Groucho
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:shock: I agree with him! Oh noes!
John Boehner: Raise Retirement Age To 70; Wall Street Reform Is Like 'Killing An Ant With A Nuclear Weapon'
I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
Actually, it is fair. When SS was first enacted, lifespans were much shorter than they are today. With the increase in lifespans, the requirements must be also adjusted to reflect this.
There is no guarantee that I will live past tomorrow, just because the average lifespan is longer doesn't mean my lifespan is longer.
I'd rather have the option of opting out altogether.
Not really -- because you'll live longer.
When social security began, life expectancy was much shorter. Not that many people lived into their 70s. Now, people are still working way past that time (including a recent President and quite a few Senators).
Most people get more back from social security than they put in, which is one of the reasons it's going broke after all.
Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
You know, **** them.
But whatever. I'm going to retire before I'm 45. They can go to hell.
Nope. You will be forced to work until 70! To the coal mine with you.
I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
I agree based on the long term ability of Social Security but disagree as well because it's unfair to younger people.
Us younger folks will get less and have to pay more, it's not right.
Shouldn't I be able to choose when I want to retire?
Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
The problem Vance, with an opt out is those who squander their payment and end up bankrupt. We end up pay for them rather then forcing them to shoulder some of the burden. I don't suggest people do what I suggested in post #16 because people are irresponsible. From a Libertarian view, I completely agree that if forced there should be an opt out method, maybe as a deduction against future taxes, but merely looking at my fellow humans, I cannot reasonably suggest that we really let them do that. Especially when the cost is higher welfare and higher taxes. And aside from the very fringe group, we are not going to just let people die because they did poor retirement planning.
Actually, it is fair. When SS was first enacted, lifespans were much shorter than they are today. With the increase in lifespans, the requirements must be also adjusted to reflect this.
Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
Well, as long as we're on the subject, I'd also like to make social security based on need. If we want to balance the budget it makes sense. There's no reason why millionaires should be getting social security. Treat it like insurance -- you pay into it hoping that you don't get poor in your old age and if you are, you can collect. You could even make it like real insurance in that you can buy better policies.
I thought conservatives believed that social security was just the safety net? If so, what's the problem? Social security does not dictate when you can retire, you dictate when you can retire. Just make a ton of money and retire at 50ish, if you want.
".....May you live long and prosper...."
I accept the fact that social security retirement ages should be pushed out. However, they may need to offset this with looser definitions of disability for persons over 60 AND be diligent in enforcement of age discrimination laws.
:shock: I agree with him! Oh noes!
John Boehner: Raise Retirement Age To 70; Wall Street Reform Is Like 'Killing An Ant With A Nuclear Weapon'
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