Biden to sign executive order on firearm background checks

[hecatmoggie]

In the military you do not need a permit dude.

all of my points were valid - and you skipped them all

why ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

we are talking about long guns....not handguns. I wouldn't use a .22 handgun for anything....that would just piss someone off...but a.22 rifle will kill a coyote or a mountain lion. They are very good for small animal hunting and varmits.

what?

its the same caliber - yes the rifle would reach out farther, but its the same .22 and will kill the same animals (gotta be closer is all)

and, if you break into my house and I fire 10 shots at you with a .22 ............. you're very very likely going to leave

I've always said a .22 has probably killed more game than any caliber ever

 

[ClaraD]

what?

its the same caliber - yes the rifle would reach out farther, but its the same .22 and will kill the same animals (gotta be closer is all)

and, if you break into my house and I fire 10 shots at you with a .22 ............. you're very very likely going to leave

I've always said a .22 has probably killed more game than any caliber ever

If you need 10 shots with a .22 to get someone to leave, you aren't a very good shot. Also, if I want to protect myself....I am not just trying to get them to leave. If you pull a gun, you damn sure better be ready to kill someone. A 9 is better for that. ffs are you really a gun owner with the attitude of I just want to scare them a little?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Guns are tools. If you are using an AR for hunting you are using the wrong tool for the job. There is a better tool for the job.

when hunting wild hogs here in Arkansas, what tool is better then my AR15 ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

If you need 10 shots with a .22 to get someone to leave, you aren't a very good shot. Also, if I want to protect myself....I am not just trying to get them to leave. If you pull a gun, you damn sure better be ready to kill someone. A 9 is better for that.

you can shoot 1 shot if you'd like, that's your choice and for killing a person a 9 is better, I wasn't saying that

I was saying a .22 pistol can be a functional self defense weapon and hunting weapon when you said it wasn't

 

[ClaraD]

you can shoot 1 shot if you'd like, that's your choice and for killing a person a 9 is better, I wasn't saying that

I was saying a .22 pistol can be a functional self defense weapon and hunting weapon when you said it wasn't

I never said it wasn't a good hunting weapon. There are reasons that the .22 rifle and .22 handgun are different. Do you know what the difference is? The .22 isn't a good choice for self-defense. If you want to defend yourself from an intruder, get a gun that is going to stop them with 1 shot.
Now, back to the differences in a .22 rifle and a .22 handgun...yes, the ammo is the same with the exception of one being LR and one not.and you cannot use a .22 LR in a handgun....what is different is velocity...and that makes all of the difference.

 

[ClaraD]

when hunting wild hogs here in Arkansas, what tool is better then my AR15 ?

A 308 Winchester.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I never said it wasn't a good hunting weapon. There are reasons that the .22 rifle and .22 handgun are different. Do you know what the difference is? The .22 isn't a good choice for self-defense. If you want to defend yourself from an intruder, get a gun that is going to stop them with 1 shot.

you said "I wouldn't use a .22 handgun for anything"

I would. I would use my Buckmark for small game, rabbits and squirrels and grouse. I'd use one in self defense and while not ideal by any means if you shoot someone with a .22 or just shoot at them you're going to be defending yourself.

You're simply wrong that a .22 pistol cannot be used for things - they absolutely can

Now, back to the differences in a .22 rifle and a .22 handgun...yes, the ammo is the same with the exception of one being LR and one not.and you cannot use a .22 LR in a handgun....what is different is velocity...and that makes all of the difference.

you can't use the same .22 ammo in a .22 Buckmark pistol that use you use in say a Remington .22 rifle ?

 

[ClaraD]

you said "I wouldn't use a .22 handgun for anything"

I would. I would use my Buckmark for small game, rabbits and squirrels and grouse. I'd use one in self defense and while not ideal by any means if you shoot someone with a .22 or just shoot at them you're going to be defending yourself.

You're simply wrong that a .22 pistol cannot be used for things - they absolutely can



you can't use the same .22 ammo in a .22 Buckmark pistol that use you use in say a Remington .22 rifle ?

If that person has a glock and you have a .22 who will die that day? Chances are, you will. Always assume that the other person is armed with a gun. Also, the .22 rifle is going to be better for shooting small game.

 

[hecatmoggie]

A 308 Winchester.

I don't have a .308 and the recoil doesn't allow me to get multiple shots off as fast if say, I had 8 pigs in front of me in a field

Remember, accuracy matters, not just knock down power and when hunting invasive species, I'd much prefer to kill several of those 8 in the field than just one

So for me, the AR15 is a better rifle

 

[Superfly]

By the way, on a serious note, I am not anti-gun, but I support this idea.

Hell, my 24 year old son just had to go through a major background check to make sure he could referee pee wee hockey games part time. Fingerprints, background check, SafeSport diligence. It didn't kill him to wait.

Same. We own several guns, but I damn sure wouldn’t have had a problem with somebody doing at least a little digging into our background.

 

[hecatmoggie]

If that person has a glock and you have a .22 who will die that day? Chances are, you will. Always assume that the other person is armed with a gun.

chances are yeah, maybe so ... chances are better if I have a .22 than nothing at all

which makes a .22 pistol valuable - and you said "I wouldn't use a .22 handgun for anything"

you're simply wrong and the thing about these pages of bickering you're doing ........... THIS is why we have so many guns and options to choose from. EVERYONE is different in how they shoot and how they choose their weapons.

