Blacks murder at a staggering 5 times the Rate of whites (1 Viewer)

[Geoist]

The 1960s Civil Rights Era was supposed to be one of expanding voting rights and economic opportunities. Yet the 1960s ended with America's cities in flames and almost completely hollowed out after the rioting and looting and massive rise in homicides, rapes, and burglaries.

The notion that the insane levels of black crime in the US inner cities is due to oppression is simply not borne out by the facts, otherwise one would think the amount of violent crime would go down following the expansion of black political power. Which I am absolutely not opposed to. Just don't try and pretend that Baltimore or Chicago or St Louis or Detroit or Cleveland or Oakland are extremely violent because of a lack of black political power.

As I've pointed out already, Nigerian immigrants do extremely well in the USA.

If Group A and Group B have the same skin tone, and Group A is successful while Group B is not, it stands to reason that Group B is not unsuccessful due to their skin tone.

It might be because so many members of Group B are shooting each other over absolutely idiotic cultural beefs they have with one another.

Group A and B don't have the same background. Obviously those who migrate to the USA often have entrepreneural drive and/or the resources to make it. That is nowhere comparable to a group that has been oppressed for centuries (keep in mind, many of those living today lived through the Jim Crow South and redlining.) You think this shit just disappears overnight?

The Civil Rights Movement often saw violence. No shit. Almost every movement against oppression and injustice sees violence. You also seem to ignore the reality that densely populated cities with high rates of poverty have high levels of crime as a symptom. This was no different when the cities were full of poor whites.

 

[NolanVoyd]

You can be sick of the "bad apples" argument or you can join the police force and claw your way to the top and institute perfection. Stop pointing the finger. That's easy enough to do. Start living it, and see how well you would hold up. It's a very hard and very stressful job with lousy pay. Think about it. Thanks!!

Sure, but teaching is harder.......and lots of things are more dangerous .......commercial fishing, driving a cab, being a sanitation worker.

How about cops do their jobs right or find another line of work if they can't hack it.

Stop whining at the very least.

 

[Noodlegawd]

If you know it's not just slavery then why did you need to ask that question?

How many times do you need me to give the same answer to a different phrasing of the same question? And why do you keep putting words into my mouth?

How about this: if you have a point to make about this discussion, just make it.

 

[Noodlegawd]

BOOM!!!! and another failed dodged and deflection instead of answering the question and backing up your claims LMAO
again that's what I thought!

Please let me know when you can answer the questions because posting lies and additional dodges wont work they just further my entertainment. Thanks!

I'll answer any non-idiotic question you choose to ask. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for it.

 

[Geoist]

You can be sick of the "bad apples" argument or you can join the police force and claw your way to the top and institute perfection. Stop pointing the finger. That's easy enough to do. Start living it, and see how well you would hold up. It's a very hard and very stressful job with lousy pay. Think about it. Thanks!!

You might as well say don't criticize the government if you've never been a politician. Or don't criticize the education system if you've never been a teacher. Really lame argument.

By the way, cops make on average $15,000 more per year than the average American. 'Lousy pay'... lol.

 

[Geoist]

How many times do you need me to give the same answer to a different phrasing of the same question? And why do you keep putting words into my mouth?

How about this: if you have a point to make about this discussion, just make it.

I've already made my point: your point was seriously flawed.

 

[Noodlegawd]

I've already made my point: your point was seriously flawed.

You've demonstrated repeatedly that you don't even understand what my point was.

 

[Geoist]

While I completely agree that US black inner cities are amongst the most dangerous places in the entire developed world, this reliance on population density doesn't hold up. As Latinos have replaced Blacks in LA, for example, the numbers of homicides have come down faster than the national average despite similar levels of poverty in these formerly black neighborhoods (e.g. Compton is still poor but incredibly safe compared to when it was majority black). Furthermore, black rural areas are much more violent than white rural areas accounting for poverty (Mississippi Delta as opposed to Appalachia, for example).

The #1 way to lower a cities violent crime rates is of course through mass incarceration, as evidenced by NYC and LA becoming much safer after passing multi-year mandatory minimum sentences for illegal gun carry while Illinois did not.

Your post is chockfull of correlation-causation fallacies. But we get it: you think black people suck.

 

[AGENT J]

I'll answer any non-idiotic question you choose to ask. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for it.

aaaaaand another delicious dodge LMAO
I already asked it and you ran from it and Ill gladly ask it again because its fun

What does higher crime have to do with being killed by police?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Sure there is. It gives the lie to the claim that blacks are disproportionately killed by police.

Not a lie. An inconvenient fact for some.

“Over the past five years there has been no reduction in the racial disparity in fatal police shooting victims despite increased use of body cameras and closer media scrutiny, according to a new report by researchers at Yale and the University of Pennsylvania.

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).”

Racial disparity in police shootings unchanged over 5 years

Over the past five years there has been no reduction in the racial disparity in fatal police shooting victims despite increased use of body cameras.

news.yale.edu

Plenty more reputable references to choose from.

