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Biden is turning into a real world leader

rickc said:
This thread is another example of the right wing separate reality

Biden has done a masterful job of uniting the world together to condemn Russian Aggression. He has slowly convinced the dissenters to increase the sanctions. Blocking Russian banks, oligarchs and their families from SWIFT will hurt. More and more countries are adding sanctions.

The steps they are taking will cripple the Russian economy

When those Russian oligarchs find their lifestyle and wealth are threatened they will put pressure on Putin to end it.

Actually he has already lost. Now he has to figure out a way to withdraw with his ego intact. That is when he gets dangerous
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You speak as one who is very wise in these matters Rick, I do agree with your assessment.(y) Well said.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
What the hell are you guys talking about? Trump losing was the worst thing that could have happened for Putin. Had Trump won, he probably wouldn't even have had to fire a rocket to take the country...Trump would have done his level best to convince Zelensky to just give it up for the "good of his people".
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Invasion of Ukraine happened under Bidens watch. Biden, with his own words, accepted that as if it's a minor annoyance and said on national TV, giving his blessing for the invasion of Ukraine.
 
independentusa said:
right wind peo0le have complained about Biden being a weak leader, but he has shown he is the real deal and a world leader. The world behind Biden is dealing with the Russian invasion in the only way it can short of WWIII. Everyone has gotten behind the American president to punish Russia for the invasion and they have gone far beyond anything I thought they would have. Now even other dictators have failed to back Putin's play and Putin's own people in Russia are protesting, even under the threat of retaliation by Puti's run government. All of this has been lead by Biden and his leadership. Trumpsters like to say that Putin would not have done this if trump was in office, and that is the biggest laugh of all. Trump would probably have sent arms to Russia. Trump refused to enforce some of the limited sanctions place on Russia before until the congress forced his hand. I am just glad that Biden has shown the world that the USA can lead when there is a problem and a real leader is at its helm.
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Biden can't even hold an unscripted press conference without speech aide ... and you believe he's a world leader?

What are you smoking?
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Invasion of Ukraine happened under Bidens watch. Biden, with his own words, accepted that as if it's a minor annoyance and said on national TV, giving his blessing for the invasion of Ukraine.
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Again.....what do you propose he SHOULD have done? Unlocked the "football" and let slip the dogs of war? Thats the dumb assed sabre-rattling shit Trump would have done, and then gone on TV to the people who WEREN'T killed and been like, "I didn't see that coming. I gave Vlad a handie and he promised he would be good."
 
switt said:
Yeh, seriously. If the orange man were leading, he would have gotten his Moscow tower and NATO would have paid for it... Genius..
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Well it’s a good thing Trump was never President then. Putin would probably have held Massachusetts within his first year.

Oh, wait.
 
tacomancer said:
No, I just see a different criteria
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Your criteria is lumping them all into a single group, that it pretty clear.
But if you want to quantify the aggregate risk they pose, it would take them closely cooperating, and that isn't realistic in any sense, is it?
Therefore lumping them all into a single group and basing the risk they pose as an aggregate is logically flawed.
 
eohrnberger said:
Your criteria is lumping them all into a single group, that it pretty clear.
But if you want to quantify the aggregate risk they pose, it would take them closely cooperating, and that isn't realistic in any sense, is it?
Therefore lumping them all into a single group and basing the risk they pose as an aggregate is logically flawed.
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Incorrect, the group is “scum”
 
tacomancer said:
Incorrect, the group is “scum”
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You may be right about that aspect of it, but, and keep in mind, eohrnberger and I basically NEVER see eye to eye on anything, he is absolutely right in his dissent with how you came to your conclusion. That said, it doesn't make your actual conclusion wrong either.

Think broken clock here...
 
lemmiwinx said:
Biden basically told Putin the US and NATO would stand down if he only did a limited incursion. Putin took that as a greenlight for a full out invasion.
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As opposed to Trump who basically blocked any kinds of aid to Ukraine at all. I'm sure Putin respected Trump for that. Probably got his dick sucked.
 
tacomancer said:
Incorrect, the group is “scum”
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Call it whatever you will, aggregating those groups into a larger group and then basing the risk they pose on that larger aggregate group is flawed logic, given that those groups won't possibly be able to maintain any sort of cohesion required to realize any actions to pose that aggregated risk.

