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Billionaire Elon Musk Steps Into Twitter HQ, Sink in Hand

No thanks im not into engaging in fruitless prusuits
The fruit is producing a retort that stands on its merits. I have yet to hear any arguments that effectively defend the actions of the former president. Everything from the length of time he took in making public statements to call off the mob, to his efforts to undo the electoral process by introducing fake electors and pressuring state election officials.
 
What I think was shaky ground for social media companies was assuming the role of arbiters of truth since they were never intended to be that
Completely agree with this statement.

and monitoring information at that level is massive and easy to get wrong.
and also with this one. Wouldn't it be a reasonable and measured response to censor only that which absolutely must be censored, i.e. porn, violent videos, the sort of thing that section 230 was protecting carriers and Internet web sites from the liabilities related to their users posting that sort of thing? (Rather than how those Internet web sites have contorted and abused it's intent).

If Musk brings this frame of reference to Twitter, and instills it in Twitter, it would only seem to be a very good thing.

In the end it is a private company among other competing social media sites. Given the choice of social media sites, I don't think we're at a point to say that Twitter alone is the only public square that it has to be treated as a utility.
True, there are other social media sites just as there are other utility companies. The difference being is that the Internet erases geographical location as a barrier or discriminator between these social media sites, which isn't the case for utility companies.
 
No thanks im not into engaging in fruitless prusuits
You are not trying to convince me, but the audience as a whole. What the reader's of this thread just witnessed is a guy that makes rash statements without foundation. Its clear to us all that apparently you don't have the goods. But you are not alone. It was a trick question, as there is no counter-narrative.

Don't write checks you can not cash. Obviously you can't defend your statement, so its appropriately disregarded.

Cheney's portrayal was obviously spot-on. Thanks for playing.
 
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basic common sense and facts

Tweeter =/= utility company
Debate politics =/= utility company
 
Its comforting to know that money just can't buy everything. It can't buy one thing he seems so desperately to want. No matter how rich he is, no matter how hard he tries, he will never be funny.
Agree to disagree... I thought the "let that sink in" bit was funny as shit. I do love a good dad joke, though.
 
You are not trying to convince me, but the audience as a whole. What the reader's of this thread just witnessed is a guy that makes rash statements without foundation. Its clear to us all that apparently you don't have the goods. But you are not alone. It was a trick question, as there is no counter-narrative.

Don't write checks you can not cash. Obviously you can't defend your statement, so its appropriately disregarded.

Cheney's portrayal was obviously spot-on. Thanks for playing.
There's no point in rehashing conversations that have already taken place. At the end of the day Cheney"s vendetta cost her, her seat.
 
Twitter says less than 5% are bots, but Business Insider said that number is closer to 21 to 29%.

Twitter literally has tens of millions of bots, usually identifiable by right-wing talking points and extremely low follower counts.
The fact that this search algorithm would false-positive millions of "normal" accounts backed by an actual person (yes, right-wingers are not bots), explains how complex it is to accurately identify bot accounts.

Don't get me wrong, Elon will try. It's a stated goal and he attacks challenges where there's an interesting problem. This one is interesting.
 
Biased against what? Political ideology? Is recognizing the sex of a transgender individuals as their chosen sex based on political affiliation or leaning? We have been talking about "silencing" or "censoring" conservatives on Twitter, yes or no?
Yes, the entire gender ideology thing can be broken down into political lean. You have radicals that think boys can be girls and visa versa. That's nutbag bonkers ideology that's almost completely found on the left, as well as the censoring of these basic facts of realities.
We have at least one transgender "conservative" on the board. Should she identify as a male since she is a "conservative" then? What about Katlyn Jenner, should she call herself Bruce again because she is "conservative"?
Katlyn Jenner is despised by the gender activists because he states the realities, like men shouldn't be competing against women in sports.
That's your own opinion. I don't see it as serious as that. But then I'm not a whiny snowflake.
You don't see it serious that a guy that was as mainstream as a Twitter CEO said, in public, that he would cheer on Maoist mass slaughter? This is sounding more and more that you might have sympathies with his statement.
 
There's no point in rehashing conversations that have already taken place. At the end of the day Cheney"s vendetta cost her, her seat.
Direct me to a place (link please) where you believe you have supported your statement. Again, there is no counter narrative, and you certainly do not have one. Wishful thinking is not argument. Right now, you are exposed as 'all hat, no cattle" .... Personally, I would have more pride than that and would attempt to defend myself, but Trump supporters largely have no shame or they would be supporting Trump.

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Cheney has no vendetta. That is an idiotic statement. You should put the shovel down, you are just digging yourself deeper as an exposed poster that can not back up what they say. You should take your act to FaceBook where emotional arguments are appreciated. I will continue to call you out on rash statements that you can't support.

