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Biden is talking about this guy...

trouble13 said:
They set the standard when they gave Clinton her free pass.
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Gave Clinton a free pass? You mean Republicans?
And you're saying she gets a free pass to share HUMINT, SIGINT and nuclear secrets with our enemies, start a civil war, organize an insurrection?
Pathetic. Keep whining, it's entertaining.
 
trouble13 said:
I have seen video clips of the police holding doors open at the entrance and waving people into the building. How do you feel about the people who peacefully filed in through the door and most likely thought that going inside was perfectly legal,
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Keep defending the insurrectionists.
I had a little bit of respect for you, no doubt more than a few others did as well but the more you run that insurrectionist defending yapper the more it evaporates.
Your argument is one of those fiberglass VW kit cars made up to look like a Ferrari, seems legit from a thousand feet away till you look a little bit closer.

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Peacenik said:
People who are voting with domestic terrorists are condoning domestic terrorism. Terrorists need to be opposed at the ballot box.

Domestic terror needs to be rejected at the ballot box.
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i have no idea who you are talking about... who has fomented domestic terrorism? you mean the riot at the capitol? thats such a small percentage of people who vote for trump it is statistically insignificant, and it was a spontaneous riot, not a evil plan to "overthrow democracy" or "institute terrorism". Ask people who live in the middle east what terrorism is, they'll be glad to tell you. when we have people running in with bombs strapped to themselves, THEN you can worry about real terrorism.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Because @Gateman_Wen is that guy. He decides. You just have to live with his decision and maybe try to move on with your life*.



* This may involve a lot of hugging your legs in the shower while biting your knees and shrieking.
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Most people call me "they". As in "they say that..."
 
Simon W. Moon said:
iirc, I have seen @trouble13 change their mind before
so, yeah
that's def respectable in an online forum
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Sorry I just can't understand anyone intentionally dodging the point as to why the insurrection set a dangerous precedent.
Sure, the riots of Summer 2020 were awful, they damaged the national psyche plenty, a lot of people lost everything they had, a lot of innocent people were harmed.
But all that having been said, there is still no comparison to an organized effort at putting on an armed insurrection to overthrow the government and overturn an election.
And yes, ARMED...the "quick reaction force" was stationed across the river with a cache of thousands of weapons at the ready.
And yes, well organized all the way to the WHITE HOUSE.
And yes, well funded BY people going all the way to the White House.
And yes, supported by AT LEAST 147 members of Congress.

There is no way one can compare it to an urban riot.
To do so further cheapens the value of the Constitution, Congress, elections, the democratic process and the rule of law.
And it says a lot about the people who coddle and defend the insurrectionists.

And the more MAGAs attempt to DOUBLE DOWN and further defend them, the more they look and sound like the participants in the Beer Hall Putsch.
There is no way in Hell the American people are going to allow a second attempt.
The Army may step in but the Army might find they have difficulty keeping up with ordinary armed Americans who have had enough of the MAGAs.
The reason the MAGAs have such an inflated opinion of their prowess is because up till now 95 percent of the rest of this country have kept quiet on social media because
they don't want to lose access thanks to TOS violations, and they don't want to give Trump and his MAGAs more excuses to up the ante.

They're quietly waiting to see if justice will be done, so that they don't HAVE to stand up and put forth a response.
But if justice is not done, a response will be forthcoming, particularly if MAGAs decide that failure of justice means license to do more.
Anyone with a brain knows why MAGAs keep picking soft and weak targets.

It doesn't take much to beat the snot out of a few dozen black costumed pencil necked geeks carrying nothing more than protest signs and it doesn't take much to roll into tiny Lansing, Michigan or Portland Oregon
with a few 4X4's and some cammo.
Let me know when the "MAGA Patriot Force" decides to try some stunts in Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, Baltimore, New York, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Austin, New Orleans,
or Miami. Those fat middle aged ball-less wonders know what would happen to them the moment they tried.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Accept fascist dictatorship.
Believe "The Big Lie". (like YOU do)
Start a civil war.

There's more but I'm not wasting any more time arguing with a sea-lioning Trumper.
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I hope there's "more" for your sake because so far you have not listed anything that's fascist.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Gave Clinton a free pass? You mean Republicans?
And you're saying she gets a free pass to share HUMINT, SIGINT and nuclear secrets with our enemies, start a civil war, organize an insurrection?
Pathetic. Keep whining, it's entertaining.
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The FBI did not allege any of those things as their predicate for their raid of his home. Stick with the facts.
 
