Bidens unified coalition against Putin

[Crakhobarbie]

I support cutting Russia off from every revenue stream and then we'll work through whatever that brings.

What I don't support is paying dictators, tyrants, and murderers for anything. Apparently you have reasons to keep them afloat.

Essentially it's the same argument for paying terrorists, kidnappers, and hackers. I don't buy in.

Well, you may be surprised to know that I agree with you here. It's going to hurt, but I do not think we need to be supporting the Russian war machine in any way. But I do not want to hear the MAGA miscreants spouting their typical Biden bashing when gas prices increase further if we do cut off Russian oil.

 

[Buckeyes85]

What proof do you have that supports your misguided opinion? Not your moronic conjecture and speculation, but actual, viable proof that what your claiming isn't garbage.

Bump.
Because I would love to see an answer to this question.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

We have plenty of oil right here in the USA.

Hold on...
Are you saying you believe that America has so much oil here at home that we have no need to buy from other countries? Wow.... You really have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Schism]

Hold on...
Are you saying you believe that America has so much oil here at home that we have no need to buy from other countries? Wow.... You really have no idea what your talking about.

We certainly have enough to replace our imports from the monster Putin.

The real question is why you're defending paying the guy killing Ukrainians?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The real question is why you're defending paying the guy killing Ukrainians?

Oh my... More random assumptions and speculation that you see as gospel. Please do show me where I've defended Vlad. You have me confused with your cult master who called Vlad a genius and savvy. That's your demigod. Aren't you proud?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Thanks, I'm well aware of these reports and they all show how the USA has been working hand in hand with other NATO countries to sanction Putin......yet nothing on the "narrative" being touted by the left that namely "Biden" is the one leading and bringing together a coalition to go after Putin with sanctions, as if it would never of happened except for Joe Biden......

I see the USA working together with other nations, as we should and are to sanction Putin and Russia for the invasion of Ukraine. I haven't seen anything that supports the latest narrative that is all because of Joe Biden.

You are saying that when NATO is taking steps to rein in Putin, the President of the United States, the leader of the world's lone superpower, is just a part of the chorus.

You don't have much respect for the United States. Are you an American?

You are a conservative. Do you support Trump?

 

[Schism]

Oh my... More random assumptions and speculation that you see as gospel. Please do show me where I've defended Vlad. You have me confused with your cult master who called Vlad a genius and savvy. That's your demigod. Aren't you proud?

Oh my... More random assumptions and speculation that you see as gospel.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Russia defaulting on its bonds would be catastrophic -- for Russia that is. According to experts, it is entirely possible.

CNN explains, "Russia’s stock market remains shut down. The ruble is worth less than a penny. And Western businesses are fleeing. JPMorgan warns a Russian default could be next."

“Sanctions imposed on Russia have significantly increased the likelihood of a Russia government hard currency bond default,” JPMorgan emerging markets strategists wrote in a note to clients on Wednesday.

CNN continued, "Russia may have the cash to make its debt payments. The Central Bank of Russia lists a staggering $643 billion of international reserves. However, JPMorgan said sanctions leveled by the United States on Russian government entities, countermeasures within Russia to restrict foreign payments and the disruption of payment chains “present high hurdles for Russia to make a bond payment abroad.”

"Sanctions on Russia’s central bank and the ousting of Russian banks from SWIFT will impact Russia’s ability to access foreign currency to pay down debt, according to Capital Economics. That includes Russia’s stockpile of reserves as well as cash from export revenue."

What does Putin hope to gain by invading Ukraine? Whatever it is, Russia will pay a very steep price.

Perhaps some in Russia are pondering if it is worth it.

A Pyrrhic victory is a victory that is not worth winning because so much is lost to achieve it.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

One has to wonder how the Russian people and -- more importantly -- the movers and shakers of the tiny Russian economy -- the oligarchs -- feel about their country becoming the world's pariah.

Forbes estimates that Russian billionaires have lost more than $126 billion in wealth since February 16.

