Biden's 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' narrative falls apart as omicron cases skyrocket

[Conservative]

Biden isn't a good President, just happens to be a bit better than Trump. Which is no real feat.

Do you acknowledge the Trump results and failures?

So you claim, so why aren't you posting data to support that claim?

I voted for Trump based upon policies not personality. Trump did no harm to me or my family at all. I did not have to pay higher prices for Biden incompetence at the pumps, or run the risk in TX of being exposed to the costs of illegal entry into this country. I did benefit from the massive infrastructure spending by my state on highways and bridges. I have posted the Trump results only to be ignored, they are bea.gov(Treasury), BLS.gov(employment), census.gov(poverty homeless) Sorry MSNBC isn't a reliable non partisan source

 

[Hughinn]

Trump was a shitty President and his Cult attacked Congress because they bought his "election fraud" lie.

Who is pushing resistance to vaccines more?

By your same logic, the democrat party cult is responsible for the most destructive riots in 50 years.

And Kamala Harris and Joe Biden told lies along with most DNC propoganda networks to incite the violence in Kenosha that led to the Rittenhouse shootings.

By your logic

 

[Conservative]

Their uninformed citizens that were being influenced by politicians and political pundits. It was based on politics.

So now you are claiming to be an expert on policies and what is best for others? where did you develop this incredible skill that you believe you have. I quite frankly don't see it and have more years of experience thus credibility

 

[Hughinn]

Yeah, the plan hinged on Americans doing the right thing, getting the vaccine voluntarily.

No it didn't.
Because joe Biden said he would never mandate vaccine's.

Knowing full well many people would refuse and should have the right

 

[Ikari]

So you claim, so why aren't you posting data to support that claim?

I voted for Trump based upon policies not personality. Trump did no harm to me or my family at all. I did not have to pay higher prices for Biden incompetence at the pumps, or run the risk in TX of being exposed to the costs of illegal entry into this country. I did benefit from the massive infrastructure spending by my state on highways and bridges. I have posted the Trump results only to be ignored, they are bea.gov(Treasury), BLS.gov(employment), census.gov(poverty homeless) Sorry MSNBC isn't a reliable non partisan source

Gas prices are coming down and a result of global markets more than Biden's policies. We had to issue multiple farm bailouts from Trump's failed trade war with China, he set us back in the international arena. The best thing he did was ride an improving economy he inherited until it was crashed by Covid and he couldn't handle the Covid response reasonably. And then when he lost, he went on a rampage about stolen elections until we got an actual attack on Congress because of it.

 

[Hughinn]

Their uninformed citizens that were being influenced by politicians and political pundits. It was based on politics.

You're being very arrogant in your assumption that because they disagree with you, that they're "uninformed".

Where do you get this idea that because someone else doesn't share your views that they're "misinformed" but you're not?

It's very peculiar.

Maybe, it's just possible they have all the facts, and just came to a different conclusion. Did you ever consider that?

 

[Ikari]

By your same logic, the democrat party cult is responsible for the most destructive riots in 50 years.

And Kamala Harris and Joe Biden told lies along with most DNC propoganda networks to incite the violence in Kenosha that led to the Rittenhouse shootings.

By your logic

Let's see this, and it should be more than 2 or 3 people spouting this.

 

[Conservative]

Well for one my husband got vaccinated due to the mandate. That is a huge thing.

What mandate? I got the vaccine on January 6, 2021 without a mandate and without the President telling me what to do.

My state decided to open on its own with still having masking in place. It had nothing to do with Trump or Biden.

Great as did mine as it isn't the President's responsibility or authority to tell a state what to do

Trump harmed the working class, allowing businesses to take advantage of them and keeping wages stagnant. He upped and even encouraged our dependence on fossil fuels rather than working towards renewables, nuclear. He didn't care two bits about either our healthcare or the environment.

Really? how did Trump do that since states have minimum wage authority? You continue to prove how civics challenged you are and totally clueless of state and local responsibilities.