 

[craig]

The 1960s Civil Rights Era was supposed to be one of expanding voting rights and economic opportunities. Yet the 1960s ended with America's cities in flames and almost completely hollowed out after the rioting and looting and massive rise in homicides, rapes, and burglaries.

The notion that the insane levels of black crime in the US inner cities is due to oppression is simply not borne out by the facts, otherwise one would think the amount of violent crime would go down following the expansion of black political power. Which I am absolutely not opposed to. Just don't try and pretend that Baltimore or Chicago or St Louis or Detroit or Cleveland or Oakland are extremely violent because of a lack of black political power.

As I've pointed out already, Nigerian immigrants do extremely well in the USA.

If Group A and Group B have the same skin tone, and Group A is successful while Group B is not, it stands to reason that Group B is not unsuccessful due to their skin tone.

It might be because so many members of Group B are shooting each other over absolutely idiotic cultural beefs they have with one another.

Well, that's just flat out not true. "Conservatives" don't do that. Out of 330 MILLION people, I doubt you could personally name more than three people that have referred to "black" women - not that there aren't "white" women on welfare - that have said that with any backing. It's not a racist issue. And regardless, you will always have those three or more people that say something stupid. i don't care what generation or what culture. It's the nature of a society, that you will invariably have a few not very nice people saying not very nice things. Thanks!!

I agree. Just read Rush quotes.

 

[Joby]

Group A
Nigerian Immigrants

Group B
American blacks

can you tell me more about group A?
What age are the immigrants?
How many are there?
Education?
Wealth?
how long in America?
Where do the live?
Family?
Speak the language fluently? with or without an accent?

what actually stands to reason is a person needs a lot more information to compare the groups in any honest and rational fashion

In the US, Nigerians are the most highly educated of all groups, with 61 per cent holding at least a bachelors degree compared with 31 per cent of the total foreign-born population and 32 per cent of the US-born population, according to 2017 data from the Migration Policy Institute.

What makes Nigerians in diaspora so successful

Highly-educated achievers in music to medicine draw on parental ambition and resilience fuelled by lack of opportunity at home

www.ft.com

Before anyone chimes in this is not an accident but a feature of Nigerian culture. These people are extremely driven, more than many other groups including average Americans. People who want to be successful should emulate this...

The Most Successful Ethnic Group in the U.S. May Surprise You | OZY

Nigerian-Americans are on a path to become one of the most successful immigrant groups in American history.

www.ozy.com

The “participation rate” is the number of employed and unemployed-but-looking as a percentage of the population ages 16 years and over.

The rate for African immigrants, the study found, was roughly 73%, or about 10 percentage points greater than for native-born Americans. This makes sense because the immigrants almost never have the generational family wealth or high-earning spouse that permits some Americans to avoid working.

Study shows African immigrants in U.S. do well, despite differences among them

The latest news and information for the University of Kansas.

news.ku.edu

Now this one below has to be my favorite piece, calling for successful African immigrants to stop judging African-Americans and stand in solidarity:

“I was on a recent conference call helping an organization put a statement together and this Sudanese brother says, ‘I don’t understand this Black Lives Matter stuff, I have never felt racism in this country.’ You know, I’m just letting people have it now … we [African-Americans] can sniff out anti-Blackness right when we step in the room, wherever we are. … I have never felt welcomed or comfortable in any African immigrant establishment in Minnesota.” These words come from a recent conversation I had with a close connection of mine.

A call to address anti-Blackness within African immigrant communities - MinnPost

As we stand in solidarity against racist practices, it is equally important that we call out and rectify the injustice within our own communities.

www.minnpost.com

 

[Logophile]

Sure, but teaching is harder.......and lots of things are more dangerous .......commercial fishing, driving a cab, being a sanitation worker.

How about cops do their jobs right or find another line of work if they can't hack it.

Stop whining at the very least.

What you created here is the quintessential "false equation." Within the job description of "teaching, commercial fishing or being a sanitation worker" is there any clause requiring those workers to intervene in violent conflict at a moments notice or at any time, arrest criminals, and therefore put their lives at risk as a prerequisite for the job. Thanks!!

 

[Mashmont]

Enjoy bellowing out your racism.

Pasty-faced leftwingers don't get to make the 'racist call'.

 

[Geoist]

You've demonstrated repeatedly that you don't even understand what my point was.

Let's revisit your question: "At what point do you think slavery will be far enough in our past as to no longer be an explanation?"

Your question ignores all the injustices that followed slavery. While craig did specifically mention slavery I'm sure he'd argue it is a placeholder for all the injustices African Americans faced over the centuries. There is just no comparing American groups who suffered centuries of injustice and oppression to immigrants who often did not suffer the same.

 

[AGENT J]

What makes Nigerians in diaspora so successful

Highly-educated achievers in music to medicine draw on parental ambition and resilience fuelled by lack of opportunity at home

www.ft.com

The Most Successful Ethnic Group in the U.S. May Surprise You | OZY

Nigerian-Americans are on a path to become one of the most successful immigrant groups in American history.

www.ozy.com

Study shows African immigrants in U.S. do well, despite differences among them

The latest news and information for the University of Kansas.

news.ku.edu

Now this one below has to be my favorite piece, calling for successful African immigrants to stop judging African-Americans and stand in solidarity:

A call to address anti-Blackness within African immigrant communities - MinnPost

As we stand in solidarity against racist practices, it is equally important that we call out and rectify the injustice within our own communities.

www.minnpost.com

Excellent so 2 groups that are actually nothing alike, thank you for proving my point.