That was as of Monday. No doubt there is a few billion more today.

The newspaper editorial demanded President Vladimir Putin “stop this war.”

"As Russian forces pound Ukraine’s cities, the sentiments might not be surprising. Their source is — they come from rich Russians, including billionaires close to the Kremlin," ABC reported.

ABC continued, "Russia’s war on Ukraine has sent shockwaves through the global community of wealthy Russians, who face sanctions that threaten their London mansions, Mediterranean yachts and children’s places at elite European private schools.

"Some have begun, albeit tentatively, to speak out — though it may be too little to end the war, or to protect their Western fortunes."

President Joe Biden told oligarchs in Tuesday’s State of the Union address that “we are joining with our European allies to find and seize your yachts, your luxury apartments, your private jets. We are coming for you."

“President Putin, please stop this war,” ran the headline, beside a photo of a young Ukrainian girl killed by shelling. "As a Russian citizen I plead with you to stop Russians killing their Ukrainian brothers and sisters. I ask you to save Europe from war,” wrote Lebedev, who is the son of oligarch and former KGB agent Alexander Lebedev.

According to ABC, "Three other Russian business tycoons — metals magnate Oleg Deripaska, Alfa Bank founder Mikhail Fridman and banker Oleg Tinkov — also urged an end to the war."

On another front, Reuters reports, "Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday that if a third World War were to take place, it would involve nuclear weapons and be destructive, the RIA (Russian state) news agency reported.

Lavrov said that Russia, which launched what it calls a special military operation against Ukraine last week, would face a "real danger" if Kyiv acquired nuclear weapons.

That is very funny -- funny and tragic at the same time. It is hard to believe that the foreign minister of a major power would say thing. Furthermore, it is hard to believe that same foreign minister would lie to the entire world to justify making such a bizarre statement.

This leaves little doubt in the minds of most that Russia's leadership is losing it. In their world truth is an unwanted commodity.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Oh my... More random assumptions and speculation that you see as gospel.

Now you've been reduced to just repeating what I say. That comes off as extremely infantile.

 

[redbeer]

Why do you need it proven to you?

You despise Biden. You wouldn't believe him no matter what.

We have a very unified coalition. In the old days, before people hated the USA, normal people would applaud this.

Lol, I desire Biden do what is good and right for the country.....do his job, that's all. He has proven time and again, that is not his goal or objectives since the inauguration. Under the Biden administration, the USA has lost all credibility in the world. Putin thinks we're a joke, fears nothing from Biden......China is next.....then Iran.....the guy is selling us out, one by one.

Purposefully administering actions to raise the price of gas and oil for Americans to shove the Green New Deal down our throats, because it couldn't get passed in Congress.....so it's their way or the highway.....that is NOT America. Forcing Americans to buy electric cars, windmills, and solar panels.......over priced commodities to make rich and bolster his comrades, pushing the narrative, that we have to, or else.....fear tactics to the nth degree.

Even.....EVEN after Putin invades Ukraine, Biden refuses to cease buying gas and oil from Russia, instead sides with Putin by funding his war on Ukrainians....sickening, to say the least. We have the means and capability to be energy independent and also, to help our allies be free from Russia threats.....this would greatly help our economy and ease the threat off our allies.....but he refuses, him and the left, simply because of their hatred of Trump, for once they decide to open up oil and gas drilling, it would make them look like the yahoo's they are.....and we can't have that, can we?......so, the hell with the Ukranian people, the American economy......****'em, they say....burn baby burn. This will end bad, very bad for the USA.....able, plenty able to help, but decided to help Putin, instead, buying his oil, supporting his war efforts.....it's unbelievable.

Oh, they say, there's a reason, "the brilliance of Biden" has it under control, as Pelosi swoons. Then, Biden, stand up like a man.....state your reasons.....else cower down to those who control your actions, repeat what they tell you, and walk away not answering questions......we know his choice.

