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Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigration

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Is that why you support Trump, because he reminds you of Bill?

Beat me to it.
This says more about Trump and Hillary than it does Bill.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

My English lesson for you today komrade. When referring to a single person, you should not use plurals. Do try and fail less.

Good point. And you know you made a good point when the kook left attacks purposely misspelled words. LMAO. Leftists. What a dried up bunch. ;)
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Good point. And you know you made a good point when the kook left attacks purposely misspelled words. LMAO. Leftists. What a dried up bunch. ;)

The "K" in "komrade" is because Zimmer likes to use extra "K"s, so I play along. Actually, the whole komrade thing is a play on Zimmer's style. Us leftists, see, we have an actual sense of humor.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

That is very interesting. Assuming that the Clinton side will argue "different times and circumstances" to soften the blow, it is true that the hits against Hillary keep coming. It may not change the outcome. What surprises me it the support for Sanders prior to this. Most have not even heard of Mr. Clinton's trespasses, Lewinski, Flowers etc, and I am assuming they know little about the Clinton legacy, yet the old man Sanders keeps putting Hillary in her place, over and over again.
Nicely done, Bernie.
The Trump campaign will make sure to use Bill's words wisely, I am sure.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

My English lesson for you today komrade. When referring to a single person, you should not use plurals. Do try and fail less.

ROTFLOL...

I, nor anyone else needs tips on English from someone who fails to understand the difference between "principle" and "principal".

Exception... Perhaps Demsocialist needs tips from a cunning linguist like you!

And... Once again... You fail to address the issue at hand... Which is Clinton and Trump being exactly the same on illegal immigration.

You Demokrats have your attention so easily deflected from matters of import... It's why you're Demokrats!
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

The "K" in "komrade" is because Zimmer likes to use extra "K"s, so I play along. Actually, the whole komrade thing is a play on Zimmer's style. Us leftists, see, we have an actual sense of humor.

"Komrade"... I realize you're of that political persuasion, and in this instance your use of "k" accurately reflects who and what you are politically.

Now... What did you want to say about Trump and Clinton having identical views on illegal immigration?
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

:lamo:lamo:lamo Let me know when Bill Clinton was in favor of deporting every single" illegal immigrant"

He did say we are a nation of laws... Did he not?

What are the laws on the books regarding illegals?

Deportation I believe.

Yet again... A Demokrat, in this instance an admitted socialist... Fails to note the parallels and tries mightily to deflect and weasel.

As you are.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Is that why you support Trump, because he reminds you of Bill?

How cute... Our Englitch teacher Redress will put a Gold Star on yer forehead.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Is Trumps immigration stance exactly the same as Clintons or what Clinton proposed in the 1996 SOTU?

No. Not by my measure of comparing two things. While they have similar views or policy suggestions on some instances of it, and perhaps some generalized baseline principles, there are multiple factors of each that were different. Additionally, we're talking about 20 years ago, and acting as if the conditions and situations of then are the same conditions and situations of now, and thus the conclusion would be the same now as it was then, is foolish.

Now that said, anyone that has sat here on this forum declaring that the ACA was a "republican plan" or "was basically a republican idea" or some other such variation of that and now tries to claim that Trump and Clinton's views on immigration are completely separate and different or that it can't be applied to "democrats" as a whole are acting in an immensely hypocritical and logically inconsistent fashion.

Ditto to those who are trying to claim the two do have the same views on Immigration, yet argued against such claims with the ACA.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

He did say we are a nation of laws... Did he not?

What are the laws on the books regarding illegals?

Deportation I believe.
The "laws on the books regarding illegals":
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https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/F...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Yet again... A Demokrat,
Whats a "Demokrat"?

in this instance an admitted socialist...
:scared::scared::scared: Ahhh! Scurry!

Fails to note the parallels and tries mightily to deflect and weasel.
:lamo Since Bill Clinton said, "we are a nation of laws" that means he supports Trumps policies of deportation and the wall!? You ****ing kidding me?

As you are.
Okie dokie
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Is Trumps immigration stance exactly the same as Clintons or what Clinton proposed in the 1996 SOTU?