So you telling me now the left supports nuclear? you are all over the board ignoring the Constitution which limits the federal gov't, better take a civics class

 

[Conservative]

Gas prices are coming down and a result of global markets more than Biden's policies. We had to issue multiple farm bailouts from Trump's failed trade war with China, he set us back in the international arena. The best thing he did was ride an improving economy he inherited until it was crashed by Covid and he couldn't handle the Covid response reasonably. And then when he lost, he went on a rampage about stolen elections until we got an actual attack on Congress because of it.

Right, closing down the Keystone pipeline and selling gasoline to China and India helped the poor in this country. You going to tell us why the Biden poll numbers are so low? Apparently the people don't see the same results you see.

AS I have posted and ignored, what are the economic numbers in red states vs. blue states? You bought the liberal rhetoric on the covid blame game totally ignoring the Biden campaign promises that are a failure.

Biden is in office and we have a year of his results, the poll numbers are in, why so low?

 

[roguenuke]

You're being very arrogant in your assumption that because they disagree with you, that they're "uninformed".

Where do you get this idea that because someone else doesn't share your views that they're "misinformed" but you're not?

It's very peculiar.

Maybe, it's just possible they have all the facts, and just came to a different conclusion. Did you ever consider that?

I can be arrogant when I know I'm right.

 

[Hughinn]

Gas prices are coming down and a result of global markets more than Biden's policies. We had to issue multiple farm bailouts from Trump's failed trade war with China, he set us back in the international arena. The best thing he did was ride an improving economy he inherited until it was crashed by Covid and he couldn't handle the Covid response reasonably. And then when he lost, he went on a rampage about stolen elections until we got an actual attack on Congress because of it.

Again I gotta ask the question you two refuse to answer.

Aside from "mean tweets" and "orange man bad" comments, tell us all what actions or measures had Joe Biden taken in response to covid, that Trump did not already have in place?

 

[roguenuke]

So now you are claiming to be an expert on policies and what is best for others? where did you develop this incredible skill that you believe you have. I quite frankly don't see it and have more years of experience thus credibility

LMAO that you think that about your credibility.

 

[Conservative]

I can be arrogant when I know I'm right.

No, you can be arrogant when you believe you are right but immature when proven wrong and still making that claim

 

[roguenuke]

Again I gotta ask the question you two refuse to answer.

Aside from "mean tweets" and "orange man bad" comments, tell us all what actions or measures had Joe Biden taken in response to covid, that Trump did not already have in place?

Vaccine mandates. Vaccine distribution planning is much better. Coordination for response is better. President Bide actually does a much better job at following the protocols and recommendations that the CDC has put out, including not having large events, rallies.

 

[Hughinn]

I can be arrogant when I know I'm right.

BOOM THERE IT IS.

 

[Ikari]

Right, closing down the Keystone pipeline and selling gasoline to China and India helped the poor in this country. You going to tell us why the Biden poll numbers are so low? Apparently the people don't see the same results you see.

AS I have posted and ignored, what are the economic numbers in red states vs. blue states? You bought the liberal rhetoric on the covid blame game totally ignoring the Biden campaign promises that are a failure.

Biden is in office and we have a year of his results, the poll numbers are in, why so low?

That pipeline wasn't completed yet and they opened another pipeline that was previously closed. Demand returned as we emerged from Covid and OPEC did not increase production, along with the global shipping crisis.

You bought the conservative rhetoric to blame Biden but ignore the global pandemic and economy to do so.

Biden's numbers may be low, but are still above Trump's. So apparently people don't see the same results you see.

 

[Conservative]

LMAO that you think that about your credibility.

I back up my statements with facts, something that apparently you don't comprehend. You always place blame like Trump on minimum wage when your state has that authority. You blamed Trump on issues that the Constitution prevents a President from doing but still no apology for the lies and misstatements. Proving your claim is something you don't do as talk is cheap but actions just not there

 

[ClaraD]

This isn't necessarily true. It seems to be a localized issue.

For example...