 

[Greenbeard]

Lol, I desire Biden do what is good and right for the country.....do his job, that's all. He has proven time and again, that is not his goal or objectives since the inauguration. Under the Biden administration, the USA has lost all credibility in the world. Putin thinks we're a joke, fears nothing from Biden......China is next.....then Iran.....the guy is selling us out, one by one.

Biden’s the first President to make Putin cry.

Putin is said to be furious about Western sanctions and intel officials fear he may target Ukrainian civilians as revenge, report says

Western intelligence officials are reportedly urgently debating how Vladimir Putin might respond to a wave of punishing sanctions enacted by the West.

www.businessinsider.com

Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war

President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.

www.reuters.com

 

[jnug]

Lol, I desire Biden do what is good and right for the country.....do his job, that's all. He has proven time and again, that is not his goal or objectives since the inauguration. Under the Biden administration, the USA has lost all credibility in the world. Putin thinks we're a joke, fears nothing from Biden......China is next.....then Iran.....the guy is selling us out, one by one.

Purposefully administering actions to raise the price of gas and oil for Americans to shove the Green New Deal down our throats, because it couldn't get passed in Congress.....so it's their way or the highway.....that is NOT America. Forcing Americans to buy electric cars, windmills, and solar panels.......over priced commodities to make rich and bolster his comrades, pushing the narrative, that we have to, or else.....fear tactics to the nth degree.

Even.....EVEN after Putin invades Ukraine, Biden refuses to cease buying gas and oil from Russia, instead sides with Putin by funding his war on Ukrainians....sickening, to say the least. We have the means and capability to be energy independent and also, to help our allies be free from Russia threats.....this would greatly help our economy and ease the threat off our allies.....but he refuses, him and the left, simply because of their hatred of Trump, for once they decide to open up oil and gas drilling, it would make them look like the yahoo's they are.....and we can't have that, can we?......so, the hell with the Ukranian people, the American economy......****'em, they say....burn baby burn. This will end bad, very bad for the USA.....able, plenty able to help, but decided to help Putin, instead, buying his oil, supporting his war efforts.....it's unbelievable.

Oh, they say, there's a reason, "the brilliance of Biden" has it under control, as Pelosi swoons. Then, Biden, stand up like a man.....state your reasons.....else cower down to those who control your actions, repeat what they tell you, and walk away not answering questions......we know his choice.

We lost credibility under Bush 43, Obama and finally the Grand Poobah of American Credibility destroyers....Donald Trump. If Putin thinks we are a joke, blame those three. The worst three Presidents in Modern history, each worse than his predecessor and all in a row.

 

[redbeer]

So you support cutting off Russian petrol even though has prices would spiral out of Control?

Yes, do not buy Russia oil, while they are attacking the Ukrainian people.....then open up our gas and oil drilling again. It will eventually lower our costs and help our allies and cut off Putin from his ill got and gains.

 

[redbeer]

After listening to Biden's State of the Union, and listening to quite a few interviews from politicians, military experts, citizens in the US and abroad and particularly in Ukraine, I've come to believe the world democracies are willing to see Ukraine sacrificed to keep themselves out of a possible war with Russia. As horrible as a war may become, it's not as bad as sacrificing a free nation and it's people to a brutal dictators whim.
The lack of using full sanctions to try to end this war waged by Russia upon Ukraine is unacceptable. It the nations of the free world don't want to fight a way, that's understandable, but the consequences may be far worse. The free world found that out in 1939 - 1945. A true economic sanction against Putin's ability to sell oil and natural gas would cripple his economy like nothing else we can do.
Don't sacrifice the Ukrainian people when you haven't been willing to do all that is possible.

Yes, I agree.....sometimes in life, they leave you no choice....it's paramount to doing the right and honorable thing. Doing nothing or semi looking like you are doing something to appease the guilt is not enough, the consequences will be far worse in the future, and basically how can we sit back and watch people die.

 

[redbeer]

I am all for cutting off Russian oil to the US. That would reduce Russian income from oil by less than 3%. Not much pain in that. Hopefully Europe can cut off the Russian oil and gas. They buy way more than we do.

