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Boehner Will Resign from Congress

SenorXm/Sirius said:
LOL.. This is 1 reason why the Republican Party is such a mess. Fanatics like you really believe that PP is only important to just a few 'fringe leftists'. You don't give a fucvk what it's really about, all you care about is your own fanatical warped ideology.

I was a Republican for 30 years, a REAL fiscal conservative republican. So don't preached to me about parties and conservatives. I was a Republican when being a fiscal conservative
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Fiscal conservatism <> GOP. The GOP's primary purpose is to spend $100 trillion to start useless wars to make its offense contractors and oil cos. happy.

It's second purpose is to police the bedroom and take away all Constitutional freedoms except the RKBA.
 
solletica said:
The GOP should just hand the speakership to ted cruz so they can be quickly laughed out of power instead of suffering a slow death.
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Oh what a great idea! Let's make a US Senator Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Amazing.
 
countryboy said:
About ****ing time. I guess he saw the handwriting on the wall.
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Here, I thought he was crying because he was standing next to the Pope. It must have been his past sins coming home to roost so he decided to get out, now.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Finally, you are catching on. The majority of Republicans disapprove of Boehner.
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I think the issue is why.

Now that the thread has degraded into the usual partisan bickering, we have lost sight of the propaganda game here. The left has again seized the lead in this debate, by making this about him being too moderate.

As I posted earlier, I suspect that there at least two other factors: One he is old guard, very old guard.

John Boehner Had A Good Run | FiveThirtyEight

Two, since Obama he has not been effective. He has lost every confrontation both in the public eye and in real terms. He has failed at the first objective of party leader and brought everyone together with clear goals and means to achieve them. As manager, he has lost the company confidence and has to go.

Again, this is less a moderate, extreme right issue than the socialists would have you believe. Why else would they be playing the Nazi card on the same day?
 
Jack Hays said:
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[h=2] John Boehner Had A Good Run [/h] By Ben Casselman and Dhrumil Mehta
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I have mixed feelings on this. I agree that this was a truly selfless act on his part, as mentioned in the link, and I commend him for thinking of the possible repercussions of the differences of opinion within the party. He is not a stubborn Newt Gingrich, which many seem to think is needed at this time. Have we totally forgotten during the past several years that negotiating is still important in most cases of disagreement?

On the other hand, having the job of herding groups of cats who all want to go in different directions isn't the easiest way of making a living, and trying to get things done under those circumstances would soon get frustrating and tiresome. Voters have said they want bipartisanship, so we'll see how the next Speaker handles that when various groups have their heels dug in on what they will or won't accept. :think:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I have mixed feelings on this. I agree that this was a truly selfless act on his part, as mentioned in the link, and I commend him for thinking of the possible repercussions of the differences of opinion within the party. He is not a stubborn Newt Gingrich, which many seem to think is needed at this time. Have we totally forgotten during the past several years that negotiating is still important in most cases of disagreement?

On the other hand, having the job of herding groups of cats who all want to go in different directions isn't the easiest way of making a living, and trying to get things done under those circumstances would soon get frustrating and tiresome. Voters have said they want bipartisanship, so we'll see how the next Speaker handles that when various groups have their heels dug in on what they will or won't accept. :think:
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Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

I think he's made a shutdown much less likely, and that's good.:mrgreen:
 
Fearandloathing said:
I think the issue is why.

Now that the thread has degraded into the usual partisan bickering, we have lost sight of the propaganda game here. The left has again seized the lead in this debate, by making this about him being too moderate.

As I posted earlier, I suspect that there at least two other factors: One he is old guard, very old guard.

John Boehner Had A Good Run | FiveThirtyEight

Two, since Obama he has not been effective. He has lost every confrontation both in the public eye and in real terms. He has failed at the first objective of party leader and brought everyone together with clear goals and means to achieve them. As manager, he has lost the company confidence and has to go.

Again, this is less a moderate, extreme right issue than the socialists would have you believe. Why else would they be playing the Nazi card on the same day?
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I would agree with the above but I would add:

His messaging sucks. His verbiage sucks. That only exacerbates the image that he is too moderate. He does actually fold without trying to explain why. If he does give an explanation it is weak and not very well worded. The crying thing drives me freaking nuts.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
[/I]No I did not forget the point. Key word right here in your post "about the same". You really havent provided anything to show that they are much different other than supposedly Hensarling is liked by the Heritage foundation (even tho the Hertiage Foundation put money into Boehener for Speaker of the House fund) and the Tea Party. And they also have very similar voting records and policy positions as pointed out by The American Conservative Union

Well it is what you seem to be advocating: "[/I][/COLOR]There isn't going to be a more conservative speaker to replace him? Just where did you come up with that BS? Ever hear of Jeb Hensarling." http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/235169-boehner-resign-congress-4.html#post1065072583


So we agree Hensarling doesnt really have much of a shot


Im asking where is their "backing" of Hensarling for leadership?

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Except the Vox and Washington Post article both go into proposals made by Rubio and Walker that are very similar to the Tom Price proposal(s)


Literally no idea what you are trying to prove with this post? His track record? A brief description of who he is?


If you mean a "quiet rebellion" as an interparty disagreement over the export import bank, then woohooo :sarcasticclap


Support? Im sure he does.
But not enough support.


I mean, Louie Gohmert and other lead a "rebellion" against Bohener last time around and we saw how that worked out...


