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Biden says efforts to restrict transgender rights ‘close to sinful’

Children are not incapable of making rational decisions. The OP starts with a false premise. They are less likely to make one, which is why being transgender is not based off of simply that statement made by a child.

That's an absurd and dangerous statement.
 
He didn't say what you are claiming here. You are being disingenuous at best.

What, will you bully him like anyone who doesn't submit to this nonsensical reality?
 
Are you saying that the Norweigian Healthcare Investigation Board did not, in fact, say that child sex changes are not evidence-based? Are you saying that the UK, Sweden, France, and basically every country except the US/Canada did not, in fact, come to this same conclusion?
Norway allows parents/doctors to perform sex change/intervention surgeries on infants who are intersexed, without any input at all from the child.
 
European health authorities conducted systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. The findings from these reviews—that the certainty of benefits is very low—guided the hand of policymakers there to restrict access to hormones. Currently, minors in these countries can access puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones only if they meet strict eligibility requirements as set out in the Dutch protocol and only in the context of a tightly controlled research setting.


As I’ve explained in past writings, the research from the Dutch clinics is championed even by American proponents of “affirmative” medicine as the gold standard in pediatric gender medicine. These advocates either don’t know or are deliberately misleading the public about the discrepancy between the Dutch protocol and what is actually happening in American clinics. The American approach effectively puts distressed teenagers in the driver’s seat of making risky and irreversible medical decisions. It assumes that “gender identity” is innate and immutable, that some kids are just born “trans” and can know this from as young as toddlerhood. It also uses the “minority stress” model to explain away co-occurring mental-health problems, which appear in roughly three-quarters of patients presenting at pediatric gender clinics.


In effect, once a child declares that he is trans, the role of doctors is to “affirm” that declaration medically. Parents are to consent to treatments or get out of the way. Mental-health professionals are there only to help the child cope with the stress that comes from being in a minority, since, as Turban puts it, “most of society is awful.”
 
Yeah, how dare those LGBT folks live their lives outloud, right?
Living is fine, for everyone. Out loud, in silent, behind closed doors, out in public
How many bills were introduced before the Democrats made it a front and center issue?
Back in the closet where they belong.
I'd rather we all lived our lives behind closed doors to be completely honest.
As long as they stay there, everything is just dandy, right?
Who stays where? Until the Democrats paraded this out in the center, there was no issue.
 
That's an absurd and dangerous statement.
It's not absurd at all. Children are allowed to make decisions for their lives, within their lives all the time. Do children get to decide on their sports, their hobbies, their clothing, their food choices? And this is just talking prepubescent children.
 
This is complete nonsense.

There is a reason why minorities are leaving the Democratic party; it is because of frivolous things like this.

Do you really think it is offensive to use terms like 'pregnant woman' instead of 'pregnant person'

Latinos and Asians are leaving, and soon blacks will flee this tomfoolery.

You really need to stop this crap. I am sick of it. Stop bullying me into denying reality.
Nah.

Eventually the old, crusty folks will just die off.

Do you think the majority of teenagers and 20 something crowd care if someone says “pregnant person” vs. “woman”?

Hint: they don’t.
 
It's not absurd at all. Children are allowed to make decisions for their lives, within their lives all the time. Do children get to decide on their sports, their hobbies, their clothing, their food choices? And this is just talking prepubescent children.
Hey dad I want to play soccer and get my penis cut off.


Yep.....same thing
 
This is complete nonsense.

There is a reason why minorities are leaving the Democratic party; it is because of frivolous things like this.

Do you really think it is offensive to use terms like 'pregnant woman' instead of 'pregnant person'

Latinos and Asians are leaving, and soon blacks will flee this tomfoolery.

You really need to stop this crap. I am sick of it. Stop bullying me into denying reality.
dude, i said it's temporary and it is temporary. all of us are gonna die and then the future generations will fix the problems that were created (like denying rights to gay people/trans people/etc).

if you think that's bullying you then maybe you need a helmet.
 
Living is fine, for everyone. Out loud, in silent, behind closed doors, out in public
How many bills were introduced before the Democrats made it a front and center issue?

I'd rather we all lived our lives behind closed doors to be completely honest.

Who stays where? Until the Democrats paraded this out in the center, there was no issue.

lol this reminds me of the old joke about the law firm that hired a Jewish man to show how diverse they were and then fired him for taking Jewish holidays.
 
Hey dad I want to play soccer and get my penis cut off.


Yep.....same thing
The OP said that children were incapable of making rational decisions. By ignoring the rational decisions that children do in fact make during their childhood, are allowed to make, for some stupid single decision, you are moving goalposts, showing that it is specifically something you definitely don't even know anything about (hint, they don't cut off anyone's penis).
 