I'd have no problem using a .22 pistol in many instances

 

[hecatmoggie]

Same. We own several guns, but I damn sure wouldn’t have had a problem with somebody doing at least a little digging into our background.

and just how much impact is that going to have on murderers? I mean truthfully and seriously, its impacting tens of millions of law abiding gun owners .... but how much impact on criminals ?

that's the problem - it focuses on law abiding people NOT criminals ..... good old Democrats

 

[rahl]

Lol.

This is the only quote of mine you posted.

"Guns are tools. If you are using an AR for hunting you are using the wrong tool for the job. There is a better tool for the job."

I realize you disagree. That is not proving it wrong (I know, logic isn't your thing).

I have proven it wrong though. I've shown you which game animals the AR is superior for, and shown you why. But you don't know anything about firearms or hunting, which is why this is going so very badly for you.

My point stands.

Your point remains refuted.

You failed.

Look, we all realize that you are simply trolling.

 

[rahl]

Jeez we've been over this. Any kind of hunting. There is a better tool than the AR.

You've dodged this question every time. What firearm, other than an AR, is better for hog, coyote or prairie dog hunting at distances of 100 yards or greater? Please be specific with caliber, make and model.

 

[ClaraD]

chances are yeah, maybe so ... chances are better if I have a .22 than nothing at all

which makes a .22 pistol valuable - and you said "I wouldn't use a .22 handgun for anything"

you're simply wrong and the thing about these pages of bickering you're doing ........... THIS is why we have so many guns and options to choose from. EVERYONE is different in how they shoot and how they choose their weapons.

I'd have no problem using a .22 pistol in many instances

Why would you only have a .22? I am not simply wrong. I know in Honduras when I lived there for a large part of my adult life that a .22 would get me killed. A 9 wasn't going to be much better, because most criminals that are not low-level criminals have big and powerful weapons...such as a Galil or an Ak 47 or even an M16...or Uzi. Why do you think that the police there have such weapons as well? Even having them, they are often outgunned by street gangs and cartels. I owned a 9mm legally, but we also had an automatic fire weapon that we kept. I wasn't super proficient with it, but I did know how to use it. Getting kidnapped if you are mid to upper class in Honduras is a real threat....home invasions also are a real threat....so is having a gang (including police backup) threatening you for not paying extortion better known as 'impuesto de guerra'

 

[ClaraD]

Same. We own several guns, but I damn sure wouldn’t have had a problem with somebody doing at least a little digging into our background.

Yeah, I don't care either. I submit to both a state and federal background check every time I renew my contractor license. Why would I care that they check it for a gun? They can check away.

 

[ClaraD]

You've dodged this question every time. What firearm, other than an AR, is better for hog, coyote or prairie dog hunting at distances of 100 yards or greater? Please be specific with caliber, make and model.

I answered for you....a 308 Winchester.

 

[rahl]

A 308 Winchester.

a 308 is certainly a great round, but it is not "better" than an AR15 cambered in either 223, or 243. Actually the 243 is the superior round for hog or coyote hunting.

 

[ClaraD]

and just how much impact is that going to have on murderers? I mean truthfully and seriously, its impacting tens of millions of law abiding gun owners .... but how much impact on criminals ?

that's the problem - it focuses on law abiding people NOT criminals ..... good old Democrats

We know that 4 million attempts to purchase by someone not entitled were stopped since the inception of Brady.

 

[rahl]

I answered for you....a 308 Winchester.

to which I replied that is incorrect. It's not "better". It will most certainly get the job done, but not "better" or more efficiently than a 223 or a 243.

 

[ClaraD]

a 308 is certainly a great round, but it is not "better" than an AR15 cambered in either 223, or 243. Actually the 243 is the superior round for hog or coyote hunting.

Long range it is certainly better and more powerful. I am referring simply to wild hogs...I don't know a ton about prairie dogs and I wouldn't want to eat one.

edited to add....a 308 will go 800 yards...a 223 just 500.

 

[rahl]

Long range it is certainly better and more powerful.

You aren't shooting hogs at 500+ yards.

I am referring simply to wild hogs...I don't know a ton about prairie dogs and I wouldn't want to eat one.

The 223 and 243 are better suited rounds for wild hogs, coyotes, and prarie dogs. Less recoil, which allows for more accurate and quicker follow up shots.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Why would you only have a .22? I am not simply wrong. I know in Honduras when I lived there for a large part of my adult life that a .22 would get me killed. A 9 wasn't going to be much better, because most criminals that are not low-level criminals have big and powerful weapons...such as a Galil or an Ak 47 or even an M16...or Uzi. Why do you think that the police there have such weapons as well? Even having them, they are often outgunned by street gangs and cartels. I owned a 9mm legally, but we also had an automatic fire weapon that we kept. I wasn't super proficient with it, but I did know how to use it. Getting kidnapped if you are mid to upper class in Honduras is a real threat....home invasions also are a real threat....so is having a gang (including police backup) threatening you for not paying extortion better known as 'impuesto de guerra'

you lived on military bases?

maybe a .22 is all you have because your other guns are elsewhere, or the Govt took them all because they were "assault rifles" or you're a new shooter and that's what you have or .... who the hell knows, we can create a thousand scenarios

a .22 pistol can be used in self defense and it can kill a lot of animals - you ARE simply wrong

 

[hecatmoggie]

Yeah, I don't care either. I submit to both a state and federal background check every time I renew my contractor license. Why would I care that they check it for a gun? They can check away.

how is checking law abiding citizens doing ANYTHING to stop criminals/murderers ?