Blame Republicans for Inflation

[MrWonka]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems. And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better. These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

 

[mrjurrs]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems. And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better. These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

Well said. My resolution to the number of immigrants waiting to come to America?

Greet them with a smile, a handshake, a path to citizenship and a job application.

 

[Mycroft]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems.

Wrong.

And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

Wrong.

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better. These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

If we have so many jobs to fill, then why did we have more than 600,000 people quit their jobs in July?

Manufacturers don't have trouble making things. Demand for things has dropped like a rock. The reason for the drop in demand? Inflation. Plain and simple.

The indisputable reason for inflation is high energy prices. Energy prices increased long before Ukraine became an issue.

The indisputable reason for supply chain issues, specifically the inability of west coast ports to offload container ships, is environmental laws in California that prevented tens of thousands of trucks and their drivers from moving those containers.

btw, Biden's pukes have let more than 2 million people enter our country. Why haven't THEY done what you claim increased immigration would do? And why on earth would you think letting in ever MORE would make things better?

 

[MrWonka]

If we have so many jobs to fill, then why did we have more than 600,000 people quit their jobs in July?

We added jobs in July. That means all those people who quit their jobs immediately found different ones. That's what happens when there are tons of jobs available. People have far more freedom to quit the job they hate, and find a better one.

Manufacturers don't have trouble making things. Demand for things has dropped like a rock. The reason for the drop in demand? Inflation. Plain and simple.

The cause of that inflation is a lack of workers in the food production sector driving up prices for grocery items. This in turn causes people to spend less on non-grocery items. The solution is to bring down the price of grocery items, by bringing in more labor to help process meat and harvest crops.

The indisputable reason for inflation is high energy prices. Energy prices increased long before Ukraine became an issue.

No, they didn't. The started spiking almost exactly when Russia invaded Ukraine. There were a bit higher before, but it was caused by energy companies not being able to ramp up with so many people going back to work. This is yet another problem that could be helped by bringing in migrant workers to help staff oil refineries.

The indisputable reason for supply chain issues, specifically the inability of west coast ports to offload container ships, is environmental laws in California that prevented tens of thousands of trucks and their drivers from moving those containers.

That isn't even in the ballpark of true. It's simply a lack of forklift and crane operators to unload ships. That and the fact that places like China were still dealing with COVID.

btw, Biden's pukes have let more than 2 million people enter our country. Why haven't THEY done what you claim increased immigration would do?

They are, but they only recently got here and we actually need more.

And why on earth would you think letting in ever MORE would make things better?

I already explained that. We currently have 2 job openings for every 1 unemployed person in the United States. If we want to keep up with demand we need more people.

 

[dmpi]

By historical standards the labor force participation rate isn't all that great. That rate peaked in 1997-2000 right at the dot-com bubble. Regardless we need to employ all the homeless and under-utilized human capital we already have before we let more in.

 

[MrWonka]

By historical standards the labor force participation rate isn't all that great. That rate peaked in 1997-2000 right at the dot-com bubble.

False.

U6 Unemployment Rate (1994-2025)

This interactive chart compares three different measures of unemployment. U3 is the official unemployment rate. U5 includes discouraged workers and all other marginally attached workers. U6 adds on those workers who are part-time purely for economic reasons.

www.macrotrends.net

The lowest it got during the '90s was 6.8%. It is currently 6.7%. That means that as of today we have the highest labor force participation rate we have had in this country in 30 years.

So you're just dead ****ing wrong on all accounts.

Regardless we need to employ all the homeless and under-utilized human capital we already have before we let more in.

Most homeless people are virtually unemployable. Most have serious mental issues or drug problems. That is why systems like welfare and unemployment exist to keep people from falling into destitution in the first place because once they do it's virtually impossible to get them back.

 

[AGENT J]

Blame Republicans for Inflation​

blaming any party for global inflation is beyond STUPID.

 

[dmpi]

False.

U6 Unemployment Rate (1994-2025)

This interactive chart compares three different measures of unemployment. U3 is the official unemployment rate. U5 includes discouraged workers and all other marginally attached workers. U6 adds on those workers who are part-time purely for economic reasons.

www.macrotrends.net

The lowest it got during the '90s was 6.8%. It is currently 6.7%. That means that as of today we have the highest labor force participation rate we have had in this country in 30 years.

So you're just dead ****ing wrong on all accounts.

Most homeless people are virtually unemployable. Most have serious mental issues or drug problems. That is why systems like welfare and unemployment exist to keep people from falling into destitution in the first place because once they do it's virtually impossible to get them back.

Come on... Just goggle 'labor force participation rate' and you can see for yourself.