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Researchers studied COVID cases at the Houston Methodist healthcare system and identified 862 people with symptomatic omicron infections from late Nov. to Dec. 18, 2021. The study, published Sunday, reported that early signs show more people are getting infected with omicron despite being vaccinated. Patients with the new variant are "significantly less likely to be hospitalized," and the disease is less severe overall.​

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Of the patients with omicron, 430 of them had been vaccinated, and researchers state that compared to patients with other variants, omicron caused "a significantly greater percentage" of breakthrough cases.​

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Additionally, according to the study, nearly 9.9% of omicron patients had received a COVID booster.​

Nearly half of omicron patients in Houston hospitals were vaccinated, according to new study

Omicron caused more breakthrough cases than Alpha or Delta in the study.

justthenews.com

Patients with the new variant are "significantly less likely to be hospitalized," and the disease is less severe overall.
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Additionally, according to the study, nearly 9.9% of omicron patients had received a COVID booster

So, somehow that translated to equal amounts of vaccinated being hospitalized, in your brain? Since when is 9.9% not much less fully vaccinated folks being hospitalized?

 

[Ikari]

Again I gotta ask the question you two refuse to answer.

Aside from "mean tweets" and "orange man bad" comments, tell us all what actions or measures had Joe Biden taken in response to covid, that Trump did not already have in place?

He has actively tried to get people vaccinated and refrained from stirring shit up like Trump had.

Any more deflections? Since you apparently believe riling people up is akin to calming them down.

 

[Conservative]

That pipeline wasn't completed yet and they opened another pipeline that was previously closed. Demand returned as we emerged from Covid and OPEC did not increase production, along with the global shipping crisis.

You bought the conservative rhetoric to blame Biden but ignore the global pandemic and economy to do so.

Biden's numbers may be low, but are still above Trump's. So apparently people don't see the same results you see.

No it wasn't now answer the question what economic policies has Biden implemented that Trump didn't have in place? I didn't ignore the pandemic results, you did blaming those results on Trump ignoring the actual Trump economic policy results.

No Biden's numbers aren't above the results Trump generated from policies, they are above what the Congress gave him when he took office due to what was claimed as an attempt to stop the spread of the virus. I am waiting for the policy results and actual policies that Biden has implemented to generate results you claim were successful. Doesn't appear the majority in this country believe your rhetoric

 

[Hughinn]

Vaccine mandates. Vaccine distribution planning is much better. Coordination for response is better. President Bide actually does a much better job at following the protocols and recommendations that the CDC has put out, including not having large events, rallies.

Last I checked, large events and rallies were still going on. Remember God king Obama and birthday bash?

Joe Biden had many instances of being maskless in large crowds.

In what ways has Joe Biden changed anything in coordination and response? We currently have a test shortage, is that his fault?

What CDC recommendations does Joe Biden follow that Trump did not?

 

[Conservative]

He has actively tried to get people vaccinated and refrained from stirring shit up like Trump had.

Any more deflections? Since you apparently believe riling people up is akin to calming them down.

I got my first shot on January 6, 2021, should I thank Biden?

 

[Hughinn]

He has actively tried to get people vaccinated and refrained from stirring shit up like Trump had.

Any more deflections? Since you apparently believe riling people up is akin to calming them down.

Donald Trump encouraged vaccinations as well.

And we've already covered the "mean tweets"

What actions has Joe Biden taken in response to covid measures that Donald Trump did not?

You've made the claim. Support it with something better than "mean tweets"

 

[Ikari]

No it wasn't now answer the question what economic policies has Biden implemented that Trump didn't have in place? I didn't ignore the pandemic results, you did blaming those results on Trump ignoring the actual Trump economic policy results.

No Biden's numbers aren't above the results Trump generated from policies, they are above what the Congress gave him when he took office due to what was claimed as an attempt to stop the spread of the virus. I am waiting for the policy results and actual policies that Biden has implemented to generate results you claim were successful. Doesn't appear the majority in this country believe your rhetoric

Biden is at 43.1%, this same time in his Presidency Trump was at 38.8%. so nice try, but no cigar.

So it seems that even more people didn't believe your rhetoric.

 

[Conservative]

W

Vaccine mandates. Vaccine distribution planning is much better. Coordination for response is better. President Bide actually does a much better job at following the protocols and recommendations that the CDC has put out, including not having large events, rallies

Again, you going to tell me that I should thank Biden for the vaccine that I got on January 6, 2021? you really that biased and poorly informed?