Bipartisan infrastructure talks in dire state ahead of pivotal week

[gbg3]

This news today actually surprises me. I watched several Sunday shows yesterday and thought, today, we'd likely see agreement among this bipartisan group. They were quite close to tying up the final loose ends at the end of last week and over the weekend.

MSN

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[Queen Margo]

Bipartisan ?- I am pretty sure that has been cancelled. Seems to have left everyone speechless

 

[ttwtt78640]

Expecting bipartisan agreement on Senate “infrastructure” spending packages (yep, they must pass the House together) totaling about $4.7T in short order (before the August recess) is foolish.

 

[Mycroft]

This news today actually surprises me. I watched several Sunday shows yesterday and thought, today, we'd likely see agreement among this bipartisan group. They were quite close to tying up the final loose ends at the end of last week and over the weekend.

MSN

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LOL!!

This is sooo funny.

Someone wants to call this "bipartisan", when all we have here are Democrat Elites and a small group of Republican Elites playing their stupid little political games...and none of them actually care about the country, the people or any kind of budget. It's just these globalists trying to push their own private agenda that'll get them some money and power.

Don't believe me? Here's the list of those "Republicans" that make this "bipartisan".

Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Mitt Romney (R-Utah), Mike Rounds (R-S.D.), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and Todd Young (R-Ind.).

And here is what Trump has to say to them.



As usual...Trump is correct.

 

[Hatuey]

Imagine saving blog posts from a defunct, unvisited website, so you can tell us when you think your best friend is right about a job he was fired from 6 months ago.

Lmao, wackadoodles. No really.

 

[tres borrachos]

Imagine saving blog posts from a defunct, unvisited website, so you can tell us when you think your best friend is right about a job he was fired from 6 months ago.

Lmao, wackadoodles. No really.

It makes me smile because it's so freaky.

 

[gdgyva]

if they want to do a SEPERATE bill for the infrastructure and keep it around the 600b that was discussed, a deal can be made i am fairly certain

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has said she will not take up either proposal until the Senate passes both. The strategy has sparked concerns among Republicans who worry a vote for the bipartisan plan will give Democrats’ $3.5 trillion package a better chance of passing, and among centrist Democrats who are not yet comfortable with their party’s developing proposal.

Senators hope to forge ahead with bipartisan infrastructure bill this week

Senators aim to finalize a bipartisan infrastructure proposal, and could vote to advance it as soon as this week.

www.cnbc.com

But Pelosi wants them both PASSED and that isnt going to happen the way she wants

So she can get something or nothing.....her choice

 

[gbg3]

Bipartisan ?- I am pretty sure that has been cancelled. Seems to have left everyone speechless

I've actually been quite surprised at how little talk there has been about these infrastructure plans on DP. There's been some mentions of the plans but few are following the day by day developments. Passing either of these bills (physical or human infrastructure) would be a very big deal. I think passing physical infrastructure would be a positive for the country and well liked by the public. I feel the opposite of the human infrastructure piece. I think the Dems would love it but it would tank the economy and have very negative ramifications for Dems in 22. But, both of these are very big deals and threads about them are not plentiful or frequent.

 

[gbg3]

Expecting bipartisan agreement on Senate “infrastructure” spending packages (yep, they must pass the House together) totaling about $4.7T in short order (before the August recess) is foolish.

I was simply expecting the small Senate bipartisan group would reach agreement within that little group and likely today. I think Nancy's recent reiteration that the two bills must pass the House together is a huge obstacle which could easily blow up both bills!
But, this OP article leads me to believe we might not even get agreement within the little Senate bipartisan group.

 

[Captain Adverse]

This news today actually surprises me. I watched several Sunday shows yesterday and thought, today, we'd likely see agreement among this bipartisan group. They were quite close to tying up the final loose ends at the end of last week and over the weekend.

MSN

The only things that should be in an "infrastructure" bill are expenditures directly involving infrastructure:

1. Road expansion and repair,
2. Bridge expansion and repair,
3. Rail line expansion and repair,
4. Tunnels,
5. Ferries,
6. Airports,
7. Seaports,
8. Dams,
9. Sewage pipes and treatment facilities,
10. Clean water processing,
11. Power Grids,
12. Communications facilities.

If it hasn't got a damn thing to do with ACTUAL "Infrastructure," then it should be in some other budget proposal.

 

[Roadvirus]

if they want to do a SEPERATE bill for the infrastructure and keep it around the 600b that was discussed, a deal can be made i am fairly certain

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has said she will not take up either proposal until the Senate passes both. The strategy has sparked concerns among Republicans who worry a vote for the bipartisan plan will give Democrats’ $3.5 trillion package a better chance of passing, and among centrist Democrats who are not yet comfortable with their party’s developing proposal.

Senators hope to forge ahead with bipartisan infrastructure bill this week

Senators aim to finalize a bipartisan infrastructure proposal, and could vote to advance it as soon as this week.

www.cnbc.com

But Pelosi wants them both PASSED and that isnt going to happen the way she wants

So she can get something or nothing.....her choice

Let her go with that. The great part is if it all fails, it's all on Nutty Nancy. She'll own the failure of this thing.