Labor Force Participation Rate

View data of the percentage of the total U.S. population that is neither employed nor actively seeking work.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Of course you want you the rate to go up not down....but we must be taking about two different things.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems. And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better. These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

If the democrats focused on this and not on open borders, you might get some agreement.

 

[NatMorton]

We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Talk about partisan gibberish. The Democrats have had full control of the White House, Senate, and House since '21, which means they've had full control over our immigration and enforcement policies during that time. If there are millions of helpful workers waiting at the border (which is itself a stretch given how porous our borders are) they are only there because Democrats and their appointees wish them to be so.

Back to reality, we are suffering through for worst inflationary period in 40 years for three main reasons:

• COVID supply chain impact
• Excessive levels of government stimulus enacted by both parties, though particular by Democrats
• The Fed holding on to it's quantitative easing and low interest rate policies for too long

Almost everything else you hear on this subject is noise.

 

[Conservative]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems. And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better. These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

The War in Ukraine was 2022, what caused the 2021 inflation? Come on, you can do better than this or maybe not!!

 

[Port & Starboard]

Wrong.


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If we have so many jobs to fill, then why did we have more than 600,000 people quit their jobs in July?

Manufacturers don't have trouble making things. Demand for things has dropped like a rock. The reason for the drop in demand? Inflation. Plain and simple.

The indisputable reason for inflation is high energy prices. Energy prices increased long before Ukraine became an issue.

The indisputable reason for supply chain issues, specifically the inability of west coast ports to offload container ships, is environmental laws in California that prevented tens of thousands of trucks and their drivers from moving those containers.

btw, Biden's pukes have let more than 2 million people enter our country. Why haven't THEY done what you claim increased immigration would do? And why on earth would you think letting in ever MORE would make things better?

Liberals are a phenomena all to themselves.

They can post just about any stupid shit they wish and their overly emotional cohorts will echo it along.

There is no way to explain it other than cultism.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

By historical standards the labor force participation rate isn't all that great. That rate peaked in 1997-2000 right at the dot-com bubble. Regardless we need to employ all the homeless and under-utilized human capital we already have before we let more in.

This is a good idea (except for the "before we let more in" part), but it requires the kinds of government programs that are unlikely to get by the Republicans in congress. Rehabilitating the homeless (plus finding them homes) to the point where they are employable is no small job.

 

[Bullseye]

Yeah, that's right you read that correctly. Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems. And obviously, some of our supply chain problems are caused by a continued covid recovery in other countries that is largely out of our control.

ABB - anything But Biden, eh?

But another huge part of the inflation situation is that we currently have record low unemployment levels. My home state of MN currently has the lowest unemployment rate of any state in the history of this country. Not only that, but labor force participation rates are incredibly strong. Every bit as good as they were pre-pandemic if not better.

Not true - they[re 1-2% lower than pre pandemic.

These are both very very good things, but unfortunately, they do have negative side effects. With so many jobs available and nobody to do them businesses are having to pay much higher wages, which can intern lead to higher prices for goods. Furthermore, the inability to produce enough to fill the demand is driving things even higher.

Not exactly. The more jobs than workers syndrome existed during Trump's term as well.

The problem here is that we have too much work, and not enough workers to do it all. Is that Joe Biden's fault? Nope. It's Republican's fault. We literally have millions of people waiting on our border who would love nothing more than to come to America and do these jobs for us. It's Republicans trying to block their entry, not Joe Biden.

Nonsense.

Meat processing, fruit picking, vegetable harvesting, home construction, forklift driving, port work... These are all industries that rely very heavily on migrant labor and they are all industries struggling to keep up with the amount of work available.

More nonsense. Ports and supply chain were purring before pandemic.

We should have an immigration system that can adjust fluidly with the demand for work. If there are U.S. companies that are struggling to find American workers when unemployment is low they should be able to apply and quickly get migrant workers approved to help them out. If the economy drops off, they can be the first to be laid off and sent home if nobody here needs them.

[/QUOTE]
I have to agree on the issue of a better immigration system as long as it's not just open the gates and let anyone in. We should taking some of those 87000 new hires from IRS and put them in INS to expedite the lawful visa system.

The only thing standing in the way of having such a system is the Republican Party, and it would be the quickest and best way to fight inflation.

BS.

 

[noonereal]

Obviously, the War in Ukraine is the single biggest driver of most of these problems.

this is incorrect but we do need immigration, the GOP should not be fighting it

 

[MrWonka]

this is incorrect but we do need immigration, the GOP should not be fighting it

No, it is definately correct. That is a big reason why the problems in Europe are far worse than they are here. Europe relies far more heavily on Russian oil and natural gas than the U.S. does.

 

[MrWonka]

ABB - anything But Biden, eh?

Name one policy of Biden's that has caused inflation other than his sanctions against Russia which were supported heavily by Republicans.
And keep in mind inflation has been far worse in Europe than it is here. You don't get to blame Biden for Europe's inflation.