 

[Noodlegawd]

aaaaaand another delicious dodge LMAO
I already asked it and you ran from it and Ill gladly ask it again because its fun

What does higher crime have to do with being killed by police?

That's an idiotic question AND I already answered it. Now I'm going to take my own advice and stop wasting my time with you. You had your chance.

 

[NolanVoyd]

What you created here is the quintessential "false equation." Within the job description of "teaching, commercial fishing or being a sanitation worker" is there any clause requiring those workers to intervene in violent conflict at a moments notice or at any time, arrest criminals, and therefore put their lives at risk as a prerequisite for the job. Thanks!!

Commercial fishing, cab driving, and being a sanitation worker are each more dangerous than being a cop. That is just a fact.

And YES, DOING THAT DANGEROUS WORK IS IN FACT A PREREQUISITE OF of those jobs........just like it is for cops.

Thanks.

 

[AGENT J]

That's an idiotic question AND I already answered it. Now I'm going to take my own advice and stop wasting my time with you. You had your chance.

BOOM!!!! and a third dodge! You factually did not answer this question. Why post a lie like that? LMAO
I asked it and it triggered a posted meltdown just like now. But thank you for proving my point and proving my question will be dodged and ran from. In the future simply don't make statements that cant be backed up and your pots wont fail so hard, Once again . . that's what I thought! You're welcome!

 

[Noodlegawd]

BOOM!!!! and a third dodge! You factually did not answer this question. Why post a lie like that? LMAO
I asked it and it triggered a posted meltdown just like now. But thank you for proving my point and proving my question will be dodged and ran from. In the future simply don't make statements that cant be backed up and your pots wont fail so hard, Once again . . that's what I thought! You're welcome!

Your inability to read above a 1st grade level does not make me a liar or "triggered."

 

[AGENT J]

Your inability to read above a 1st grade level does not make me a liar or "triggered."

I see you made another post but still no answer to my questions or facts to support your statement, just a hilarious failed personal attack. VERY TELLING lol
Fact remains you did post a lie, so here we are in the same spot . . . . .

when you can answer my questions and support your claim with facts, please let us know. thanks!

 

[Logophile]

Commercial fishing, cab driving, and being a sanitation worker are each more dangerous than being a cop. That is just a fact.

And YES, DOING THAT DANGEROUS WORK IS IN FACT A PREREQUISITE OF of those jobs........just like it is for cops.

Thanks.

What a load of bull. There is no comparison between what a policeman is required to do versus what a sanitation worker is required to do. If somebody runs out with a gun, the sanitation worker gets to run away with understanding and impunity. The policeman or policewoman, however, has to get the gun AWAY from the person that is trying to kill them or somebody else. You sound like you're twelve. Thanks!!

 

[Geoist]

Well, that's just flat out not true. "Conservatives" don't do that. Out of 330 MILLION people, I doubt you could personally name more than three people that have referred to "black" women - not that there aren't "white" women on welfare - that have said that with any backing. It's not a racist issue. And regardless, you will always have those three or more people that say something stupid. i don't care what generation or what culture. It's the nature of a society, that you will invariably have a few not very nice people saying not very nice things. Thanks!!

Linda Taylor became the living template for a racist stereotype: the greedy black woman getting rich off taxpayer money. That vicious, baseless caricature demonized some of the nation’s most vulnerable people, laying the groundwork for bipartisan welfare reforms that slashed direct aid to the poor. And the Taylor-inspired trope continues to haunt our political conversation, as elected officials claim that aid programs are plagued by fraud and call for food stamp recipients to be banned from purchasing “luxury” items like lobster. (There is no evidence that people who get food stamps eat a disproportionate amount of lobster.)

Opinion | The Myth Was $150,000 in Fraud. The Real Story Is More Interesting. (Published 2019)

The woman behind a pernicious and racist myth didn’t represent anyone or anything but her own striking criminal enterprise.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Logophile]

Opinion | The Myth Was $150,000 in Fraud. The Real Story Is More Interesting. (Published 2019)

The woman behind a pernicious and racist myth didn’t represent anyone or anything but her own striking criminal enterprise.

www.nytimes.com

Either quote it or buy me a subscription. The NYTimes and I have a long history, and lately it's been rather acrimonious. If you'd like to continue, please offer up the gist of your point. Thanks!!

 

[craig]

What a load of bull. There is no comparison between what a policeman is required to do versus what a sanitation worker is required to do. If somebody runs out with a gun, the sanitation worker gets to run away with understanding and impunity. The policeman or policewoman, however, has to get the gun AWAY from the person that is trying to kill them or somebody else. You sound like you're twelve. Thanks!!

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