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'Biggest Winners or Losers' of the day thread

TurtleDude said:
If that were true, Trump would be trying to disarm America
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And yet just twelve hours earlier...

TurtleDude said:
Goofy Bernie is a pimp-I trust him even less than Trump on gun issues. I don't trust Trump on gun issues-but I did Trust Hillary. I trusted hillary to try to ban guns as she promised.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
joko104 said:
I never imagined a day when illegal foreign immigrants will have 100% the same representation in the House of Representatives as an American citizen.
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They don't, they do not VOTE!! Only a registered voter can vote and only a US citizen can vote. If they aren't legal citizens they can't vote. Is that clear now? Let me inform you as to why this matters. Trump wants this SO BADLY that now he wants to DELAY taking the 2020 census altogether!

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Immigration advocates worried that the citizenship question could be used to allow states to draw legislative districts based on the number of citizens in a district rather than the number of residents, which would hurt Latinos. Furthermore, they worried, having an official government form in the age of Trump ask people if they were US citizens would make immigrants and their families afraid to return the form — leading to an undercount in the census that made America appear whiter than it really was.
 
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Trump and the GOP won a huge win today by allowing gerrymandering to continue. But that barn door swings both ways and when the democrats control the government once again, the tables are going to turn and this country may not see another republican president for many decades.

As Justice Kagen said in her dissenting letter, this most assuredly undermines democracy in this country.
 
Fledermaus said:
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Exhibit A.

RE: Charlottesville.

"By all means, compare these ****heads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These ****heads to the Nazis'



Exhibit B:

Mike Godwin
‏Verified account @sfmnemonic
Replying to @chrislhayes

Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.

Mike Godwin on Twitter: "Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.… https://t.co/ok3i1P8ot2"





Exhibit C:

By Mike Godwin

First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician.

My Facebook timeline and Twitter feed have been blowing up lately. And whenever that happens, it’s almost always because someone’s making comparisons to Hitler or Nazis or the Holocaust somewhere. Sure enough, as Trump pontificates about immigrants or ethnic or religious minorities, with scarcely less subtlety than certain early 20th-century political aspirants in Europe did, people on the Internet feel compelled to ask me what I think about it.

[continues]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...t-youre-talking-about/?utm_term=.a697c3a04c11





But perhaps you know more about "Godwin's Law" than Godwin.

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azgreg said:
To a point maybe. Anyways, I think that when these new abortion laws get to SCOTUS he'll rule on the side of Roe.
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He said it was settled precedent. the haters so he was lying. We will see
 
Mr Person said:
Exhibit A.

RE: Charlottesville.

"By all means, compare these ****heads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These ****heads to the Nazis'



Exhibit B:

Mike Godwin
‏Verified account @sfmnemonic
Replying to @chrislhayes

Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.

Mike Godwin on Twitter: "Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.… https://t.co/ok3i1P8ot2"





Exhibit C:

By Mike Godwin

First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician.

My Facebook timeline and Twitter feed have been blowing up lately. And whenever that happens, it’s almost always because someone’s making comparisons to Hitler or Nazis or the Holocaust somewhere. Sure enough, as Trump pontificates about immigrants or ethnic or religious minorities, with scarcely less subtlety than certain early 20th-century political aspirants in Europe did, people on the Internet feel compelled to ask me what I think about it.

[continues]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...t-youre-talking-about/?utm_term=.a697c3a04c11





But perhaps you know more about "Godwin's Law" than Godwin.

:roll:
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The Nazi card is intellectual weak and usually hyperbole or ignorance at work.
 
Fledermaus said:
The Nazi card is intellectual weak and usually hyperbole or ignorance at work.
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Not nearly as intellectually weak as actually supporting one and then pretending he's not.
 
Mr Person said:
Exhibit A.

RE: Charlottesville.

"By all means, compare these ****heads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you."

— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

Godwin of Godwin's Law: 'By All Means, Compare These ****heads to the Nazis'



Exhibit B:

Mike Godwin
‏Verified account @sfmnemonic
Replying to @chrislhayes

Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.

Mike Godwin on Twitter: "Chris, I think they're concentration camps. Keep in mind that one of their functions *by design* is to punish those individuals and families who are detained. So even the "charged" term is appropriate.… https://t.co/ok3i1P8ot2"





Exhibit C:

By Mike Godwin

First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician.

My Facebook timeline and Twitter feed have been blowing up lately. And whenever that happens, it’s almost always because someone’s making comparisons to Hitler or Nazis or the Holocaust somewhere. Sure enough, as Trump pontificates about immigrants or ethnic or religious minorities, with scarcely less subtlety than certain early 20th-century political aspirants in Europe did, people on the Internet feel compelled to ask me what I think about it.

[continues]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...t-youre-talking-about/?utm_term=.a697c3a04c11





But perhaps you know more about "Godwin's Law" than Godwin.

:roll:
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lol....Trump is so bad, Godwin reversed his policy. :2rofll:
 
Fledermaus said:
And as if by magic to make my point.....
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Unless someone can belly up to the bar and honestly call them concentration camps, there is no point to be made except spreading propaganda.
 
joko104 said:
I never imagined a day when illegal foreign immigrants will have 100% the same representation in the House of Representatives as an American citizen.
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The last time it was asked in 1950. Keep up.
 
HumblePi said:
They don't, they do not VOTE!! Only a registered voter can vote and only a US citizen can vote. If they aren't legal citizens they can't vote. Is that clear now? Let me inform you as to why this matters. Trump wants this SO BADLY that now he wants to DELAY taking the 2020 census altogether!