Not true - they[re 1-2% lower than pre pandemic.

No that is abso****inglutely true. Both the official unemployment rate and the U-6 rate are currently better than they were pre-pandemic. In fact, this is the lowest the U-6 rate has been since 1969, and the official rate is tied for the lowest since 1969,

Not exactly. The more jobs than workers syndrome existed during Trump's term as well.

As I said, the war in Ukraine and the general COVID recovery are the primary drivers of inflation.
But also, as I pointed out, the official unemployment rate and the U-6 rate are actually lower than they were at any time during Trump's presidency.
We will obviously never know, but I do believe that even if the pandemic had not happened we would have been looking at inflation, and a potential recession under Trump no matter what.

Nonsense.

Indisputable fact. It is a fact that we currently have 2 jobs available for every 1 unemployed person. It is a fact that a ton of the hardest jobs to fill are in food production and agriculture. That is what is causing grocery prices to be so high. Both of these industries are heavily reliant on migrant labor.
All of these things are indisputable facts.

More nonsense. Ports and supply chain were purring before pandemic.

Sure, as I said it is the pandemic itself causing most of those issues.

BS.

Once again. An indisputable fact. When George W. Bush attempting to reform immigration two decades ago he was blocked by his fellow Republicans not by Democrats.
A system like I described would instantly get the votes of 100% of Democrats, and if we expand our lead in the Senate this November there is a very good chance we'll get it.

 

[MrWonka]

Talk about partisan gibberish. The Democrats have had full control of the White House, Senate, and House since '21, which means they've had full control over our immigration and enforcement policies during that time.

Why do you waste your time with such unbelievable horse shit that both you and I know are lies?

To pass meaningful Immigration reform you currently need 60 votes in the Senate, or you need to cancel the filibuster. It can not be done.

Now, if Democrats can hold the house, and add two or three Senate seats which is looking pretty good at this point there's a very good chance the Filibuster will go bye-bye next year.
Immigration reform, expanding the court, and of course, the John Lewis Voting Rights act will all be on the table then.

 

[noonereal]

No, it is definately correct. That is a big reason why the problems in Europe are far worse than they are here. Europe relies far more heavily on Russian oil and natural gas than the U.S. does.

Unbelievable. It's contributor is all.

It's nowhere near the biggest driver of inflation as state in the OP.

 

[MrWonka]

Come on... Just goggle 'labor force participation rate' and you can see for yourself.

Labor Force Participation Rate

View data of the percentage of the total U.S. population that is neither employed nor actively seeking work.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Of course you want you the rate to go up not down....but we must be taking about two different things.

The numbers you are citing include retired people. With the baby boomers retiring it is not really telling you what you think it is.

The U-6 unemployment rate is essentially the same thing except it doesn't classify retired people as out of work. That number is better today than it has been at any time since the 60s.

 

[dmpi]

The numbers you are citing include retired people. With the baby boomers retiring it is not really telling you what you think it is.

The U-6 unemployment rate is essentially the same thing except it doesn't classify retired people as out of work. That number is better today than it has been at any time since the 60s.

Pandemic forced people to retire and now they're returning back to the workforce. You happen to pick the two metrics that reward the happy case (they find a job and start working) but ignores the case where they can't find appropriate work.

 

[MrWonka]

Pandemic forced people to retire and now they're returning back to the workforce.

No, they're not. Take my wifes mother as a perfect example. She retired from Target early during the pandemic because her husband has health issues and didn't want to risk it. She's not going back. If it wasn't for the pandemic she might still be working there, but she's definately not going back after retirement.

You happen to pick the two metrics that reward the happy case (they find a job and start working)

No, you're trying to pick the one metric that looks worse even though it's irrelevant.

but ignores the case where they can't find appropriate work.

There are 2 jobs available forever 1 person looking. Every single solitary person in this country can find a job today that is either equivalent to or better than the job they had pre-pandemic.

 

[dmpi]

There are 2 jobs available forever 1 person looking. Every single solitary person in this country can find a job today that is either equivalent to or better than the job they had pre-pandemic.

Maybe if you're 30 working a low/mid-end job you can easily find equivalent work but if you are 60 looking for a equivalent professional job will stuggle. Especially true if you worked in the private sector.

 

[MrWonka]

Maybe if you're 30 working a low/mid-end job you can easily find equivalent work but if you are 60 looking for a equivalent professional job will stuggle. Especially true if you worked in the private sector.

Umm... no, for god sake no. Agism has always been a concern in hiring, but it's definitely not worse today than it was pre-pandemic.

I guarantee you that if my mom or my mother-in-law wanted to come out of retirement they would both instantaneously get their old job back.

 

[poweRob]

Whacha got left to run on cons?

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