 

[Callen]

There's been some mentions of the plans but few are following the day by day developments

I follow these things quite closely and quite frankly there have not been significant day-to-day developments to discuss. It remains pretty much the same.....a group of well intended Senators trying to come up with a compromise. Neither side, much to their credit, has made news with serious details of where they stand on the issues nor have they lambasted each other. Some generalized comments on a few of the issues but not really airing it all in public. I think they will come to an agreement but one thing is apparent, people have forgotten how the sausage really gets made!

As far as the human infrastructure bill goes.........gotta get the first one dealt with and then all hell will break loose withthe second then there will be lots of chatter.

 

[gbg3]

if they want to do a SEPERATE bill for the infrastructure and keep it around the 600b that was discussed, a deal can be made i am fairly certain

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has said she will not take up either proposal until the Senate passes both. The strategy has sparked concerns among Republicans who worry a vote for the bipartisan plan will give Democrats’ $3.5 trillion package a better chance of passing, and among centrist Democrats who are not yet comfortable with their party’s developing proposal.

Senators hope to forge ahead with bipartisan infrastructure bill this week

Senators aim to finalize a bipartisan infrastructure proposal, and could vote to advance it as soon as this week.

www.cnbc.com

But Pelosi wants them both PASSED and that isnt going to happen the way she wants

So she can get something or nothing.....her choice

This link you provided is a lot more optimistic sounding than the Politico one in the OP. The link I posted in the OP makes it sound like even the small bipartisan group is suddenly at odds on some issues.
I agree that Nancy's position is potentially problematic to any of it passing.

 

[Helix]

Republican sabotage. News at 11.

 

[gbg3]

For some time now, I've thought it so odd that some Dems (e.g., Nancy) have insisted on marrying these two bills. That simply does nothing but hurt their chances with the GOP. I guess it's because the furthest left of the party fear they'll never get Manchin and Sinema types to vote for the human part once the physical part passes - and that could be right. But, getting the physical part passed would be a win for Biden (and I think for the GOP too). So many moderate voters of both parties would like part one.

 

[tres borrachos]

Republican sabotage. News at 11.

Trump sabotage. News in a few minutes.

 

[Callen]

For some time now, I've thought it so odd that some Dems (e.g., Nancy) have insisted on marrying these two bills.

Seems weird to me too but the one thing I know about Pelosi, she never does anything without a very specific reason and one of them would not be undermining President Biden's agenda. She is excellent at herding cats so somehow or other I think that is key to her strategy.

 

[Hypothetical]

For some time now, I've thought it so odd that some Dems (e.g., Nancy) have insisted on marrying these two bills. That simply does nothing but hurt their chances with the GOP. I guess it's because the furthest left of the party fear they'll never get Manchin and Sinema types to vote for the human part once the physical part passes - and that could be right. But, getting the physical part passed would be a win for Biden (and I think for the GOP too). So many moderate voters of both parties would like part one.

well my thought is they really don't care about the people or the bill bill unless they can get their pet projects in on it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

This news today actually surprises me. I watched several Sunday shows yesterday and thought, today, we'd likely see agreement among this bipartisan group. They were quite close to tying up the final loose ends at the end of last week and over the weekend.

MSN

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The only point where the "Republicans" (whatever that means) have any difficulty with is how to pay for the package. The "Republicans" (whatever that means) are perfectly content with the whole package provided that it isn't paid for by increasing revenue or decreasing expenses.

Now, to help the "Republicans" (whatever that means) out, I have a modest proposal.

Print off a copy of

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then mail it to your "Republican" (whatever that means) Senator or Representative of choice and tell them to either (A) get their thumb out and start governing for the good of the whole country, or (B) use it to pay the bills.

 

[Kushinator]

The Dems are firmly in control on this. Republicans can either try to work with them, or the dems will ram their own bill to the President's desk via reconciliation.

Why are people in this thread so delusional?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The only things that should be in an "infrastructure" bill are expenditures directly involving infrastructure:

1. Road expansion and repair,
2. Bridge expansion and repair,
3. Rail line expansion and repair,
4. Tunnels,
5. Ferries,
6. Airports,
7. Seaports,
8. Dams,
9. Sewage pipes and treatment facilities,
10. Clean water processing,
11. Power Grids,
12. Communications facilities.

If it hasn't got a damn thing to do with ACTUAL "Infrastructure," then it should be in some other budget proposal.

You forgot to include the REALLY ESSENTIAL one which is

>>Pork Barrel Spending Which Will Help Get Me Reelected<<​

 

[Roadvirus]

Republican sabotage. News at 11.

Nancy Pelosi is a Republican? I had no idea!

 

[Helix]

Nancy Pelosi is a Republican? I had no idea!

Sad trombone.

 

[gbg3]

The Dems are firmly in control on this. Republicans can either try to work with them, or the dems will ram their own bill to the President's desk via reconciliation.

Why are people in this thread so delusional?

Maybe, if they have the Dem votes to do so. I think there is still some question about that which is why Nancy is feeling the need to keep the bills linked. I think there is at least a 25% chance the Dems will walk away with nothing and, if they do, it will be due to taking an all or nothing approach IMO.

 

[Plasmaball]

Shrug. It's not like the gop will just go home and say look at what I got you anyways if they vote no.