immediately shoot in a life or death situation, that would present a big problem.

The other thing I have no knowledge of, is the ability for such devices to be bypassed or removed. If that can be achieved, then it wouldn't be much good in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

Here is a video of two guys breaking into a gun safe in a couple of minutes, with just crowbars.



An Alarm system which watches the perimeter of your house, to let you know when someone approaches is far more effective than a gun safe. An external camera and flood lights, even more so, and don't forget a hidden and armored safe spot with gun ports and cell phone.

People who have real money, such as the Duponts, the Kennedys , the Rockerfellers, do not rely on a gun safe to keep them safe. They rely on guns in the hands of people who are loyal and can use them well.


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Your thread title is a lie. Why is that?

If you claim a lie then you did not read either link.
 
Re: BREAKING: Dems Introduce Legislation to Outlaw All Handgun Sales, Fund Gun Contro

If you claim a lie then you did not read either link.

Consider the source of the accusation... :roll:

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Re: BREAKING: Dems Introduce Legislation to Outlaw All Handgun Sales, Fund Gun Contro

Consider the source of the accusation... :roll:

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Indeed.
 
Re: BREAKING: Dems Introduce Legislation to Outlaw All Handgun Sales, Fund Gun Contro

1. The bill is NOT "outlawing all handgun sales" as you wrote in your OP!

All non smart hand guns which are 99.9% of the market.


2. If 'smart guns' work, what the heck is wrong with requiring them? That would cut way down on gun thefts and gun smuggling!

Because

1. They do not work.
2.Such a law would rob people of choice, if they are so much better why not let them stand up to competition.
3.Criminals do not obey the law
4. Still 600 million other firearms to use.

3. The article refers to 'smart gun' tech as 'science fiction'. Dude - we've got self-driving semis and self-parallel-parking cars right now. If we put our minds to it, how the heck can anyone really call 'smart gun' tech science fiction?

Well the reliability of the is just that pure fiction, and so is the idea of people paying 1,800 for a 22LR pistol that takes up to 2 seconds to be able to fire.


4. And it's about time that the government gets a chance to allow some funding to study gun violence, so that we can all see the hard-and-fast numbers, what the REAL cost of gun violence is to the American taxpayer.

We had that and it proves our point. Remember this study?

CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns & Ammo

CDC Study Ordered by Obama Contradicts White House Anti-gun Narrative

And besides, the government studies are something that every gun nut should want! After all, isn't it your claim that guns PREVENT violence, that guns used in self-defense are UNDERREPORTED? Well, then, if that's true, then these studies would show precisely that! You'd be able to use that study as ABSOLUTE PROOF that guns prevent violence...
That study proves our point and yet the media did not report it...I wonder why?

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

...of course, that's unless y'all really don't want those studies done because *gasp* they might show something completely different, something y'all just don't want to even contemplate....

Yeah because the goverment can be trusted never to reduce our Liberty and advance their control...Right?

Have fun reading the study, but you will not.
 
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Another fake panic! Sales must have slackened. Buy more guns immediately!
 
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I'm not familiar with how those work, but if a person can't grab his gun and immediately shoot in a life or death situation, that would present a big problem.

The other thing I have no knowledge of, is the ability for such devices to be bypassed or removed. If that can be achieved, then it wouldn't be much good in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

Average time to fire is about a full 1.1 upto 2 sec delay to "unlock" which a chance I will not take..

I think at this point the technology is pretty solid. My brother in law has a gun safe with a fingerprint lock, so same basic theory. Expense would I suspect be more of an issue.

Its not, but then again your choice to buy it is just that a choice, mandates would rob us of that choice.

I read the story from the Hill, and nobody is trying to ban handguns.

EDIT - I don't think their idea will fly though, because too many things can go wrong. What happens if this technology fails and a family is murdered by an intruder because the home owners handgun didn't recognize him as the owner and wouldn't fire.

If you ban all non smart guns I am sure you will have people say this.

Move over the cost is the sinking of this idea, the company in question is in charterer 11.

Plus it uses radio waves which can and will be jammed, would not take make a same transmitters plugged into an Iphone for a power source could jammed up to 3 blocks in distance and make your pistol a very will machined paper weight while criminals use non smart weapons.
 
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I read the story from the Hill, and nobody is trying to ban handguns.

EDIT - I don't think their idea will fly though, because too many things can go wrong. What happens if this technology fails and a family is murdered by an intruder because the home owners handgun didn't recognize him as the owner and wouldn't fire.

Then it will have operated as intended. A disarmed society is a dependent society, and that is the goal.
 
