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Biden's health care plan

Where have we heard this before?

The middle class might as well grab their favorite lube and bend over right now................ just for the practice

If Biden's plan were to become law, millions of middle class families would get premium and deductible relief.

Yeah, having your employer pay half your insurance bill is really a bad idea, better to pay it all yourself.

Employers are paying for it with your money. That's your compensation, just funneled into health benefits.

I’m not talking about retirees. You are. I was talking about employer provided health care. There is a decline in employer provided health care benefits and that’s a direct result of the ACA.

Per CMS, when the ACA passed in 2010 167.4 million people had employer-sponsored coverage. By 2018 (the most recent year for which their data is available) that number had grown to 175.2 million.
 
If Biden's plan were to become law, millions of middle class families would get premium and deductible relief.



Employers are paying for it with your money. That's your compensation, just funneled into health benefits.



Per CMS, when the ACA passed in 2010 167.4 million people had employer-sponsored coverage. By 2018 (the most recent year for which their data is available) that number had grown to 175.2 million.
Who’s going to pay for it? Money picked from the magic trees? I can see Biden now out on the campaign trail.... “on my first day in office, I will order the agriculture department to plant the magic trees where all the money grow.
 
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If Biden's plan were to become law, millions of middle class families would get premium and deductible relief.



Employers are paying for it with your money. That's your compensation, just funneled into health benefits.



Per CMS, when the ACA passed in 2010 167.4 million people had employer-sponsored coverage. By 2018 (the most recent year for which their data is available) that number had grown to 175.2 million.

Don't they just hate it when facts get in the way of their factless partisan claims? My son's employer got insurance for his employees because of the ACA. He couldn't afford it before.
 
The just stop responding.

So how about you giving us sources for your claims? There 3 different sources in recent posts showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Why should anyone believe you?


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So how about you giving us sources for your claims? There 3 different sources in recent posts showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Why should anyone believe you?


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What specifically do you disagree with?
 
Don't they just hate it when facts get in the way of their factless partisan claims? My son's employer got insurance for his employees because of the ACA. He couldn't afford it before.

Again, who’s going to pay for it? Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, George Sorros and Warren Buffett?
 
Who’s going to pay for it? Money picked from the magic trees? I can see Biden now out on the campaign trail.... “on my first day in office, I will order the agriculture department to plant the magic trees where all the money grow.

Trump is the one who believes in magic and miracles:

Trump says coronavirus will ?miraculously? be gone by April ?once the weather warms up? - YouTube

Biden is specific about funding:

SUPPORTING HEALTH, NOT REWARDING WEALTH
Joe Biden believes in rewarding work, not just wealth – and investing in hard-working Americans’ health, not protecting the most privileged Americans’ wealth. Warren Buffett said it best when he stated that he should not pay a lower tax rate than his secretary.
The Biden Plan will make health care a right by getting rid of capital gains tax loopholes for the super wealthy. Today, the very wealthy pay a tax rate of just 20% on long-term capital gains. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, the capital gains and dividends exclusion is the second largest tax expenditure in the entire tax code: $127 billion in fiscal year 2019 alone. As President, Biden will roll back the Trump rate cut for the very wealthy and restore the 39.6% top rate he helped restore when he negotiated an end to the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in 2012. Biden’s capital gains reform will close the loopholes that allow the super wealthy to avoid taxes on capital gains altogether. The Biden plan will assure those making over $1 million will pay the top rate on capital gains, doubling the capital gains tax rate on the super wealthy.

Plan to Protect and Build on Obamacare | Joe Biden


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What specifically do you disagree with?

Now you are just being cute. You know exactly what you are just making up because you have been called out on it by 3 different posters.

It’s your false comment that:

“I was talking about employer provided health care. There is a decline in employer provided health care benefits and that’s a direct result of the ACA.”

As has been mentioned 3 times with sources the exact opposite is true.

Lies and made up statements will be called out here. Screaming fake news as Trump does won’t help you either.


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Now you are just being cute. You know exactly what you are just making up because you have been called out on it by 3 different posters.

It’s your false comment that:

“I was talking about employer provided health care. There is a decline in employer provided health care benefits and that’s a direct result of the ACA.”

As has been mentioned 3 times with sources the exact opposite is true.

Lies and made up statements will be called out here. Screaming fake news as Trump does won’t help you either.


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That is true and no amount of hacks disputing it can change that.
 
That is true and no amount of hacks disputing it can change that.

As I said screaming “fake news” doesn’t cut it. How did I know you would do that?

You have no source. You just made it up or possibly heard it from Trump.

Give us a source for your claim better than CMS and the other quoted sources.


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As I said screaming “fake news” doesn’t cut it. How did I know you would do that?

You have no source. You just made it up or possibly heard it from Trump.

Give us a source for your claim better than CMS and the other quoted sources.


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Where did I scream “fake news”? Why are masking up
Stuff?
 
Don't they just hate it when facts get in the way of their factless partisan claims? My son's employer got insurance for his employees because of the ACA. He couldn't afford it before.
So how about you giving us sources for your claims? There 3 different sources in recent posts showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Why should anyone believe you?

