Blacks: embrace education

[swing_voter]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

 

[Josie]

I don't see this ending well for you.

 

[CMPancake]

I think my favorite thing about the OP aside from how he stepped on the point like a rake but still failed to see it beyond "oh, it's just the blacks don't want to learn how to read good."

 

[ecofarm]

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

Did professor whitey get his degree in black people at Whitey U?

 

[chuckiechan]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

I don't see this ending well for you.

You are drifting into a thought crime.

 

[ecofarm]

I don't see this ending well for you.

Because the OP is wildly racist or because the masses are not yet prepared for a Trump U education?

 

[Drawdown]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

It isn't just true of poor black communities. The same thing happens in poor white communities. Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do.

 

[Josie]

Because the OP is wildly racist or because the masses are not yet prepared for a Trump U education?

The former, obviously.

 

[humbolt]

You are drifting into a thought crime.

Right. Best not think, lest you wander into a verboten area. It's a real mine field. Why, when your thoughts blow up on you...

 

[ecofarm]

The former, obviously.

Sometimes the cult gets normal people. Glad you're okay.

 

[Artymoon]

It isn't just true of poor black communities. The same thing happens in poor white communities. Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do.

I think the "anti-education mentality" has less to do with income and more to do with the family unit. Level of income should have no bearing on how a student performs. But, how stable and supportive the family unit is has a great impact on that IMO. I'm sure there are a number of educators posting here that could share some stories.

 

[Drawdown]

I think the "anti-education mentality" has less to do with income and more to do with the family unit. Level of income should have no bearing on how a student performs. But, how stable and supportive the family unit is has a great impact on that IMO. I'm sure there are a number of educators posting here that could share some stories.

Even among the same "family unit" there are kids that have done well and kids that have been disasters. While income shouldn't have a bearing, it does have a bearing.

 

[Josie]

I think the "anti-education mentality" has less to do with income and more to do with the family unit. Level of income should have no bearing on how a student performs. But, how stable and supportive the family unit is has a great impact on that IMO. I'm sure there are a number of educators posting here that could share some stories.

16 year elementary teacher here. In my experience, you are correct. I work in a low-income district. It has everything to do with the family. General education students from stable, healthy families whose parent or parents are active participants in their child's education will most likely do average to very well in school. I was one of those kids in the 80s. I grew up poor but with great parents who had high expectations for me and my siblings. Those children who grow up with parents who are never around, unstable relationships and home lives, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, emotional, verbal, physical and sexual abuse are going to struggle a LOT in school. It's not the parents' income that makes the difference --- it's the parents' attitudes, expectations and stability of the home.

 

[Josie]

Even among the same "family unit" there are kids that have done well and kids that have been disasters. While income shouldn't have a bearing, it does have a bearing.

Your two sentences don't make sense together. If a low-income family has children who turn out great but one is a "disaster", the income of that family had nothing to do with the "disaster". Did something traumatic happen to the child? Did he/she get in with the wrong crowd and make bad choices? Does he/she have a learning or mental disability?

 

[Artymoon]

Even among the same "family unit" there are kids that have done well and kids that have been disasters. While income shouldn't have a bearing, it does have a bearing.

No doubt. There are always gonna be black sheep. Got one in my family. Two of us did pretty well in school while the other bucked the system at every turn.

 

[Drawdown]

Your two sentences don't make sense together. If a low-income family has children who turn out great but one is a "disaster", the income of that family had nothing to do with the "disaster". Did something traumatic happen to the child? Did he/she get in with the wrong crowd and make bad choices? Does he/she have a learning or mental disability?

Of course it makes no sense to you since you are grasping for every straw except the fact that how teachers interact and engage with those children can make a huge difference between a success and a failure. That interaction can often be based on the students' socio-economic backgrounds, thus my statement, "Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do"

 

[Josie]

Of course it makes no sense to you since you are grasping for every straw except the fact that how teachers interact and engage with those children can make a huge difference between a success and a failure. That interaction can often be based on the students' socio-economic backgrounds, thus my statement, "Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do"

What? I'm doing nothing of the kind.

 

[yankintx]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

How many African Americans attended Trump U. Did his university reach out to black students, was financial assistance offerded at Trump U.

Oh wait, Trump U was a con, thats right.

 

[Drawdown]

What? I'm doing nothing of the kind.

Where is the teacher in your "Did something traumatic happen to the child? Did he/she get in with the wrong crowd and make bad choices? Does he/she have a learning or mental disability?" then?

 

[Napoleon]

It isn't just true of poor black communities. The same thing happens in poor white communities. Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do.

A lot of that hast to do with what people’s aspirations are. Generations of the same families work in factories with no education requirements. That’s why almost half of adults in Detroit were found to be functionally illiterate and unhireable after the auto industry meltdown. No one hast to complete even high school to stand on an assembly line in a manufacturing or meat packing plant and if you’re all but guaranteed a job to follow in your ancestral footsteps...why bother? It’s a problem in rural white America as much as it is in industrial cities (or what’s left of them).

 

[Guno]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

Too funny, trumps slack jawed jesusland rubes expound on education :lamo

 

[Josie]

Where is the teacher in your "Did something traumatic happen to the child? Did he/she get in with the wrong crowd and make bad choices? Does he/she have a learning or mental disability?" then?

A bad teacher can cause trauma..... is that what you're asking?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Your two sentences don't make sense together. If a low-income family has children who turn out great but one is a "disaster", the income of that family had nothing to do with the "disaster". Did something traumatic happen to the child? Did he/she get in with the wrong crowd and make bad choices? Does he/she have a learning or mental disability?

Not necessarily so, as you noted, one child may have medical and/or psychiatric needs that remain unmet (untreated?) primarily due to low income.

 

[Josie]

Not necessarily so, as you noted, one child may have medical and/or psychiatric needs that remain unmet (untreated?) primarily due to low income.

Good point. Although great parents would try to find any means to get their child treatment.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Good point. Although great parents would try to find any means to get their child treatment.

I agree, but that requires that the parents be educated (aware?) enough to recognize the specific problem. This is one area where the school system (teacher or councilor?) should be able to offer assistance/advice to the parent.