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I'm not familiar with how those work, but if a person can't grab his gun and immediately shoot in a life or death situation, that would present a big problem.

The other thing I have no knowledge of, is the ability for such devices to be bypassed or removed. If that can be achieved, then it wouldn't be much good in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

I think at this point the technology is pretty solid. My brother in law has a gun safe with a fingerprint lock, so same basic theory. Expense would I suspect be more of an issue.

Another fake panic! Sales must have slackened. Buy more guns immediately!

So another person who did not read the link...Shocked.
 
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Another fake panic! Sales must have slackened. Buy more guns immediately!

Yes, that is part of it, but not all.

The Dems and far lefties really do hope to incrementally wear away our 2nd amendment rights.

Common Americans, seeing the anti-white, racial-hatred-motivated violence in epidemic proportions over the Obama-Era, are beginning to realize, that without Arms, they are helpless victims.

The worst elements of all sides are already heavily armed.

We can arm with open hand techniques, knives, hammers, bows, and home-made pneumatic guns, if needed. But it will never be any where near as effective as a good quality 9mm semi-auto.

My daughters and granddaughters deserve the equalization of their 2nd Amendment Rights. They have EARNED that much trust and respect.

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All non smart hand guns which are 99.9% of the market.

If you'd look at the legislation (and not just the chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling right-wing echo-chamber fodder), you'd see that all guns are to be retrofitted with smart-gun tech...and the entire cost would be borne not by the owners, but entirely by the manufacturers.

Which means that NO, your claim in your OP is NOT accurate. All guns could continue to be sold...and they'd all be smart guns.

Because

1. They do not work.

At one time air bags didn't work. At one time seat belts didn't work. At one time automatic parallel-parking didn't work.

2.Such a law would rob people of choice, if they are so much better why not let them stand up to competition.

Because safety measures are never popular enough until they are required by law. Statistics clearly showed that most people wouldn't wear seat belts until they were required to do so by law...but now the great majority do (in mandatory seat-belt states)...and those seat belts save a lot of lives.

3.Criminals do not obey the law

So by the same token, we shouldn't have speed limits for cars...because criminals don't obey the laws anyway, right? And we shouldn't have immigration laws...because criminals don't obey the laws anyway, right?

4. Still 600 million other firearms to use.

And every legally-owned firearm would be required to be retrofitted with the smart-gun tech. And a lot of too-curious kids will live longer as a direct result.

Well the reliability of the is just that pure fiction, and so is the idea of people paying 1,800 for a 22LR pistol that takes up to 2 seconds to be able to fire.

And the poor reliability of smart-tech is in your mind only. My iPhone 6 has fingerprint recognition...and it works every time in less than a second.

We had that and it proves our point. Remember this study?

CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns & Ammo

CDC Study Ordered by Obama Contradicts White House Anti-gun Narrative


That study proves our point and yet the media did not report it...I wonder why?

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence

Then you should be eager for yet more research showing the same thing, huh? Let's do it!

Yeah because the goverment can be trusted never to reduce our Liberty and advance their control...Right?

You've never really lived outside America, have you? I recommend it - it's a real eye-opener, and you learn things that you can't learn from your computer screen or idiot box. One of the things you learn is just how corrupt our government is NOT, in comparison to other nations. You learn how strongly our rights are upheld by the government in comparison to other nations. Anyone who goes crying that America's a tyranny...has never lived in a tyranny or anything close to it.

Have fun reading the study, but you will not.

Actually, I generally do check out links to references - but not videos - they're not worth my time. I checked the study itself...and in the findings of the study, again and again, in every single finding it says, "insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness" of whatever the study was looking at. Why is there insufficient evidence? Because there's so very few studies on the issue. Not only that, but if you'll read the other side of the story when it comes to the study, you find out that the gun-rights people seized upon the highest estimates of self-defense usage...and ignored the lowest estimates and also ignored the fact that ALL of the figures presented concerning guns used in self-defense are in dispute.

This is what happens when one side insists on having a myopic view of an issue, and refuses to even allow proper and professional study of that issue...and completely ignores the success that ALL the other first-world democracies have had with gun control.
 
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If you'd look at the legislation (and not just the chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling right-wing echo-chamber fodder), you'd see that all guns are to be retrofitted with smart-gun tech...and the entire cost would be borne not by the owners, but entirely by the manufacturers.

Most firearms by their design can not be and you still banning firearms, non smart firearms.

You do know such costs will bankrupt many manufactures as many customers will not be able to afford the increases in the costs of products.


Which means that NO, your claim in your OP is NOT accurate. All guns could continue to be sold...and they'd all be smart guns.
You are still banning firearms.