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Immigration advocates worried that the citizenship question could be used to allow states to draw legislative districts based on the number of citizens in a district rather than the number of residents, which would hurt Latinos. Furthermore, they worried, having an official government form in the age of Trump ask people if they were US citizens would make immigrants and their families afraid to return the form — leading to an undercount in the census that made America appear whiter than it really was.
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Best eye-roll model EVER.
(Damn she's hot) :lol:

Uhhh YEAH, it's a fact that the total number of illegal alien voters in the entire country could fit in a small soap dish, but Trump official dogma on this has the power of weaponized cow manure, seven hundred million tons per second at a velocity of Mach 2.3.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Dude, just admit it, I got you and I got you BA-A-A-A-A-A-DDDDD. :lamo
It's OK, everyone else knows.
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you're ignorant of the issue. Hillary has a 30 year history of hating gun ownership. She was one of the major cheerleaders for the Clinton gun ban. Trump is not a true gun rights believer-but both his sons are held in high regard by hard core pro rights people I know-who know those men. The Judges Trump listed including a former colleague of mine-6th Circuit Judge Amul Thapar (who I taught how to shoot and helped him pick his first handgun)-are all pro gun jurists.

So given the choice of a hard core gun banner vs a guy who is perhaps ambivalent about gun rights but mentions judges who are good on the issue-there was not a difficult choice.
 
TurtleDude said:
you're ignorant of the issue. Hillary has a 30 year history of hating gun ownership. She was one of the major cheerleaders for the Clinton gun ban. Trump is not a true gun rights believer-but both his sons are held in high regard by hard core pro rights people I know-who know those men. The Judges Trump listed including a former colleague of mine-6th Circuit Judge Amul Thapar (who I taught how to shoot and helped him pick his first handgun)-are all pro gun jurists.

So given the choice of a hard core gun banner vs a guy who is perhaps ambivalent about gun rights but mentions judges who are good on the issue-there was not a difficult choice.
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We're pretty far from where we were a short time ago, that time where I posted two quotes by you twelve hours apart, where you contradicted yourself.
Have a great evening, TD.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
We're pretty far from where we were a short time ago, that time where I posted two quotes by you twelve hours apart, where you contradicted yourself.
Have a great evening, TD.
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your beliefs are not determinative of reality. Trump was a question mark-hillary was awful. I have been consistent on that since day one.
 
HumblePi said:
Wilbur Ross insisted that his decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census had nothing to do with politics and was done solely at the request of the Department of Justice. Democrats on the House Oversight Committee challenged that claim, citing calls, emails and memos to and from Ross showing that he was considering the citizenship question months before the Dept. of Justice made its written request in December 2017. The committee members revealed a series of documents showing that Wilbur Ross engaged in discussions inside and outside his department exploring the citizenship question as early as April 2017.

Wilbur Ross had testified before Congress that his addition of a citizenship question was done "solely" based on the Justice request. So, he lied to Congress. The official administration claim was that the citizenship question is needed to accurately count minorities so Justice Department attorneys can protect their rights through the Voting Rights Act. (YEAH, RIGHT!)

Elijah Cummings said, "I do not know anyone who truly believes that the Trump administration is interested in enhancing the "This administration has done everything in its power to suppress the vote, not to help people exercise their right to vote."

I don't think there's a single person in this country that would have ever imagined that the day to day struggle this country would have is protecting civil rights against an administration hellbent on removing them.
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“the day to day struggle this country would have is protecting civil rights against an administration hellbent on removing them.”


Luckily, we have the Democrats to prevent that from happening.:)
 
HumblePi said:
Since it appears that there's either a clear winner or loser on a daily basis, I thought a thread on this would be helpful. It's hard to keep up with it all.

Supreme Court ruling on the citizenship question on the 2020 census.

Today's loser is Wilbur Ross and the Trump administration. Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce petition the court to add a question to the 2020 US Census. The question is whether or not the person completing the census form is a US citizen. Republicans pushed hard for this to go through the Supreme Court by the end of June claiming that it had no more time to wait to send it to the printers. They got the decision this morning and it's not the one they wanted.

The Supreme Court has blocked Trump's census citizenship question for now and have sent this case back to the lower court. This is a temporary blow to the Trump administration. The Supreme Court voted 5 to 3 to send this case back to a lower court.

Republicans thought this would lower the numbers of minorities counted on the census and therefore reduce the political powers going forth. The idea was to reduce the numbers of people counted that are seen as democratic minority districts. The reason this question was added to the census was an idea of a republican strategist that told the White House that by doing this, they would be able to achieve that political objective. The Supreme Court appears to be saying that the reason this administration wanted this question to be put on the ballot are what they see as a problem and no doubt the problem they see is one of racism.

A US Census is intended to count every man, woman and child permanently residing in the US, not only citizens. If there are any people that haven't received citizenship for whatever reason whether they're just living in the shadows illegally in a particular state, or whether they're DACA individuals or just anyone waiting the required amount of time before they can apply for citizenship, would all be excluded from the count. The under-count of those in the African and Native American community is also prevalent because of the distrust of the government.

This decision, at the moment now, blocks that question on the 2020 census. The census matters because it determines how many seats a party has in Congress and also determines the allocation of political power in America. The SC literally said that the Trump administration has to come up with a real reason to add the question to the census and not merely a political one.

Justice Roberts has once more proven that he is an institutionalist and he is upholding the balance of power.
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The American people are the biggest loser of the day based on this decision. Blurring the line between legal citizen/immigrant and illegals deprives the first groups rights. Reapportioning Congressional districts based on counting illegals is just one more step on the road to turning America into a banana republic. Answering one question amongst dozens on an anonymous form endangers no one and deprives no one of any legal right or entitlement.
 
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