We can open up drilling here in the USA and supply it to them, increasing our economy and helping our allies.....it's not hard.

 

[redbeer]

Biden’s the first President to make Putin cry.

Putin is said to be furious about Western sanctions and intel officials fear he may target Ukrainian civilians as revenge, report says

Western intelligence officials are reportedly urgently debating how Vladimir Putin might respond to a wave of punishing sanctions enacted by the West.

www.businessinsider.com

Putin says Western sanctions are akin to declaration of war

President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that Western sanctions on Russia were akin to a declaration of war and warned that any attempt to impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine would lead to catastrophic consequences for the world.

www.reuters.com

Yeah, right and to believe that would be idiocy......fyi, the guy is blowing the shite out of Ukraine, today.....it's done nothing to stop him. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are pleading for help and assistance and where is the world?....NATO?.....the USA? I don't see them anywhere near Ukraine.....Putin has them scared running, peeing in their panties......is there a democrat with a set, other than Biden, for he is not stepping up?

 

[jnug]

We can open up drilling here in the USA and supply it to them, increasing our economy and helping our allies.....it's not hard.

We don't finish the wells we have already drilled.

 

[redbeer]

We lost credibility under Bush 43, Obama and finally the Grand Poobah of American Credibility destroyers....Donald Trump. If Putin thinks we are a joke, blame those three. The worst three Presidents in Modern history, each worse than his predecessor and all in a row.

Turn a blind eye when it comes to Biden, huh? I don't expect anybody to be perfect, but Biden is the worst in my lifetime, by far.

 

[Greenbeard]

Yeah, right and to believe that would be idiocy......fyi, the guy is blowing the shite out of Ukraine, today.....it's done nothing to stop him. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are pleading for help and assistance and where is the world?....NATO?.....the USA? I don't see them anywhere near Ukraine.....Putin has them scared running, peeing in their panties......is there a democrat with a set, other than Biden, for he is not stepping up?

We’re not getting into a hot war, Boris. We’ll just bleed Vlad until he’s merely king of the pile of permafrost he rules. Enjoy your sno-cones.

 

[redbeer]

We’re not getting into a hot war, Boris. We’ll just bleed Vlad until he’s merely king of the pile of permafrost he rules. Enjoy your sno-cones.

We don't have to.....but we can do more, lot's more to help the Ukrainian people, instead of letting them die.

 

[jnug]

We don't have to.....but we can do more, lot's more to help the Ukrainian people, instead of letting them die.

I do not believe there should be gaps in the supply lines to Ukraine and I also believe we should supply them mobile ground to air missile launch platforms, missiles and planes.

 

[redbeer]

I do not believe there should be gaps in the supply lines to Ukraine and I also believe we should supply them mobile ground to air missile launch platforms, missiles and planes.

Spread the news to the Biden administration.....I think they missed the memo.

 

[jnug]

Spread the news to the Biden administration.....I think they missed the memo.

Biden administration likely has gotten the message.

The reason why much of what has been sent to Ukraine has been point and shoot type weapons is because they require little to no training to use. Point and shoot. Plains will have to be former eastern bloc planes as Ukraines pilots will not be able to train up on NATO planes fast enough. I doubt they could even use NATO mobile surface to air missile munitions without considerable training. Those likely need to be former eastern bloc munitions as well. So we know what that means as far as the countries that have to step up. We likely need to convince them that their offered munitions will be backfilled with NATO stuff and the training to use it.

That said, anything that is point and shoot, helmets, battle armor whatever should be flowing in a steady stream and backfilled from the US.

 

[jnug]

Now here is what drives me stark raving crazy and what is different from 20th century conventional warfare. Zelensky talks to some group of Senators and Congresspeople today. Then talks to Biden about fighter aircraft coming from Poland and its slashed all over the news just about immediately. This is no way to RUN A WAR!!!!! Shut the fugg up already.

The first Vlad should know about eastern bloc planes sent to Ukraine is when they are buzzing over his army AND NOT BEFORE!!!!