Trump's actions will have cost him plenty, starting with little sleep and lots of broken plates, and the bill adds from there. He certainly has disqualified himself from ever POTUS again.
 

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Yes, the entire gender ideology thing can be broken down into political lean. You have radicals that think boys can be girls and visa versa. That's nutbag bonkers ideology that's almost completely found on the left, as well as the censoring of these basic facts of realities.

Katlyn Jenner is despised by the gender activists because he states the realities, like men shouldn't be competing against women in sports.

Way to avoid the point. Why did Babylon Bee get suspended? Because they identified a transgender woman as a "man". Should Jenner identify as a man? Should the transgender "conservative" DP member identify as a man?
You don't see it serious that a guy that was as mainstream as a Twitter CEO said, in public, that he would cheer on Maoist mass slaughter? This is sounding more and more that you might have sympathies with his statement.
Mainstream? I didn't even know who the guy was until you mentioned him. Let's look at the statement:

“Me-first capitalists who think you can separate society from business are going to be the first people lined up against the wall and shot in the revolution,” Costolo shot back. “I’ll happily provide video commentary.”

Did he call for violence? Nope? He stated a prediction should there be some nebulous "revolution".

Maoist? Methinks you're being a tad hyperbolic, like most easily offended "conservatives".
 
No you don't.
You gotta be kidding me. The left is whining and moaning because Musk wants free speech and they claim if conservatives aren't censored, they will say mean things or spread disinformation, which is just facts they don't want to see the light of day, like Hunter's laptop, that masks don't work, that the vaccines were experimental, etc.
 
Completely agree with this statement.
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and also with this one. Wouldn't it be a reasonable and measured response to censor only that which absolutely must be censored, i.e. porn, violent videos, the sort of thing that section 230 was protecting carriers and Internet web sites from the liabilities related to their users posting that sort of thing? (Rather than how those Internet web sites have contorted and abused it's intent).

If Musk brings this frame of reference to Twitter, and instills it in Twitter, it would only seem to be a very good thing.
That's where things would return to, but the twist Musk brings in is the expectation of free speech absolutism that can easily be construed by some as the ability to post the content they want without moderation. The challenge for social media companies is they are platforms that can amplify all sorts of information, which is why sorting out how to best moderate that is going to be really tricky.

It's also important to note that social media companies aren't just blank slates for its users since there is some form of curated experience running in the background (e.g. moderation that keeps trolls etc. out to minimize "noise") via their terms of service. The needle Musk will have to thread now is allaying the fears of advertisers who fear his comments on free speech absolutism will lead to a space certain advertisers don't want to be associated with; that much is clear by his softened comments made to advertisers this week.

True, there are other social media sites just as there are other utility companies. The difference being is that the Internet erases geographical location as a barrier or discriminator between these social media sites, which isn't the case for utility companies.
That, however, still doesn't make them a "utility", and that model would put in place moderation policies closer to what people like Musk are bucking.
 
but yet tons of comedians and jokes and satire are still posted on there right . . .

so saying comedy is now allowed would be factually inaccurate because it was always allowed
and you claiming they started banning satirical posts is also factually inaccurate because you gave an example of one member based on your opinion and no factual info while many more do post satire

so i guess instead of satire your post was just factually wrong then the way you wrote it 🤷‍♂️

Your argument is akin Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's famous claim that there is freedom of religion in Iran because everyone is free to practice Islam.
 
Your argument is akin Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's famous claim that there is freedom of religion in Iran because everyone is free to practice Islam.
Mike Pence's argument is akin to the same thing, where everyone is free to practice Christianity.
 
Your argument is akin Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's famous claim that there is freedom of religion in Iran because everyone is free to practice Islam.
ahh i see your mistake and where your huge failure is now
you think this is an argument/debate when the reality is i simply pointed out your statements are, indeed, not facts 🤷‍♂️

nothing will change this fact but by all means if your feelings disagree PLEASE simply prove your statements to be facts
we already know you won't, cause you cant . . . . . .why . . because once again your statement were indeed not facts, cant wait to see what you do!
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Yeah, this whole thing is just him trying to reframe to make him look better. It's funny how quickly he dropped all of his arguments against the deal and is now acting like he's so happy with his choice. This is the worst deal I've ever seen. He paid WAY too much for it, put WAY too much debt on the company, and personally screwed himself over with the margin loan. If I heard correctly the deal's going through at the original terms, which if that includes the same financing terms the debt service is going to consume pretty much all of the Company's cash flows. On top of that it's going to trade like shit right out of the gate and he's going to have a hell of a time cleaning up this cap structure when the debt service inevitably pressures the financials because any refi of the Notes is going to be at a higher coupon. On top of that he funded partially with a margin loan that PIKs at 5% so he's going to have to post a pretty hefty cash margin call check in the near future, which will be even greater if TSLA share price continues to decline.