No. Not by my measure of comparing two things. While they have similar views or policy suggestions on some instances of it, and perhaps some generalized baseline principles, there are multiple factors of each that were different. Additionally, we're talking about 20 years ago, and acting as if the conditions and situations of then are the same conditions and situations of now, and thus the conclusion would be the same now as it was then, is foolish.

Now that said, anyone that has sat here on this forum declaring that the ACA was a "republican plan" or "was basically a republican idea" or some other such variation of that and now tries to claim that Trump and Clinton's views on immigration are completely separate and different or that it can't be applied to "democrats" as a whole are acting in an immensely hypocritical and logically inconsistent fashion.

Ditto to those who are trying to claim the two do have the same views on Immigration, yet argued against such claims with the ACA.

They are exactly the same... And you fail to explain how they're not... Throwing in some blarney of there being a 20-year difference. ROTFLOL... What? Did we change the laws? Nope... We didn't.

Conditions you say?

Fact is... "Conditions" are far more serious... We have massive unemployment and the threat of terrorism and disease.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

They are exactly the same... And you fail to explain how they're not... Throwing in some blarney of there being a 20-year difference. ROTFLOL... What? Did we change the laws? Nope... We didn't.

Conditions you say?

Fact is... "Conditions" are far more serious... We have massive unemployment and the threat of terrorism and disease.

Donald Trumps stance is that we must build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

No such stance was made by Bill Clinton.

Donald Trump's stance is that we must have a temporary across the board halt on non-citizen muslim entry into this country.

No such stance was made by Bill Clinton.

Two actual, factual, POLICY stances (not even getting into "rhetoric" like the rapists comments) that are clearly different between the two.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

Donald Trumps stance is that we must build a wall and make mexico pay for it.

No such stance was made by Bill Clinton.

Donald Trump's stance is that we must have a temporary across the board halt on non-citizen muslim entry into this country.

No such stance was made by Bill Clinton.

Two actual, factual, POLICY stances (not even getting into "rhetoric" like the rapists comments) that are clearly different between the two.

We are a nation of laws, and in dealing with Reagan over amnesty in 85 or 86... The border was supposed to be secured; like the deal in the 65 or 66.

How does one secure the border? A wall... And as you note... Conditions are different, and this action is totally compatible with Clinton's claims.

As for your case of "conditions change" Part 2... We did not have a terrorist threat from one specific religious group as we do today. Halting immigration of Muslims is the sane thing to do... Demokrats are not sane. This action is 100% in line with "securing our borders".

Then again... We know Demokrats are full of it when it comes to national security. This is the party that votes to send troops to war for political expediency, and then double fists a knife in the backs of our troops when they need their support most. A vile lot these Demokrats... As it doesn't get any lower than that... Or what they did to the troops in Vietnam.

If you want to get into Bill's rape... It was odd NBC... Lisa Myers if I recall did to release the interview with JB until after the vote to remove Clinton from office. They found no holes in the story... She even correctly recalled a building across the street that was demolished. Everyone knows Clinton is a rapist and a sexual predator... Now it's time for Trumo to force the press to report the issue. And this is the start of the destruction of this corrupt to the core duo... It's about time.
 

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Re: Bill Clinton (1996 SOTU)... Donald Trump... Exactly the same on Illegal Immigrati

We are a nation of laws, and in dealing with Reagan over amnesty in 85 or 86... The border was supposed to be secured; like the deal in the 65 or 66.

100% irrelevant as to whether or not Bill Clinton was EXACTLY (your word) the same as Donald Trump on immigration

How does one secure the border? A wall

A wall. Man power. Removing incentives to come. Removing things that help make it possible to stay. Amongst others. A wall is AN option, not the ONLY option, one can mean when stating they wish to "secure the border". Considering you have no evidence that Clinton has ever even uttered a word of support for going the route of a southern wall, suggesting that his stance is EXACTLY the same as Trumps is just wrong.

... And as you note... Conditions are different

Yes, I noted that. I noted that as evidence of why it's ridiculous to attempted to suggest that the two had the EXACT same views on immigration, or implying that somehow Democrats of today should hold the same views as they did in 1996 despite those differing conditions.

and this action is totally compatible with Clinton's claims.

Compatible with and EXACTLY THE SAME are...well...not exactly the same.
 
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