Which are all costly, and have major problems.

At one time air bags didn't work. At one time seat belts didn't work. At one time automatic parallel-parking didn't work.

Thank you for proving my point.

Because safety measures are never popular enough until they are required by law. Statistics clearly showed that most people wouldn't wear seat belts until they were required to do so by law...but now the great majority do (in mandatory seat-belt states)...and those seat belts save a lot of lives.

So you idea is only a good one because you use the threat of force to mandate it...Wow.


So by the same token, we shouldn't have speed limits for cars...because criminals don't obey the laws anyway, right? And we shouldn't have immigration laws...because criminals don't obey the laws anyway, right?

No roads are public property if the their are publicly owned and immigration restrictions are to protect the value of the wages and votes of the America people.

Can not find the right to drive or immigrate in the Bill of Rights, I can how ever find the right to keep and bear arms.


And every legally-owned firearm would be required to be retrofitted with the smart-gun tech. And a lot of too-curious kids will live longer as a direct result.

God your side just loves to control everything around yourself, dont you.

A few lives that "could be" safe is not a reason to harm the rights of other people. Maybe if their parents taught them basic safety they would be alive as well and our rights would not be harmed by such actions.

And the poor reliability of smart-tech is in your mind only. My iPhone 6 has fingerprint recognition...and it works every time in less than a second.

The difference is I do not use my Iphone in a life or death situation in which a tenth of a second could make the difference between you going home or going to the morgue.

It is not "just in my mind" it is a very real threat with this which introduces risks with no benefit.

Then you should be eager for yet more research showing the same thing, huh? Let's do it!
 
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You've never really lived outside America, have you? I recommend it - it's a real eye-opener, and you learn things that you can't learn from your computer screen or idiot box. One of the things you learn is just how corrupt our government is NOT, in comparison to other nations. You learn how strongly our rights are upheld by the government in comparison to other nations. Anyone who goes crying that America's a tyranny...has never lived in a tyranny or anything close to it.

So because they are not rounding up people with out do process and murdering people our goverment is not corrupt or should not be stripped of most of its power?

So we should be satisfied they are doing a "better job" then the goverment of "of insert nation here?

Sorry but it tyranny to what we have seen and experienced. We are trying to stop and reverse it before it goes farther.


Actually, I generally do check out links to references - but not videos - they're not worth my time. I checked the study itself...and in the findings of the study, again and again, in every single finding it says, "insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness" of whatever the study was looking at. Why is there insufficient evidence? Because there's so very few studies on the issue. Not only that, but if you'll read the other side of the story when it comes to the study, you find out that the gun-rights people seized upon the highest estimates of self-defense usage...and ignored the lowest estimates and also ignored the fact that ALL of the figures presented concerning guns used in self-defense are in dispute.

Its a very wide range of usage.


This is what happens when one side insists on having a myopic view of an issue, and refuses to even allow proper and professional study of that issue


And yet your side does.

...and completely ignores the success that ALL the other first-world democracies have had with gun control.

Increase in violet crime and erosion of basic rights and freedoms is not "success".

More over we are not "all other nations" nor are a "democracy" We are America, We are a Constitutional Republic with a minor democratic elections.

If you value other nations and culture? Fine, move their and enjoy them. We like Freedom and the risks that come with it, those that
 
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If you claim a lie then you did not read either link.

I did read the links, both of them, and I read the bill. Your thread title is a lie. Gun sales are not outlawed by any stretch of the imagination, neither in theory or practice.
 
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So another person who did not read the link...Shocked.

Wrong again. You might want to read the bill.
 
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Yes, that is part of it, but not all.

The Dems and far lefties really do hope to incrementally wear away our 2nd amendment rights.

Common Americans, seeing the anti-white, racial-hatred-motivated violence in epidemic proportions over the Obama-Era, are beginning to realize, that without Arms, they are helpless victims.

The worst elements of all sides are already heavily armed.

We can arm with open hand techniques, knives, hammers, bows, and home-made pneumatic guns, if needed. But it will never be any where near as effective as a good quality 9mm semi-auto.

My daughters and granddaughters deserve the equalization of their 2nd Amendment Rights. They have EARNED that much trust and respect.

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Why is it every single time some one tries to tell me what "dems and lefties" want to do, they get it wrong? It is not part of the time, it is not sometimes, it is every single ****ing time.
 
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I did read the links, both of them, and I read the bill. Your thread title is a lie. Gun sales are not outlawed by any stretch of the imagination, neither in theory or practice.

Non Smart Guns will be and that are almost 99.9% of the market..Do you understand what such a bill will mean?
 
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