Oh yeah also it's not a good idea to tell a company you're going to fire 75% of the employees after you just overlevered the company lmao
Why are you worried about share price? Am I missing something here? He went from 10% stake in a publicly traded company to buying it outright. He now owns it. I would imagine it will soon be removed from market trading.
 
What quote would that be?


But Pence was not finished. He also suggested that the Supreme Court's right-wing supermajority has a duty to side with one faith over another.
Today, that means the GOP's embrace of Christian nationalism.

"You know, I said today here in Houston that the source of our nation's greatness has always been our faith in God, our freedom, and our vast natural resources. And the good news is, that after four years of the Trump-Pence administration, I'm confident that we have a pro-religious freedom majority on the Supreme Court of the United States. And I'm confident that come Election Day, November the 8th, you're gonna see that freedom majority around the country turn out and vote pro-freedom majorities in the House, and in the Senate, and in statehouses around the country," Pence said. "So stay tuned, Larry. Help is on the way."

 
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That's where things would return to, but the twist Musk brings in is the expectation of free speech absolutism that can easily be construed by some as the ability to post the content they want without moderation. The challenge for social media companies is they are platforms that can amplify all sorts of information, which is why sorting out how to best moderate that is going to be really tricky.
I dunno about it being tricky or not. It really depends on the guidelines put into place and the definitions those guidelines use.

1). If you start with the Section 230 of the CDA, my reading of it's intent was primarily to keep porn and graphic violence away from children, giving the social media platforms the power to take that content down without repercussions to them, i.e. to censer that speech, nor any liability to them of what their users post, no liability to them for their users posting copyrighted material and such on their platform.

If held to that clarity, simplicity and common sense, does it still look like it is very tricky? I'm more leaning to it wouldn't be.

2). This then was abused, over-extended to 'hate speech', generally never defined any further, and there are some who claim that any speech which disagrees with them politically or their political point of view as being the same as a physical assault, and thus 'hate speech', justifying the censorship of political views and political speech with which they don't agree. Suddenly you have censorship decisions driven by political agenda and leaning of the censor in question.

3). This then extended again to include 'disinformation', which, even more blatantly, applied to information the censor doesn't agree with nor support, and suddenly, you have disfavored political facts and information being suppressed, which favored political facts and information are made even more prominent, through bot accounts which re-Tweet and like that content.

Sure, when you end up in either #2 or #3 it can get really trick really fast. That doesn't mean that if you stuck to #1 that it would have to be tricky.

It's also important to note that social media companies aren't just blank slates for its users since there is some form of curated experience running in the background (e.g. moderation that keeps trolls etc. out to minimize "noise") via their terms of service.
This curation that you speak of is already a function of a publisher and less so a function of a platform.
Which is social media? A platform? Or a publisher?
The rules governing the two are vastly different.
Publishers being liable for the content they've curated, platforms come with a minimal level of curation.
Social media can't be claiming publisher rights with their curation, while at the same time claiming platform rights which only include minimal curation.
For clarity's sake, it needs to be either one or the other, but not both.

The needle Musk will have to thread now is allaying the fears of advertisers who fear his comments on free speech absolutism will lead to a space certain advertisers don't want to be associated with; that much is clear by his softened comments made to advertisers this week.

That, however, still doesn't make them a "utility", and that model would put in place moderation policies closer to what people like Musk are bucking.
Meh. It's the closest analogy which fits. Hell, a great deal of the Internet actually 'runs' on the physical telecommunication networks, doesn't it?
 
But Pence was not finished. He also suggested that the Supreme Court's right-wing supermajority has a duty to side with one faith over another.
Today, that means the GOP's embrace of Christian nationalism.

"You know, I said today here in Houston that the source of our nation's greatness has always been our faith in God, our freedom, and our vast natural resources. And the good news is, that after four years of the Trump-Pence administration, I'm confident that we have a pro-religious freedom majority on the Supreme Court of the United States. And I'm confident that come Election Day, November the 8th, you're gonna see that freedom majority around the country turn out and vote pro-freedom majorities in the House, and in the Senate, and in statehouses around the country," Pence said. "So stay tuned, Larry. Help is on the way."


Whoa... you read that REALLY poorly. :oops:

He didn't say you only have the freedom to practice Christianity.
 
ahh i see your mistake and where your huge failure is now
you think this is an argument/debate when the reality is i simply pointed out your statements are, indeed, not facts 🤷‍♂️

nothing will change this fact but by all means if your feelings disagree PLEASE simply prove your statements to be facts
we already know you won't, cause you cant . . . . . .why . . because once again your statement were indeed not facts, cant wait to see what you do!
:ROFLMAO:🍿

Things you learn on DP: When you open a response from AGENT J that ends in an emoji and popcorn you can safely skip the idiocy that was typed before it.
 
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