Biggest threat to our environment (1 Viewer)

[Winston]

The arrogance of some to think humans control climate.

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

 

[Lord of Planar]

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

I don't know anyone who thinks that.

 

[longview]

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

There is a large difference between the effect and control.

 

[bubbabgone]

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

Does "control" and "effect" have the same meaning in your world?

 

[flogger]

Capitalism is one of the biggest risk factors to a safe and clean environment. Do you remember when we had rivers that caught fire? Capitalists caused that.

So what demonstrably superior system of government would you replace it with ?

 

[poppopfox]

So what demonstrably superior system of government would you replace it with ?

It's not an either/or world my friend. There are compromises in between the two extremes. the US is a good example.

 

[flogger]

It's not an either/or world my friend. There are compromises in between the two extremes. the US is a good example.

You either embrace a particular political creed or you reject it and replace it with something demonstrably better

Its a bit like religion in that respect in that there are no half measures

 

[Lord of Planar]

Capitalism is one of the biggest risk factors to a safe and clean environment.

It has its problems, but it is better than any other system.

Do you remember when we had rivers that caught fire? Capitalists caused that.

Bullshit. It was not because of capitalism. It was because of people doing what people do. Take advantage of law and situations present. It does not matter why system we have, there will always be bad people.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Don’t know. We aren’t communist. We are capitalist. Why would we be worried about communism here?

Should not complain about us until you have a greater understanding of the world.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You statement was that "Capitalism is one of the biggest risk factors to a safe and clean environment.".
What is the alternative to capitalism, that would be better for the Environment?

His indoctrination is showing. He unzips his pants for everyone to see.

 

[flogger]

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

Byproducts eh ?

Well back in 1800 95% of the planet lived in abject poverty now thanks to industrialization that figure is 7% and on average we live 25 years longer

The planet is also greener than ever today thanks to higher CO2 levels leading to greater crop yields and longer growing seasons so its doing just fine .

Vastly fewer now die from cold (which is a far greater killer than heat) and from weather and climate related events ,so industrialization has certainly had a very positive effect on humanity.

 

[Eriech]

Arrogance is thinking the byproducts of the Industrial Revolution had zero effect on the planet

Arrogance is believing that the byproducts of green energy have a zero effect on the planet.

 

[flogger]

Arrogance is believing that the byproducts of green energy have a zero effect on the planet.

In order to produce 1 GW of power renewables require 200 times the geographical footprint that fossil fuels do. Thats not very environmentally friendly to me especially where land use is at a premium like in the here in UK where large tracts of arable farmland will have to be surrendered in order to indulge this taxpayer funded fantasy

 

[ralfy]

The biggest threat is probably "our".

 

[LouC]

What is the biggest threat to the environment?

MAGATS

And like minded folks, worldwide.

Oh, I voted "OTHER".

 

[multivita-man]

What is the biggest threat to the environment?

I initially selected overpopulation, but it's more than that: it's really our external energy consumption. We're the only species (that I can think of anyway) that consumers/metabolizes energy outside its own body. If we numbered in around 500 million or even a billion globally but our biggest environmental impact was limited to clear cutting forests by hand, that would still have an adverse environmental impact for many species, but global ecology, for the most part, would probably manage to sustain us indefinitely. But that's not the case.

 

[Hari Seldon]

What is the biggest threat to the environment?

Ignorant cons.

 

[multivita-man]

Ignorant cons.

It's not just cons, though; it's all of us. It's what we all do every day. We consume energy, and that requires environmental destruction. We keep finding ways to become more efficient at doing things, which requires even more energy and more environmental destruction.

 

[The AntiDonald]

There is not much debate that we need to regulate actual pollution.
The grey area comes in with things like CO2, it causes plants to grow better, and the negatives have not been validated.

Except there are not enough plants left to absorb all the CO2. So instead, it is being absorbed by our oceans and our atmosphere. It's totally unnatural. We know for a fact that it causes acidification of the oceans. We can debate what it's doing to the atmosphere, but we can't say it's normal.

 

[Hari Seldon]

It's not just cons, though; it's all of us. It's what we all do every day. We consume energy, and that requires environmental destruction. We keep finding ways to become more efficient at doing things, which requires even more energy and more environmental destruction.

There is a difference between consumption and environmental destruction. The ones that ignore there is even a problem are the problem. Recycling, renewable and technology will overcome. Or not.

 

[multivita-man]

There is a difference between consumption and environmental destruction.

There is not. They are inextricably tied to each other.

The ones that ignore there is even a problem are the problem. Recycling, renewable and technology will overcome. Or not.

Recycling is a joke - maybe 5-10% of plastic gets recycled. Renewables won't overcome; they will simply expand our demand for energy because we will do more things with the added energy that we add to the grid. That is what economic expansion is.

 

[flogger]

There is a difference between consumption and environmental destruction. The ones that ignore there is even a problem are the problem. Recycling, renewable and technology will overcome. Or not.

In my view environmental extremism a far the biggest problem we currently face , especially here in Europe where the lunatics have effectively taken over the asylum !

 

[longview]

Except there are not enough plants left to absorb all the CO2. So instead, it is being absorbed by our oceans and our atmosphere. It's totally unnatural. We know for a fact that it causes acidification of the oceans. We can debate what it's doing to the atmosphere, but we can't say it's normal.

You are correct, human activity appears to be increasing the CO2 level, what that means is highly subjective, but ph levels are decreasing.
The question is are those levels of concern?

 

[Lord of Planar]

You are correct, human activity appears to be increasing the CO2 level, what that means is highly subjective, but ph levels are decreasing.
The question is are those levels of concern?

I have seen a paper one time that had a history of ocean pH in a few places tested. The ocean pH was at it's lowest in the 50's, and notice they never show us a history of ocean pH since industrialization.

The ocean self-buffers to CO2, and other factor play a role in pH too.

 

[iguanaman]

Capitalism and the wealth that it creates is largely responsible for our ability to have clean air and water. That China, India and other developing countries are exempted or largely excused from the US standard is evidence that wealth creates cleaner air and water while poverty pollutes.
The green scam is an assault on capitalism by forcing technologies that do not work at the expense of those that do. Massive solar farms are covering farmland and gutted forest land. Wind turbines are polluting our skylines and oceans. All while creating a massive and toxic waste stream with little discernible benefit only to virtue signal.

China has the most green energy of any country. They are not "exempted' in any way either.

HOW BIG IS RENEWABLE POWER IN CHINA?​

China has been the world's largest and fastest-growing producer of renewable power for more than a decade, and its lead has widened with an acceleration of solar and wind power capacity in recent years.
The country will build as much new solar capacity this year as the total installed capacity in the U.S., according to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainabil...hind-chinas-renewable-energy-boom-2023-11-15/