Hence they didnt mention him


Point being: Easy to make thing looks dramatic. Harder to actually rally enough votes for a "quiet rebellion leader".
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TDS what is this? Did you think if you stretched this all out some more that it would make you look any smarter. Its not helping your case. :lamo Hensarling is considered more conservative than Boehner. There is no question to this with the GOP and those on the Right. If you want to try and say he isn't. That's on you. Oh and there was enough already shown. Anything else go look it up.


Yep, That was questioning your so called assessment. As there are a couple more conservative than Boehner that can win the speaker. Hensarling being one of them.

No we don't agree that Hensarling doesn't have a shot. Just how did you come up with that. Truly, now you are really reaching. :roll:

The Bank issue hasn't been going for on for 2 years with Boehner and Hensarling. So your notion doesn't even compute. But that still doesn't change what it says Hensarling did for those 2 years. Which you had no knowledge of, until now.

Yes he was mentioned for McCarthy's spot. As the GOPS #4 he would be considered off the top.

Point being the rest of your post is irrelevant when it comes to the issue of Hensarling. Including the part the CBO not having a plan that the GOP has decided to go with, in order for CBO to have any numbers. Despite Rubio and Walker having plans. Still doesn't change the fact that's not what the GOP has decided upon.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
LOL.. This is 1 reason why the Republican Party is such a mess. Fanatics like you really believe that PP is only important to just a few 'fringe leftists'. You don't give a fucvk what it's really about, all you care about is your own fanatical warped ideology.

I was a Republican for 30 years, a REAL fiscal conservative republican. So don't preached to me about parties and conservatives. I was a Republican when being a fiscal conservative was important in the GOP. Now the party has been hijacked by lunatics who only care about forcing their right wing social agenda on the rest of us. All this BS about PP just shows me how hypocritical the so called 'conservatives' of today are.
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Yawn. Perhaps you might write a book: from conservative to fringe leftist in 30 years. I am sure it will be a fascinating read.

Go to another thread and bitch and moan about Obama, and the deficit and debt. Then come back here and bitch about a $1 bil PP budget while you are silent about us pissing away $100's of bil overseas, and billions on Part D, and on the DHS, and on Corporate subsidies, just to really prove what a big hypocrite you and you so called conservatives really are.
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I will bitch about all of that spending. You one the other hand, excuse the $1 billion because it fits your leftist ideology. So who is the hypocrite now?
 
solletica said:
The GOP should just hand the speakership to ted cruz so they can be quickly laughed out of power instead of suffering a slow death.
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Uhh, Cruz is in the Senate. They are different from the House.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I have mixed feelings on this. I agree that this was a truly selfless act on his part, as mentioned in the link, and I commend him for thinking of the possible repercussions of the differences of opinion within the party. He is not a stubborn Newt Gingrich, which many seem to think is needed at this time. Have we totally forgotten during the past several years that negotiating is still important in most cases of disagreement?

On the other hand, having the job of herding groups of cats who all want to go in different directions isn't the easiest way of making a living, and trying to get things done under those circumstances would soon get frustrating and tiresome. Voters have said they want bipartisanship, so we'll see how the next Speaker handles that when various groups have their heels dug in on what they will or won't accept. :think:
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I have to question whether compromise is even possible with the Obama White House. I think one of the reasons people are pressing for a head-to-head is the fact past attempts have proven at the very least unfruitful for the Republicans. Obama is still the non-compromising "enemies" prick he always has been, and now, lame duck, has no real reason to give up anything.

I think it will be a gloves off third period bench clearing brawl, myself, or should be. However, the Republicans have to demonstrate and communicate that that they have tried every possible means at a peaceful solution"
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have to question whether compromise is even possible with the Obama White House. I think one of the reasons people are pressing for a head-to-head is the fact past attempts have proven at the very least unfruitful for the Republicans. Obama is still the non-compromising "enemies" prick he always has been, and now, lame duck, has no real reason to give up anything.

I think it will be a gloves off third period bench clearing brawl, myself, or should be. However, the Republicans have to demonstrate and communicate that that they have tried every possible means at a peaceful solution"
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That is the key.
 
Fearandloathing said:
....and you just proposed that a Senator be installed as Speaker of the House
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And I'm still proposing it. cruz could easily quit the Senate and run for a House seat in 2016 against Al Green (D), and very easily win, then (attempt to) get himself elected Speaker.

We need the entertainment :)
 
Good riddance to the RINO crybaby. I hope he does not let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. Hopefully he can take McConnell with him.:applaud:2dance::yes:
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have to question whether compromise is even possible with the Obama White House.
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:rolleyes:

Obama is irrelevant.

Even w/a POTUS desperate to repeal the Obamacare mandate and enact strong anti-immigration measures, the current GOP pols in Congress wouldn't vote to do it, because their corporate backers in the health insurance and agribusiness sectors wouldn't allow it.

The failure of red state right wing voters to recognize this basic fact is a monumental testament to their level of ignorance.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Good riddance to the RINO crybaby. I hope he does not let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. Hopefully he can take McConnell with him.:applaud:2dance::yes:
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Unlike his opponents, he understood that the conservatives' full program could only be enacted with a Repub in the WH. He therefore sought to eliminate distractions from that great goal. His opponents preferred feckless gestures to real, effective political strategy.
 
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