Hypothetical said:
thats a damn good question.
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They keep screaming fascism but I dont think they understand what fascism is. It must of tested well and they think if they say it often enough and loud enough it will stick.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Keep defending the insurrectionists.
I had a little bit of respect for you, no doubt more than a few others did as well but the more you run that insurrectionist defending yapper the more it evaporates.
Your argument is one of those fiberglass VW kit cars made up to look like a Ferrari, seems legit from a thousand feet away till you look a little bit closer.

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You feel that way because you lack objectivity on the subject.
 
Queen Margo said:
Biden's goal is not admirable, he is only trying to divide the Republicans. Biden is NO leader!
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Biden is doing a good job as our leader. It was good that he called out the MAGA cult and the danger it represents to America. Republicans are already divided. There are those conservatives who refuse to compromise their morals, such as Liz Cheney, and there is the MAGA cult. The MAGA cult can be broken down into deplorables and those who purposely look the other way and thus enable the deplorables.

It has gone too far. People need to stop looking the other way, stop condoning the deplorables. We cannot erode faith in our elections. We must have a certain amount of faith in our government. We must have faith in America. It is absurd to demand perfection from government, but we have to have faith in our elections. The 2020 election was the most secure ever. And that moral statement came from a Republican.
 
trouble13 said:
They set the standard when they gave Clinton her free pass.
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And that represents a huge sore point for the MAGA cult. They chanted "Lock Her Up!" Trump led them on. He pretended he was going to deliver on that promise, and then nothing. The fact that they have not held Trump accountable for his failure on this is very strong evidence that MAGA is a cult. A cult is typified by a great devotion to a person. Why doesn't the MAGA cult hold Trump responsible for letting Hillary go? He had 4 years to deliver. What a let-down. And they just look the other way as if he can do no wrong.

Just as they look the other way as they vote alongside deplorable people who hate our own government. We have to support our government. If it has issues, and all governments do, it is up to us to correct those. Anti-government is anti-America and anti-Constitution. We don't want to split up America in a civil war. That will never end well. We have to address our issues together. We are stronger together. We have to rediscover our respect for our fellow Americans.

We need to forget about the art of the deal and learn the art of compromise, and the art of true patriotism, including the art of respect for fellow Americans.
 
trouble13 said:
I have seen video clips of the police holding doors open at the entrance and waving people into the building. How do you feel about the people who peacefully filed in through the door and most likely thought that going inside was perfectly legal, and did not participate in any violence but to this day are still sitting in solitary confinement without a bailing hearing waiting to be charged. 20 months and counting now these people have been confined to their cells 23hrs a day. Do you consider that fair treatment? We are talking about hundreds of people.
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Please provide a link to the video(s) of police waving people into the Capitol building. I have not seen any. Thanks.
 
Hypothetical said:
i have no idea who you are talking about... who has fomented domestic terrorism? you mean the riot at the capitol? thats such a small percentage of people who vote for trump it is statistically insignificant, and it was a spontaneous riot, not a evil plan to "overthrow democracy" or "institute terrorism". Ask people who live in the middle east what terrorism is, they'll be glad to tell you. when we have people running in with bombs strapped to themselves, THEN you can worry about real terrorism.
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Domestic terrorism is the number one terror threat to the United States. The January 6th Capitol Attack was planned. Those violent people were encouraged by the MAGA cult voting with them. Denial of this is as dangerous as voting with deplorables and condoning government hatred.

We don't fix government issues by hating government. We do it the old fashioned way by working together and supporting American unity and our common interests. Such as preserving this great nation. Patriots never give up on America. We stand with our fellow Americans.
 
Hypothetical said:
before you spout a bunch of bull, perhaps you better show where the electoral vote was ever close to being overthrown, or our justice system or elections. no one is doing that.. well there may be a few idiots that think their screaming to do that its going to happen, but no one else with a reasonable view of reality thinks so.

one does not have to support Trump in order to be angry at a president who spouts BS about millions of the american population being "violent extremists". You know, what this thread is about... not trump?

we all know millions of americans are not violent extremists and what he said is not true.

he is a jackass.
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All true but you are far too kind to Biden. For all the attacks on Trump during the campaign and during his term as President it seems that the democrats, particularly the progressives, clearly have established a two tier system of ethics, values and even application of law regarding democrats and republicans. If you are a republican you are a victim of this two tier system we keep seeing.
Now we have a President who is taking the attack and the accusations to any American voter who choses to exercise their right to vote if that vote is for the republican party candidate.
 
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