The ACA has always been like catnip for wingnuts. They made a bunch of bad predictions a decade ago that never came true, have been completely oblivious for ten years that the health system has seen improved performance on virtually every aspect and metric since the ACA passed, and now have willed themselves into believing a bunch of made-up "facts" to salvage their world view. It's really been something to see.

Exhibit A:

That is true and no amount of hacks disputing it can change that.
 
I know that. It also means they set reimbursement rates, coverage, etc.

Medicare would be an appropriate comparison for the public option, for obvious reasons. Per MedPAC's March 2020 Report to Congress:

Medicare beneficiaries’ overall satisfaction with care is higher than satisfaction among privately insured patients In our 2019 telephone survey, a higher share of Medicare beneficiaries reported that they were very or somewhat satisfied with the overall quality of their care (87 percent) compared with those who have private insurance (80 percent) (Table 4-2). Similarly, CMS’s Medicare Current Beneficiary Survey (MCBS) found that, in 2017, 93 percent of Medicare beneficiaries were satisfied or very satisfied with the overall quality of the care they received in the past year.

As it turns out, Medicare beneficiaries are happy with their experience (er, "government run health care"). Were a similar product sold in the marketplaces, it could be quite competitive. And if it wasn't good, well then people wouldn't buy it. The miracle of the market.
 
Have you and PoS not noticed that the rest of the developed world manages to do this at lower cost and with better health outcomes? You do realize you are echoing Reagan's absurdities about Medicare in 1960, don't you? We already have national health insurance, covering (I believe) over 100 million of us, from the free market-like ACA to the commie-like VA.

Here's the conclusion of what Reagan said about Medicare: "If you don’t, this program I promise you, will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow and behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day as Normal Thomas said we will wake to find that we have socialism, and if you don’t do this and I don’t do this, one of these days we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free."

Later on, he suggested that he supported some other plan proposed when he attacked Medicare legislation, and he did mention an alternative, the old "give the money to the states and let them do it" film flam.

This is the way it works: 1- conservatives say the sky is falling when a liberal program is proposed: Social Security, Workers Comp., whatever; 2- they perform a valued service by checking the crazier parts of our liberal ideas that may be part of the legislation; 3- they accept what is passed, but say the next thing proposed will make the sky fall. Wash, rinse, repeat, as the saying goes.

I don't know about PoS, but I haven't. The reason is, it hasn't happened.
 
Have you and PoS not noticed that the rest of the developed world manages to do this at lower cost and with better health outcomes?
Have you been to other parts of the world and see what the truth is? My aunt has to have both private and public HC in Spain, so free for all public HC isnt as cheap or efficient as you think it is. To live on public HC means high taxes to keep it running, and long waits to see specialists.

No one is accusing you of being the republicans doing the spending. But I've not seen much of your complaining the repubs as they do.

Im just keeping the balance, like what Agent Sands was doing in Once Upon a Time in Mexico...
 
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The ACA has always been like catnip for wingnuts. They made a bunch of bad predictions a decade ago that never came true, have been completely oblivious for ten years that the health system has seen improved performance on virtually every aspect and metric since the ACA passed, and now have willed themselves into believing a bunch of made-up "facts" to salvage their world view. It's really been something to see.

Exhibit A:

That was weird.
 
Where did I scream “fake news”? Why are masking up
Stuff?

“That is true and no amount of hacks disputing it can change that.”

The quote from you above is you screaming “fake news” denying the truth with no facts to back you up when you are proved wrong multiple times.


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If Biden's plan were to become law, millions of middle class families would get premium and deductible relief.



Employers are paying for it with your money. That's your compensation, just funneled into health benefits.



Per CMS, when the ACA passed in 2010 167.4 million people had employer-sponsored coverage. By 2018 (the most recent year for which their data is available) that number had grown to 175.2 million.

No, the premiums were cut in half, I still got full bonuses, vacation, salary, and raises, and better coverage to boot. Try again.
 
Have you been to other parts of the world and see what the truth is? My aunt has to have both private and public HC in Spain, so free for all public HC isnt as cheap or efficient as you think it is. To live on public HC means high taxes to keep it running, and long waits to see specialists.



Im just keeping the balance, like what Agent Sands was doing in Once Upon a Time in Mexico...

Oh yeah, in European countries from Scandinavia to Italy people are out demonstrating with signs calling for an end to their healthcare. Here in the US, people are demanding the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid. And any day now, Trump will reveal his health care initiative. Face it, for better or worse, in a generation or so republicans will be outraged at the suggestion that they might weaken the ACA, no longer called Obamacare, and our grandkids reading about this current period will wonder what all the fuss was about.

And of course this will require taxes, much as having a military does.
 
The number of strictly employer provided plans declined.

Why would an employer pat to provide a benefit when government is taxing them to provide a government mandated program?

"The number of strictly employer provided plans declined." Because the baby-boom generation is retiring, moving onto Medicare.

"Why would an employer pat to provide a benefit when government is taxing them to provide a government mandated program?" Because it's a tax-deductible benefit and employers need to compete with each other. A choice between one that offers insure and one that doesn't, is a no-brainer.
 
"The number of strictly employer provided plans declined." Because the baby-boom generation is retiring, moving onto Medicare....

That's part of it, but baby boomers have been retiring for more than a decade. The ACA was enacted with the intent to make more people dependent upon government for thier needs. I don't know why that's so difficult to accept for some.
 
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