There's more risk posed by Democratic Socialists of America who are pushing for 'the US withdrawing from NATO & to end the imperialist expansion' (whatever they mean by 'imperialist expansion' :confused: ), not to mention the risks of the other idiotic public policies they purport.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
You may be right about that aspect of it, but, and keep in mind, eohrnberger and I basically NEVER see eye to eye on anything, he is absolutely right in his dissent with how you came to your conclusion. That said, it doesn't make your actual conclusion wrong either.

Think broken clock here...
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I wasn’t trying to compare formalized groups

That was eornburger’s thing
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Invasion of Ukraine happened under Bidens watch. Biden, with his own words, accepted that as if it's a minor annoyance and said on national TV, giving his blessing for the invasion of Ukraine.
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Biden did not "give his blessing for the invasion of Ukraine".

Where do you even get that sh*t?

The insane lies need to stop.
 
eohrnberger said:
Call it whatever you will, aggregating those groups into a larger group and then basing the risk they pose on that larger aggregate group is flawed logic, given that those groups won't possibly be able to maintain any sort of cohesion required to realize any actions to pose that aggregated risk.

There's more risk posed by Democratic Socialists of America who are pushing for 'the US withdrawing from NATO & to end the imperialist expansion' (whatever they mean by 'imperialist expansion' :confused: ), not to mention the risks of the other idiotic public policies they purport.
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I think where we disagree is that thinking formalized groups is a necessary part of the analysis.

The fact is that neonazi and nationalist groups are a documented high priority threat by the FBI

The DSA is an unimportant fringe group.
 
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Grandpappy said:
Commies, why do you think Putin waited until Biden to invade Ukraine? Honest answer now.
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e did not wait. I guess yo uhave never been in the military. It would take the American military months or even a year to get ready to do what the Russians are doing. The logistics is a serious problem. Look at how long it took us to get ready to fight the first gulf war and our military is much , much better than the Russian. They are a conscript military and although they have a few elite units, most of the army is poorly trained. This wa all planned with Putin's belief that Trump woould be in office. Putin actually thought that the GOP was right and that Biden would bend over like Trump has. Well, now Putin is in a pickle that he has few options to get out of and it was Biden's world leadership that put him there.
 
multivita-man said:
As opposed to Trump who basically blocked any kinds of aid to Ukraine at all. I'm sure Putin respected Trump for that. Probably got his dick sucked.
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So all the time Trump denied this aid to Ukraine Putin stood down. Then as almost as soon as Biden takes office Putin starts planning his move. Now it's all up to Ukrainians to save their country. Wish them luck.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
President Biden is shining during a real global crisis, and I approve. Thank goodness we have a sure and steady hand on the tiller right now, this is where all his experience and wisdom is paying off.
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Exactly right. Our options have limits but how great to have someone saneat the wheel? Someone likely to actually consult with others instead of just shooting from the hip with idiotic, ill time comments and actions?
 
tacomancer said:
I wasn’t trying to compare formalized groups

That was eornburger’s thing
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I would disagree. The two quotes which leads into this:
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Probably larger in number than any White Supremacist group, Neo Nazis or others of the same ilk.
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tacomancer said:
Probably true individually but not true if you combine them all
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I'd at least request a clarification on your post above, what you meant, and what you were trying to accomplish with posting such.
Why do you want to 'combine them all'? When it is unrealistic that those groups could combine in common purpose to pose any risk to others?

Realistically, they are, and will forever be, single entity actors, and, as such, pose a much lower risk to others.

This is not to remediate their reputation in anyway. You were quite accurate in calling them all scum. They are. But for the purposes of risk analysis and ranking, combining them is not logical and is not based on either reality nor facts.
 
lemmiwinx said:
So all the time Trump denied this aid to Ukraine Putin stood down. Then as almost as soon as Biden takes office Putin starts planning his move. Now it's all up to Ukrainians to save their country. Wish them luck.
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You are touting this as good foreign policy? It's a good move to deny aid to a country that deserves it, and we can provide it, but by denying it a foreign dictator may not invade. So, deny it? That is about as stupid as you can get.
 
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