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Bipartisan support on impeachment

Hypothetical said:
because the SCOTUS needs to make a ruling on executive branch vs. the legislative in these matters , that is why.
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They made Nixon hand over the tapes, yes? Seems that there was already a ruling.
 
ecofarm said:
I believe the President extorted the Ukraine with approved military aid and for fake news benefiting him personally. I believe it can be argued that he cost Ukrainian soldiers' lives, as contingencies needed to be initiated.

I believe the blind eye is those pretending the President acted not as a politician but as a savior of America. It's absurdly blind to believe he needed to operate outside all channels, tell no one, and pressure the Ukraine to bring justice to America. That's fool blind.

This is America. We don't worship politicians. We see what he did.
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Now if you could just provide one witness to the accusation or any documented evidence you might have something. By witness I mean a first hand to the fact. Presumptions and what you think don't count.

Just an FYI, when the supposed victim states on several occasions it never happened, you have already lost the case. It doesn't matter what you think he was doing and it doesn't matter what you think he was thinking.
 
Ikari said:
They made Nixon hand over the tapes, yes? Seems that there was already a ruling.
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IF true and IF that can be seen the exact same, then they need to reassert it. that is the way the legal system works.
 
Hypothetical said:
IF true and IF that can be seen the exact same, then they need to reassert it. that is the way the legal system works.
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IF true? Do they teach history any more?

On April 11, 1974, the House Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the tapes of 42 White House conversations.[34] Later that month, Nixon released more than 1,200 pages of edited transcripts of the subpoenaed tapes, but refused to turn over the actual tapes, claiming executive privilege once more.[35] The Judiciary Committee, however, rejected Nixon's edited transcripts, saying that they did not comply with the subpoena.[36]

Sirica, acting on a request from Jaworski, issued a subpoena for the tapes of 64 presidential conversations to use as evidence in the criminal cases against indicted former Nixon administration officials. Nixon refused, and Jaworski appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court to force Nixon to turn over the tapes. On July 24, 1974, the Supreme Court ordered Nixon to release the tapes.[37] The 8–0 ruling (Justice William Rehnquist recused himself owing to having worked for Attorney General John Mitchell)[37] in United States v. Nixon found that President Nixon was wrong in arguing that courts are compelled to honor, without question, any presidential claim of executive privilege.[37]
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Is it the same? The Congress subpoenaed the State Department for documents related to the Impeachment Inquiry.

lol

"They need to reassert it". So what you're saying is that Congress needs to take this to the SCOTUS to set precedent (which it already did), but then that precedent isn't really precedent and it needs to reassert its powers every time.

lol

The GOP-Partisan Obstruction Defense flies in the face of everything that has already been established. It's clearly just a partisan ploy to avoid holding an R accountable for abuses in power and obstruction.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm not a big virgin guy; don't care.

Third President in all of history to be impeached. End of story.
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in the big scheme of things, IF the impeachment passes the house, how does this matter in any significant way?

Do you think this has won you anything in the polls? Garnered any support for the democratic candidates?

Do you for a moment think the senate will find him guilty?

This has done nothing but increase his support....look at his war chest. It has galvanized his base, because like so many americans, they dont see a crime....no crime, no punishment.

I know your POV may differ, but i really have a hard time getting into the mindset of what Nancy and the power base of the democratic wing was thinking....maybe they thought the people would get behind this....but if that was there thinking, boy were they wrong.

Playing high stakes politics, and putting your chips in the middle of the table when all you are holding is a lousy pair of 6's is just not very smart
 
gdgyva said:
in the big scheme of things, IF the impeachment passes the house, how does this matter in any significant way?
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That caps lock "if" is disconnected from reality and thereby concerning.
 
Cultists won't hold him accountable. That would require removing their lips from his ass.
 
gdgyva said:
odds are it will, but it is NOT a sure thing
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It's a sure thing. I don't need dumbass bs. Yelling something doesn't make it less stupid.
 
Ikari said:
Don't worry, when a Democrat eventually does it, then they'll find their outrage.
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these Trump Republicans should live in some Italian neighborhood in New York City where they strongly support the Mafia (and extortion and those kinds of crimes) but still go to church on Sundays.

that's all they are anyway. they'd fit right in.
 
Hypothetical said:
because the SCOTUS needs to make a ruling on executive branch vs. the legislative in these matters , that is why.

if the COURT decides he needs to testify and he still will not, THEN you have something.
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Trump has already violated a judges order relating to separation of children at the border. Nothing was done about it. So if he refused to honor an order from SCOTUS, who enforces that, Bill Barr? Give me a break.

Sorry. No time for all that. If the courts take their sweet time and Trump cheats his way to a win in 2020, what good are the courts. IMO The courts are contributing to the obstruction.

I agree 100% with the rush to impeach. And if Trump gets acquitted next month, mark my words, he will do something else illegal between now and 2020.

Investigate-Legislate-litigate, in that order. Drill down on all the improper/illegal actions this president is taking. Make the people more aware before 2020 and we wont have to worry about the clown show any longer.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Trump has already violated a judges order relating to separation of children at the border. Nothing was done about it. So if he refused to honor an order from SCOTUS, who enforces that, Bill Barr? Give me a break.

Sorry. No time for all that. If the courts take their sweet time and Trump cheats his way to a win in 2020, what good are the courts. IMO The courts are contributing to the obstruction.

I agree 100% with the rush to impeach. And if Trump gets acquitted next month, mark my words, he will do something else illegal between now and 2020.

Investigate-Legislate-litigate, in that order. Drill down on all the improper/illegal actions this president is taking. Make the people more aware before 2020 and we wont have to worry about the clown show any longer.
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LOL. Take your medications.
 
Better yet go scream at the sky again you pathetic losers when Trump wins reelection.
 
gdgyva said:
in the big scheme of things, IF the impeachment passes the house, how does this matter in any significant way?

Do you think this has won you anything in the polls? Garnered any support for the democratic candidates?

Very simply, he will be the 3rd POTUS in 240 yrs to be impeached. He becomes an impeached president, period. Bad for his look. He will act out like a cornered rabid dog and prove to everyone he is unfit for 4 more years. Who knows what he will do. Nothing surprises anyone anymore.
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The AntiDonald said:
gdgyva said:
in the big scheme of things, IF the impeachment passes the house, how does this matter in any significant way?

Do you think this has won you anything in the polls? Garnered any support for the democratic candidates?

Very simply, he will be the 3rd POTUS in 240 yrs to be impeached. He becomes an impeached president, period. Bad for his look. He will act out like a cornered rabid dog and prove to everyone he is unfit for 4 more years. Who knows what he will do. Nothing surprises anyone anymore.
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The first with NO bipartisan support it seems...which sounds really odd doesnt it...

What will he do? You guys want him to have a hissy fit, and cry like a baby

What i think will happen, is that he will use this as even more ammunition to fire up his base, fire up his rallies, and win in 2020

And based on the polling numbers, he is now GAINING ground....

Who would have thought the democrats could **** this one up so BAD
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