This is complete nonsense.

There is a reason why minorities are leaving the Democratic party; it is because of frivolous things like this.

Do you really think it is offensive to use terms like 'pregnant woman' instead of 'pregnant person'

Latinos and Asians are leaving, and soon blacks will flee this tomfoolery.

You really need to stop this crap. I am sick of it. Stop bullying me into denying reality.
not so much "offensive" as watering down the precise ability of the english language into a miasma of PC based junk terms-
with no bedrock definitions
 
The left (which I used to be part of) used to be the party of the people; now they’re just trying to normalize pedophilia and grooming behavior.
Sure doesn't sound like you used to be part of the left. Do you have any examples of "the left" trying to "normalize pedophilia"?
 
The OP said that children were incapable of making rational decisions. By ignoring the rational decisions that children do in fact make during their childhood, are allowed to make, for some stupid single decision, you are moving goalposts, showing that it is specifically something you definitely don't even know anything about (hint, they don't cut off anyone's penis).
You equated trans decisions with picking a sport. Lol

And yes bottom surgery is done on minors
 
European health authorities conducted systematic reviews of evidence for the benefits and risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. The findings from these reviews—that the certainty of benefits is very low—guided the hand of policymakers there to restrict access to hormones. Currently, minors in these countries can access puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones only if they meet strict eligibility requirements as set out in the Dutch protocol and only in the context of a tightly controlled research setting.


As I’ve explained in past writings, the research from the Dutch clinics is championed even by American proponents of “affirmative” medicine as the gold standard in pediatric gender medicine. These advocates either don’t know or are deliberately misleading the public about the discrepancy between the Dutch protocol and what is actually happening in American clinics. The American approach effectively puts distressed teenagers in the driver’s seat of making risky and irreversible medical decisions. It assumes that “gender identity” is innate and immutable, that some kids are just born “trans” and can know this from as young as toddlerhood. It also uses the “minority stress” model to explain away co-occurring mental-health problems, which appear in roughly three-quarters of patients presenting at pediatric gender clinics.


In effect, once a child declares that he is trans, the role of doctors is to “affirm” that declaration medically. Parents are to consent to treatments or get out of the way. Mental-health professionals are there only to help the child cope with the stress that comes from being in a minority, since, as Turban puts it, “most of society is awful.”

This is being used by Republicans to stop healthcare for adult transgenders and prevent transgender children from participating in society through sports and bathroom laws.

Otherwise, these countires are not banning the process altogether, as American laws are doing.
 
Sure doesn't sound like you used to be part of the left. Do you have any examples of "the left" trying to "normalize pedophilia"?

He's part of Qanon now.
 
This is being used by Republicans to stop healthcare for adult transgenders and prevent transgender children from participating in society through sports and bathroom laws.

Otherwise, these countires are not banning the process altogether, as American laws are doing.
They definitely shouldn't be in sports either
 

Margin of victory in governor’s races in Brooklyn’s Chinatowns​


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+15D
0
+15R
2018
2022
Sunset Park
Sunset Park
Bensonhurst
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Sources: New York City Board of Elections; U.S. Census Bureau

By Jason Kao

Its crime worry , not transgender issues that drove these suckers to the GOP.
 
All I do is cite evidence. I support banning it except for clinical trials like the nation that invented this procedure and has the most experience with it

You cited one example and claimed there were numerous - and then avoid the rest of the post you are responding to.
 
OK, to be fair to Biden, he didn't specify exactly *which* of Florida's restrictions he thinks is "sinful." But one of the main ones is banning child sex changes, and Biden did specifically refer to a hypothetical kid in his comments. If he's talking about something else, then he really should clarify this, because it sure sounded like he was saying that banning child sex changes is sinful (and as a corollary, that performing child sex changes is a holy sacrament).

There is zero evidence that child sex changes "gender affirming care" is beneficial to minors, and we should not be mutilating the healthy bodies of people who are too young to consent to that.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...rming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...nce-trans-youth-gender-affirming-medical-care
https://publications.aap.org/pediat...are-and-Support-for?autologincheck=redirected
https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Latest_..._Care_for_Transgender_and_Gender_Diverse.aspx
https://www.ama-assn.org/health-care-advocacy/advocacy-update/march-26-2021-state-advocacy-update
https://www.psychiatry.org/File Lib...Position-Transgender-Gender-Diverse-Youth.pdf
 
You cited one example and claimed there were numerous - and then avoid the rest of the post you are responding to.
I cited several countries. They cite they made their findings based on research
 
Now we're getting somewhere. You really don't give a shit about transgender kids do you?
Let's make this about me


I care deeply for these kids


They are just pawns to you in your political agenda

Collateral damage
 
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